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On November 22 2012 22:11 goodkarma wrote:
I have already briefly discussed my reasoning for Djo. And since reassessing my reads I have seen no reason for removing him.
phagga - Again not a strong read. He fits my selection criteria of a semi-lurker who shows interest in scumhunting and has his own train of thought for how to go about selecting a candidate...
Indeed phagga does not have as much of a track record as I would consider ideal in making a read in a normal game, but for this particular setup he is not being as active as would be ideal for mafia. That was a part of my train of thought in choosing him. Presently the challenge has been differentiating town from scum and that has been harder with the "townhunting" system. This is the system I have devised to increase the chances of picking town this cycle. I am open to hearing other suggestions, but as it currently stands this would be an ideal team for my selection criteria.
So you think the benefits of you knowing (from your perspective) you are town but unable to make strong townreads outweighs the risk that another candidate is not town, but is capable of making strong townreads?
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Please answer me before you go
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On November 22 2012 22:32 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 22:25 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 22:11 goodkarma wrote:
I have already briefly discussed my reasoning for Djo. And since reassessing my reads I have seen no reason for removing him.
phagga - Again not a strong read. He fits my selection criteria of a semi-lurker who shows interest in scumhunting and has his own train of thought for how to go about selecting a candidate...
Indeed phagga does not have as much of a track record as I would consider ideal in making a read in a normal game, but for this particular setup he is not being as active as would be ideal for mafia. That was a part of my train of thought in choosing him. Presently the challenge has been differentiating town from scum and that has been harder with the "townhunting" system. This is the system I have devised to increase the chances of picking town this cycle. I am open to hearing other suggestions, but as it currently stands this would be an ideal team for my selection criteria.
So you think the benefits of you knowing (from your perspective) you are town but unable to make strong townreads outweighs the risk that another candidate is not town, but is capable of making strong townreads? From what I've seen the other candidates have not made strong townreads. Okay, now I'm going to bed...
It doesn't mean they don't have them. At the moment I have a group of about 6 players I would be considering bringing and I'm fairly confident I could bring this down to 3 quite sure town. I would be surprised if this was not the case for syllo/sand/kita.
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On November 22 2012 22:49 syllogism wrote:
Goodkarma your system relies on a very questionable assumption; in every single game it is beneficial for mafia to be proactive and not lurking, yet few ever do. Overall I would characterize as your play and posts as droning and overly explanatory. Unfortunately you appear to show similar characteristics as town and mafia, so I'm not sure if that means anything.
what do you make of Promethelax's play + votes so far?
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yes, I already pointed that out Acro. You're totes old news there.
iamp is on my likely town list, btw.
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On November 22 2012 23:07 Acrofales wrote:
Ugh, I should probably consolidate my thoughts and questions for Kita. He is really puzzling me. Here is the next question:
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Kita: I really need more info if I am to consider you seriously. You are making a lot of sense. To decide between you three, I want all three of you to post your thoughts, answer questions and allow me to make up my mind.
Which is it?
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All my questions have a point, I'm always somewhat spammy, and I never get mislynched.
Why did you even say that?
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Clarity, I get the sense that you don't quite know where you stand in this game, or what you're trying to achieve.
You're latching on to minor points about things and pursuing them quite hard.
What do you think your primary goal of today is?
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On November 22 2012 23:26 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 23:14 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 23:07 Acrofales wrote:
Ugh, I should probably consolidate my thoughts and questions for Kita. He is really puzzling me. Here is the next question:
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Kita: I really need more info if I am to consider you seriously. You are making a lot of sense. To decide between you three, I want all three of you to post your thoughts, answer questions and allow me to make up my mind.
Which is it? Both. His posts make a lot of sense, but his alignment is puzzling me.
You dissected his reads post well enough yourself. Presumably you do not characterise that post as "making a lot of sense", then. Was it just an anomaly?
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On November 22 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
I like questioning people, and I think it works best if it's like a conversation rather than me post a blurb of text followed by a single question, when that method of gets shut down as being called spammy or useless I guess it got me down.
My goal for today is to scumhunt. I think the election thing is important but I don't have to post much for it, just have to find my biggest townread who is running and look at their reads and see if I agree. If I do, that's great, back to scumhunting.
I haven't been as succesful, or I guess felt as succesful, as I did last game. I'll definitely have some reads ready before resolution period though.
I'm just bitter that you get away with playing the way I want to play, but I don't, I guess.
You've played what, 3 games? I have built up credit and reputation that you cannot have, regardless of how good you might be. Plus it implies a mis-characterisation that all short posts/questions are the same, which they are not. Obviously I'm biased, but mine are more useful than yours 
What worries me about the underlined is that you simply sheeped me on to syllo. This is fine in itself as my ego loves to have players sheeping me. But I see little interaction with syllogism after this to either cement or sway away your vote. Given you are voting for syllogism I would expect that you would be more proactive in getting information from him.
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On November 23 2012 00:01 Toadesstern wrote:
goodkarma wasn't even "running" when I did my post earlier. Yeah could have voted him as well but Kita was posting around that time.
This is pretty much a supremely weak reason to vote for someone and you know it.
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Then why are you playing weakly on purpose?
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On November 23 2012 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Since everyone agrees that either Syllo/Sandro is scum AND they can 'mindread' each other, why dont we ask them what they read about each other?
Syllo, what is your read on Sandro and why?
Sandro, what is your read on Syllo and why?
Where does 'everyone' agree on this at all?
sandroba has already quite clearly given his read on syllogism, read his filter.
Acro has asked syllo to expand on his possible scumread on sandroba.
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On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope
I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say?
Why do you want this, Toad?
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On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to?
Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing.
If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on.
Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why.
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On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Show nested quote +Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people.
Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think?
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On November 23 2012 00:34 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:19 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (4): Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, Toadesstern
Goodkarma (2): djodref, goodkarma
Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (5): Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler
Players who have yet to vote (9): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, Adam4167, sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I forgot to unvote. ##unvote: Sandroba
##Vote: goodkarma
risk, what makes you feel so good about goodkarma?
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On November 23 2012 00:38 Dienosore wrote:I hope I haven't committed suicide with this post :X Alright, guys. I've been doing a lot of watching these past 30~ pages or so. I've come up with this aggregate system that isn't based around calling people towny or scum, but rather personal interactions. Using my extraordinary abilities to decipher what people mean rather than what they say, I've drawn out what I think is turning out to be a very interesting relationship map, and here it is: + Show Spoiler +
I wanted more arrows t.t
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I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so.
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On November 23 2012 00:58 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote:
I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so. i would currently oppose this you have not looked super town yet in my eyes. sorry buddy.
just you wait, i'll shout at a bunch of people and then you'll love it.
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