On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote: So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far.
IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1der Acrofales kushm4sta Z-Boson
Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +
On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader:
risk.nuke
that is all.
Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.
I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you.
It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit.
Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread.
Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me.
As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him.
Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him.
@risk.nuke
You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here)
Ok, fair enough.
Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho...
What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town.
TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim...
you think acro faked his copclaim as well?
Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient.
09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim
Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus.
Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real.
I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
Something to consider with the day one vote analysis is that there was a certain point where it seemed pretty likely that Sandroba and Syllo would select each other for their party. At this point, as mafia, I would want to throw my vote on syllo, since it would make it look like I would be voting for a town candidate, while supporting a mafia objective.
Just a heads up, I'll be returning to my normal work schedule this week so no posting from 13:00 GMT (+00:00) to 22:30 GMT (+00:00). I'll try to check in during lunch if I can find some wi-fi.
On November 26 2012 22:16 marvellosity wrote: oh by the way, kita is totes 3rd party, I decided last night before I went to sleep.
His games he plays are an inherent part of his role, and he may get certain rewards for succeeding them Part of his wincon is to be included on a (successful) party
ta-da!
oh god. I swear this happens to me every game.
Arkham City: "Kita, we know that Palmar and Kurumi essentially roleclaimed third party in the thread, but we think you're the batman!"
Aperature: "Oh look, Kita killed 4 scum and presented cases against three others. He has to be third party x20."
Storm: "Kita is obviously a hider, but since he can't possibly be scum, he's a serial killing hider!"
I'm not totes, but I can confirm that the theme of today's game involves throwing beanbags, so Norstein Bekkler is definitely the one targeting me with these abilities. I claimed a shot on Cave day one providing evidence of a role not related to the games.
On November 26 2012 22:27 Acrofales wrote: @Marv: I have no clue. I agree that his guessing games seems to be role-related, rather than someone's action, but fucked if I know that that's alignment indicative. 3P does make some sense, given that he is not very interested in scumhunting. I don't know why he wants to be on a party, though (unless it's in his wincon as you say, but the games and the wincon don't seem to go together).
I presented thoughts on four different individuals on day two. Just because my filter isn't 15 pages doesn't mean I have less content.
Marv is the town hero for presenting a busted case against myself, we have people like nuke and cave who haven't shared thoughts on anyone, and I'm the one not interested in scum hunting?
On November 26 2012 23:13 Promethelax wrote: Kita: name claim please?
No.
I'll admit I haven't been as active yesterday, which is mainly because I don't think the town requires much guidance this cycle. The selection of the first two individuals is pretty straight forward and I don't have a scum read on any of the proposed members, even if I'd rather see myself included.
Could someone walk me through the reason for clarity? I recall that he had some night interaction with Marv's role, but his 17 page filter is too much to go through in my 20 minutes I have.
Too bad we don't get a lynch this cycle. Party selection should be fairly straight forward today if we're able to select a combination of the previous successful parties.
On November 27 2012 11:01 Promethelax wrote: Kita: could you respond to my question about your mini games please. If you think this is someone elses ability why did it not get used last cycle?
Not sure. They could have been roleblocked, used it on Marv, used it on a scumbuddy if it provided a beneficial effect, or used to to produce an effect we aren't aware of.
Right now I'm trying to narrow down the possible suspects who could own this role based on previous roleclaims and roleblocks.
I know the countdown has been linked to Lavos, but I'm not sure if someone has brought this up yet:
If I recall correctly, there is a countdown from 10 during the boss battle with Azala (the reptile queen). This might be the identity of one of the remaining scum characters. When the battle ends, Lavos falls out of the sky. It seems pretty likely that we will end up in the prehistoric cycle next.
On November 27 2012 21:19 syllogism wrote: One has to wonder how whoever is responsible for Kita's guessing game knew that we would have a lynch day 2.
The game was worded so that I had to guess who would be elected or lynched, which is why I tend to think it was a targeted ability and not something built into the game.
Acro's role claim is the most important reveal since my last post so I'll go into this first.
First off, we treat Acro as an anti-town player. He claims to have a different win condition than us and refuses to reveal the details of this win condition. We cannot confirm he is third party. We only know that his alignment was outed by an investigative role and that he felt claiming third party was in his best interest. We don't have confirmation that he actually used a role check on day two. Keep in mind he revealed the role of a player who already had a scum check on him. As a survivalist, there is little reason to attract extra attention. By revealing his investigative role, he only made himself more of a threat to mafia night hits.
On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote: If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop.
I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me.
Have I given you any reason not to trust me?
Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did?
I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them.
You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen.
Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking.
Votes on Acro D2: 0. People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it.
The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?!
Acro explains things well enough here.
He was in no danger of being lynched this cycle. He was in no danger of being lynched next cycle.
So as a third party player, why would he open himself up to two extra cycles of night actions if there is a player that is trying to kill him? Why not claim three cycles from now?
Currently, I feel the town has given Acro far too much leeway with his secrets. He no longer gets to make his own decisions. We get to make them for him.
Acro claims to have been provided a fake claim. He needs to reveal this fake claim now so we confirm it isn't counterclaimed and that no other player is able to use this claim later on.
Acro needs to role claim. If he truly is a third party player who is being targeted by another player, I'm sure they've already put two and two together. Hiding this information isn't going to keep him safe. If he wants to cooperate with town he needs to reveal his role name, his role, and his win conditions. He no longer has the luxury of keeping these things secret after claiming for survival. If he refuses, we should assume he doesn't have town's best interest at heart.
(Please don't shoot me for standing up to you :p )
For the team selection I propose:
Dieno, syllo, clarity, TC
I don't really feel I have to go into reasons for the first three players. Dieno hasn't had a chance for leadership yet and is requesting it, which is why I prefer him as leader over syllo.
TC now has revealed two separate investigative checks that have benefited town. With Acro feeling necessary to claim, we can confirm the legitimacy of his check. I see no reason why someone like phagga or hap should be included over him.
In the event that the mafia has the ability to day vig or exclude one of the players in this group of four players, we should probably have a backup, which should be iamperfection based upon his healing of marv, which hasn't been counterclaimed.
On November 28 2012 12:19 Acrofales wrote: @Kita: when someone non-3P wants me to claim I will still say no. You are at the top of my list of the reasons I didn't fully claim. Like hell I am going to claim.
Of course you won't. Props for even trying to discredit my alignment in your refusal
Lets start simple and reveal the fake claim you were given.
On November 28 2012 12:25 Acrofales wrote: Do you think I'm scum?
I think there is no reason to trust your promise that you have the town's best interest in mind.
Look at me caring. I don't trust that town has my best interest in mind. How about we all look out for ourselves and when town beats Lavos and I survive we can go our own ways. Deal?
On November 28 2012 12:59 kitaman27 wrote: No need to call me names
You get an anti-town check revealed on yourself, you decided to claim survivor and you that we would all be fine and dandy with it?
I guess we just wait to see if the rest of the town shares my views.
Gnight.
WTF ? Are you implying that you have a strong town read on Hopeless ?
Given TC revelation, which we cannot trust at 100% by the way, Hopeless and Acro have different alignments. I you had told me this before Acro declined to be on the party, I would have said Acro 100% town and Hopeless 100% scum. The fact that Acro declined to be in the party shows that he has town interest in mind imo. Anti-town check on Acro ? This is bullshit imo.
Errm not sure what you are saying here. He already claimed that he wasn't town.
On November 29 2012 09:26 Dienosore wrote: I really am ashamed for not officially sending in the party, but at least Keir still made it in there some how. And now we have extra info about phagga and GK
Ty for the save, Djo. I still took a whopping 475 dmg though.
On November 29 2012 09:26 Dienosore wrote: I really am ashamed for not officially sending in the party, but at least Keir still made it in there some how. And now we have extra info about phagga and GK
Ty for the save, Djo. I still took a whopping 475 dmg though.
Today's objectives should be: Lynch the Toad. Come up with a consensus for the second most scummy player. Put 2-3 votes on our alternate in case there is a secret pardon in play. Sort through night actions to come up with the remaining mafia team by process of elimination. Organize our town night actions for once.
On November 29 2012 09:57 Promethelax wrote: How does this effect your reads on Dieno/Acro/GK/Kier?
Dieno is still my favorite of the remaining amphibians. Acro is still anti-town, even if you guys are buying into his friendly-pro-town survivor with a twist story. GK I haven't looked at in ages. I should look into this one. Kier was looking good enough prior to the selection, so a failed event isn't enough to change my mind, but I probably wouldn't want him in another party and will look at him when higher priority individuals are evaluated.
I'll see if I can come up with a short list of bad guys tomorrow. The biggest struggle we face right now is motivating players to produce valuable content, considering we haven't had to give a scum read that means much in 7 days.
On November 29 2012 11:03 Clarity_nl wrote: I think before I go to bed it is fairly safe for me to say this, and this ability benefits from information so:
I have a 1-shot instant ability that returns someone to the state they were in a full cycle ago. This includes health, any status effect and any abilities they had at the time. So if I were to use it on CaveJohnson he would be able to use his 1-shot again, although seeing as toad didn't die that's probably not the best idea.
I hit Cave for 50 damage last night. According to his claim in the thread about his current health, that should have killed him.
Instead, he lives and claims to not have taken any damage. Either he is lying about his health and his ability targeting toad or someone is protecting him from damage. Both point to anti-town.
I think we can definitely put your role to better use at a later time. If the mafia team attempts to focus fire a player and doesn't kill them, it sounds like that could be quite useful. I don't suppose you can use it on a player after they are killed to revive them?
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