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On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.
I actually missed your post saying that you run for leader when reading throught the thread. Perhaps highlight it more next time?
Nevertheless, you will not get my vote.
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K, I'm all for a party with Oats and Dieno. Since Oats has the character matching this time and is willing to listen to input of high profile town players like syllo, I will put my vote on him.
##Vote Oatsmaster
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On November 26 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Phagga's day 2 and 3 have been rather lackluster, his disappearance just now is not encouraging. Also where the hell is Hapa? He's doing that thing he did in mario again (although the scum QT showed he actually was just busy so.... eh)
I am always low on activity on weekends. you can check that in every game, it even says so in my profile.
I did not disappear, i was doing laundry in between.
I'm in the process of updating my notepad list, right now it says Goodkarma is scum. Kita is someone I want to look more into it, as is risk.nuke and iamperfection (on the latter two I don't really have any kind of read atm.)
I don't like the amount of speculation djodref has put forward today as well as his attempt to become party leader. I will look into that.
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On November 25 2012 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
I'd like to hear who everyone in the previous party wants to take with them. I don't trust any of your reads like I trust syllo's ;p
Otherwise I'm open to being party leader, I would take 2 of the previous party with me plus some other awesome townie dude.
Do you still think you would be a good choice as party leader? If so, why are you not pushing it harder?
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Ok, I've updated my read on GK and I would no longer lynch him. When the D2 lynch came to a close, he asked people to consolidate on either sandroba or Toad. He tried to shut down any discussion that would bring in new candidates. considering that Sandro is confirmed scum and Toad is very very likely scum, I don't see the mafia motivation behind is behaviour.
also, the way he acts D3 seems more pro-town than on the first day. All in all, I put GK on null for the moment.
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On November 26 2012 07:29 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:27 phagga wrote:
Ok, I've updated my read on GK and I would no longer lynch him. When the D2 lynch came to a close, he asked people to consolidate on either sandroba or Toad. He tried to shut down any discussion that would bring in new candidates. considering that Sandro is confirmed scum and Toad is very very likely scum, I don't see the mafia motivation behind is behaviour.
also, the way he acts D3 seems more pro-town than on the first day. All in all, I put GK on null for the moment. he tried to get us to consolidate on one of two scum players and you are null on him? I'm confused.
Why? Scum would benefit in this situation when the thread derails/new candidates are brought forths, so I don't see the scum motivation in doing what GK did.
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On November 26 2012 07:34 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:27 phagga wrote:
Ok, I've updated my read on GK and I would no longer lynch him. When the D2 lynch came to a close, he asked people to consolidate on either sandroba or Toad. He tried to shut down any discussion that would bring in new candidates. considering that Sandro is confirmed scum and Toad is very very likely scum, I don't see the mafia motivation behind is behaviour.
also, the way he acts D3 seems more pro-town than on the first day. All in all, I put GK on null for the moment. You are saying that you expected scum to go ahead and try to sway the lynch of another scum with 10+ on them? Nah, I'm pretty sure scum bussed sand hardcore.
Well, now that you mention it, it could be a bus, but I see it as very unlikely. There is a difference between bussing and activily trying to get people to consolidate.
@Prom It's because I'm paranoid and very cautions with townreads.
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On November 26 2012 07:46 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:39 phagga wrote:On November 26 2012 07:34 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 07:27 phagga wrote:
Ok, I've updated my read on GK and I would no longer lynch him. When the D2 lynch came to a close, he asked people to consolidate on either sandroba or Toad. He tried to shut down any discussion that would bring in new candidates. considering that Sandro is confirmed scum and Toad is very very likely scum, I don't see the mafia motivation behind is behaviour.
also, the way he acts D3 seems more pro-town than on the first day. All in all, I put GK on null for the moment. You are saying that you expected scum to go ahead and try to sway the lynch of another scum with 10+ on them? Nah, I'm pretty sure scum bussed sand hardcore. Well, now that you mention it, it could be a bus, but I see it as very unlikely. There is a difference between bussing and activily trying to get people to consolidate. @Prom It's because I'm paranoid and very cautions with townreads. sand had simply too many votes on him not to be a bus. Note, for example, that toad voted for sand.
I'll keep it in mind. However, GK was the fourth to vote Sand and later tried to get people to vote either Sand or Toad. So, no, I still don't think he was scum bussing.
Yeah, well, you make me really doubt this shit now. I need to think about it.
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On November 26 2012 08:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:08 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:02 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:00 Promethelax wrote:
okay, every ten hours If by '10' you mean '12', then yes I'm pretty sure I mean 10. Kita: my role is not one use. There are some restrictions on when it can be used though. Why are you the only guy with a town read on me in this game? what is it you think you see? 9 was at 20:00 forum time for me (or at least, it was said it was supposed to be then) it's now 08:00 forum time. ??
yes, same here. it was 12 hours from 9 to 8.
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On November 26 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:11 Promethelax wrote:
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14? naw i think it was just because daypost or whatever you want to call it was late.
does not work. Day 3 post was at 9.30, but should have been at 09.00 that makes 11 hours for the first circle, 12 for the next. However, IF countdown should have started with the deadline (because it's part of a player ability), we would get the 12 hours.
alas, it's all speculatoin, let's wait for 7, then we will know more.
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On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now. Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads. I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality. Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this.
Wait, I'm not saying Sand was not bussed generally, I just said I doubt that GK was scum bussing Sand.
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On November 26 2012 08:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:25 phagga wrote:On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now. Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads. I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality. Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this. Wait, I'm not saying Sand was not bussed generally, I just said I doubt that GK was scum bussing Sand. why specifically GK? why couldn't he be bussing but others could? i feel like i'm missing something here
Just read the following...
On November 26 2012 07:51 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:46 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 07:39 phagga wrote:On November 26 2012 07:34 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 07:27 phagga wrote:
Ok, I've updated my read on GK and I would no longer lynch him. When the D2 lynch came to a close, he asked people to consolidate on either sandroba or Toad. He tried to shut down any discussion that would bring in new candidates. considering that Sandro is confirmed scum and Toad is very very likely scum, I don't see the mafia motivation behind is behaviour.
also, the way he acts D3 seems more pro-town than on the first day. All in all, I put GK on null for the moment. You are saying that you expected scum to go ahead and try to sway the lynch of another scum with 10+ on them? Nah, I'm pretty sure scum bussed sand hardcore. Well, now that you mention it, it could be a bus, but I see it as very unlikely. There is a difference between bussing and activily trying to get people to consolidate. @Prom It's because I'm paranoid and very cautions with townreads. sand had simply too many votes on him not to be a bus. Note, for example, that toad voted for sand. I'll keep it in mind. However, GK was the fourth to vote Sand and later tried to get people to vote either Sand or Toad. So, no, I still don't think he was scum bussing. Yeah, well, you make me really doubt this shit now. I need to think about it.
tl;dr, i said I doubt GK is scum partially because of his behaviiour before the D2 lynch, z-boson says it could have been a buss, we disagree a bit.
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On November 26 2012 23:34 syllogism wrote:
I've very strong reasons for considering Prom mafia, so how about directing your damage that way. Also you are just plain wrong in saying that whether his role seems ridiculous or not is irrelevant, just like you were yesterday when you were telling everyone how wrong they were about sandroba.
If you are town, how about not arguing against me every single day
Syllo, I've written before about greymists Aperture game where several powerfull town Roles existed. I therefore do not think that power of a role is alignement indicative. You also might want to consider that we may face several scum factions and or 3rd parties, which could balance out strong power roles.
I am aware that your case is not only based on this point, i just wanted to point this out.
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this stuff has been bothering me for a while.
On November 27 2012 01:53 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 00:57 Djodref wrote:On November 27 2012 00:53 Adam4167 wrote:
Why i am posting should be self evident: to stop you from taking unnecessary damage. Was it not your objective to get me posting? Why are you antagonizing me about posting now that I am posting? No, that was the main goal. I was pissed off, like seriously. So, please excuse me for my temper and participate freely. I'm not going to antagonize you anymore. I would like to know who you would like to lynch tomorrow if Toad dies tonight and we have effectively a lynch to use tomorrow. Don't be afraid to fully share your thoughts. If Toad was off the cards for tomorrow, my next scum candidate would be Z-Boson. His case on me was all over the place, which OK, I can understand maybe there was a misunderstanding. But his case on S&B is just non-existent. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote:Btw guys, Strongandbig is likely scum. First of all, this is bullshit: On November 23 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote:
holy shit
this thread
Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform.
marv if you were magically blasted into being a serious candidate would you tell people your picks so they can evaluate whether they agree with your reads or would you do a syllo and keep them secret?
I'm also a little T_T that no one has talked any more about platforms/ideas for "party composition themes" like Sandro had, I do think having been in a successful party is a statistical indicator of townieness and the idea of spreading that out makes sense.
That said, I'm not voting for Sandroba until he actually takes Syllo's case a little bit more seriously - seems like it's a reason people are dropping off his campaign wagon but he really has barely even mentioned it. there's some pretty srs reasoning there. Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times. SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him? The entire proof, his first paragraph: is that no one could have a strong town read on marv. Then he goes on to talk about Marv. Nothing in this paragraph is even about S&B and why he is likely scum. In the second paragraph "SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game", so Z-BosoN has a meta town read on S&B, yet here this case is anyway, pinning him as scum with no logical reasons to support this suspicion. It feels fabricated and fake, trying to create something out of nothing. The rest of his filter consists of pushing sandroba's candidacy on the basis of 'its easy to tell his town play and scum play apart', yet says multiple times he is unfamiliar with sandrobas' meta. Some more of his posts just read as summaries of what is already happening in the game: linklink2This is who I would lynch if Toad was not an option.
Z-boson more than once made accusations based on missrepresented facts. One was his attack on you (Adam), another example is this Post where he attacks theChronicler. I talked to him about it and he answered with this and this.
Then there is this:
On November 24 2012 14:48 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:29 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 14:15 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 14:11 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 14:02 Z-BosoN wrote:@TheChronicleYou keep saying I'm not reading, that people are not reading, that people are stupid, or whatever, but you fail to supply evidence. I've searched your filter yet again and couldn't see where you responded to this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=102#2037At least in a way in which I could recognize it as an attempt. Can you please quote the part where you replied specifically to the post I linked? @Z-BosoNHe has already addressed it. His plan was not based on the fact that people were going to chose other people based on their townreads, but based on "certain reads". So there is no apparent contradiction but it reinforces my conviction that he made this plan to not be elected with. I'm not saying that the plan is necessarily bad, in fact I'm quite interested with his idea, but what I'm sure is that his plan was not well thought through, it doesn't look like he really believes in it and it's was made with the goal to not be elected. This makes zero sense to me. Why would he pick three people if not people based on his own town reads? What the hell do you/him mean by "certain reads". What other reads are there when choosing the "team pickers"? 1) Lol, you have to be scum. There's absolutely no way I can see you as town. I sat here for like five minutes trying to find the contradiction, then I realized this was just so much easier to explain if you/acro were scum together. On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
![[image loading]](http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/837/f64/b8f/resized/da-fuck-meme-generator-da-fuck-297845.jpg) Really, no contradiction? At all? 2) Really? Two people jumping on the same thing and both being equally wrong? I've given a lot of leeway with reading for this, but I can't find anything in my posts that say I would choose town reads. Why try and make something so easily checked like that up? Something so purposefully misleading only has scum motivation. 1) Except I didn't mention a contradiction. I just can't fathom what sort of "reads" you are gonna use if not town reads. refer to point no. 2.
although he wrote earlier:
On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
Really, no contradiction? At all?
he than backs out of it saying:
On November 25 2012 06:52 Z-BosoN wrote:
1) I assumed the contradiction you were referring to was the two-line post you were responding to, not acro's post.
Also, when we were discussing if GK bussed Sandro or not, he asks this question to marv:
On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this.
Which is again extremely poorly worded, because I never said that Sandro was generally not bussed.
So, in short, there are many situations where z-boson claimed something or used ambiguous wording and then had to backtrack because of a misunderstanding. The question is, does that mean anything? could it be scum motivated? Z-boson, what do you say about this?
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If VisceraEyes failes to vote, will he be replaced again?
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On November 27 2012 06:57 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Syllogism (0): goodkarma, CaveJohnson, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, marvellosity, iamperfection, Keirathi, risk.nuke, Oatsmaster
Keirathi (0): Acrofales, goodkarma, Z-BosoN
Marvellosity (0): Hapahauli
Dienosore (2): kitaman27, Adam4167, iamperfection, Clarity_nl, Promethelax
Oatsmaster (17): goodkarma, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, iamperfection, Dienosore, Clarity_nl, phagga, Keirathi, Z-BosoN, marvellosity,Hapahauli, syllogism, djodref, risk.nuke, Adam4167, Oatsmaster, CaveJohnson, stronandbig
Toadesstern (1): Hopeless1der Toadesstern
Let me know if there are any mistakes asap 
I count 18 People on Oatsmaster
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VE and theChronicler have not yet voted.
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On November 27 2012 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
This is ridiculous. I can only imagine how much effort went into creating and hosting this game and some people just don't give a shit.
I completely agree. Specially after some people seemed so excited pregame, I wonder what happened to that.
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Yay Event! No, Marv 
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