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TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 21:21 GMT
#2071
On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him.

How the fuck does that make him scum?

It doesn't? Why read into it like that?
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 21:23 GMT
#2072
On November 24 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote:
Regarding Prom: I have him on my list of people to read and figure out at some point. I definitely don't have a town read on him at the moment, but he is not a high priority either. I am still mainly looking at GK, Kita, Sandro and of course Chronicler.

Have you even responded to anything I've said?
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 21:40 GMT
#2081
On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him.

How the fuck does that make him scum?

It doesn't? Why read into it like that?

You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it?

No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went
1) reason I think he's scum
2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 21:42 GMT
#2084
I'm really interested in how Toad feels about this Sandro lynch.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 21:46 GMT
#2088
On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him.

How the fuck does that make him scum?

It doesn't? Why read into it like that?

You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it?

No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went
1) reason I think he's scum
2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate

you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum?
##Vote: TheChronicler

p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.

You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 21:47 GMT
#2090
Ebwop: cute how all my attackers keep going afk. Can't really hold them accountable since I'm gone for long periods of time, too, but it is annoying.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 21:52 GMT
#2096
Haha, I kind of want to because I think it would shock people, but I'm not going to give out my identity. I chose to smurf for a reason. Please stop asking me to reveal. My defense hasn't been erratic. Where has it been erratic? I think you latched onto Z-Bo's posting and instead of looking at how you were wrong you're clinging to how you could possibly be right.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 21:54 GMT
#2100
Ebwop: and why even say you're having second thoughts? Why should that matter? I don't care about what you say you're doing, I care about what you actually do. Difference in scum and town? Eventually scum has to reveal themselves by what they do. If you're town you shouldn't be worrying about that at all.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 21:59 GMT
#2104
On November 23 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote:
I am free to play, I'm posting more than the average person and I've contributed a lot. Mind you that 2 out of the 3 people syllo took with him I was planning on taking. I gave out a town read on syllo very early on.
As to your question, obviously, since I am town. He has been paranoid about my alignment a lot of times in the past (of the top of my head merc mini mafia and that huge 80 player game), but normally he reaches the correct conclusion soon enough.


On November 24 2012 06:56 Hapahauli wrote:
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On November 24 2012 06:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:
@ nl_clarity

I'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives:

Regarding Sandroba

Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving.


Whaddy'a think?


I understand your argument when it comes to him giving up his campaign, but this can be explained in a couple of different ways. Some scummy some townie, most for either. My point is that his behavior this game has not made sense to me at all until I looked at it from this angle.


Well I think his campaign-actions are more likely townie than the alternatives. Also, I don't think lynching someone for losing interest on D2, especially over the holidays, is a good idea. I really want to see more from Sandroba before I'd consider lynching him.


He says he's free to play. So he's not "losing interest" and it isn't because of the holidays. What more do you want to see from sandroba?
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 22:07 GMT
#2108
On November 24 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him.

How the fuck does that make him scum?

It doesn't? Why read into it like that?

You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it?

No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went
1) reason I think he's scum
2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate

you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum?
##Vote: TheChronicler

p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.

You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me.

You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch.


I don't think it's an unfair suggestion to say that the person with the most votes is the one who is currently thought of as most scummy. I didn't say he's scum because he has votes. I said he was a good candidate because a lot of people find him scummy and you can therefor lynch him. If your problem is that a Sandro lynch seems too easy then you need to say that. Right now you're misrepresenting what I'm saying and I have to wonder why.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 22:23 GMT
#2121
On November 24 2012 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 07:07 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him.

How the fuck does that make him scum?

It doesn't? Why read into it like that?

You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it?

No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went
1) reason I think he's scum
2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate

you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum?
##Vote: TheChronicler

p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.

You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me.

You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch.


I don't think it's an unfair suggestion to say that the person with the most votes is the one who is currently thought of as most scummy. I didn't say he's scum because he has votes. I said he was a good candidate because a lot of people find him scummy and you can therefor lynch him. If your problem is that a Sandro lynch seems too easy then you need to say that. Right now you're misrepresenting what I'm saying and I have to wonder why.

My problem with sandro's lynch is that I don't think he is scum. My problem with your reasoning to lynch him is that they aren't centered around him being scum.


This is a response to clarity as well.

So you guys are saying we should all just vote willy nilly not taking into account who major lynch candidates are? My reason for voting him is that he seems to know too much, in my opinion. I justify further votes on him by saying he's a major lynch candidate.

Onto acro.


On November 24 2012 07:09 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 06:52 TheChronicler wrote:
Haha, I kind of want to because I think it would shock people, but I'm not going to give out my identity. I chose to smurf for a reason. Please stop asking me to reveal. My defense hasn't been erratic. Where has it been erratic? I think you latched onto Z-Bo's posting and instead of looking at how you were wrong you're clinging to how you could possibly be right.

No. Your defense has been erratic, because you are not being logical. You are basically reacting in exactly the opposite way I would expect you to react. I point out a very clear contradiction and you say "there is no contradiction". It's not scummy, it's not townie, it's erratic. If I believe you are honest in not seeing how your behaviour clearly flipflops between two completely different viewpoints, then a lot of the reasons I think you're scum drops away. And THAT is what I am trying to assess by allowing you a chance to give me some meta-information.

Anybody have a clue who this guy is?

In addressing you directly, not that I believe there is much point, I will explain the two contradictions in my own words, rather than through your quotes.

Contradiction 1:
- Your plan calls for town reads, the more the merrier.
- You tell people you don't want them to share town reads.

Reasons for town to do this: their brain is switched off.
Reasons for scum to do this: present a plan! It's the townie thing to do. Stop people from sharing town reads! It's an easy way to look like you're contributing without contributing. Easymode scumcruise under the radar. Whoops, I forgot about my plan.

Contradiction 2:
- Dudes, I have an awesome plan
- Okay guys, I am going to vote for Syllo, because he is doing the OPPOSITE of what I wanted, and what I wanted was bad.
- Dudes, my plan was always awesome!

Reasons for town to do this: their brain is switched off.
Reasons for scum to do this: not well thought-out post-hoc rationalization of an easy sheep vote to blend in. Yes, your vote was a sheep. Say all you like that you were an early adopter, but I absolutely disagree: you came in after Marv and his sheeples were already on there. That vote flew COMPLETELY under the radar, thus the very definition of blending.


Ok, you're going to say there's a contradiction here, but there isn't. You need to think about the game more.

In response to 1.

My plan never called for town reads. Again, there is no contradiction here. My plan called for certain reads, and something I think sylo could have done better was to come in after our success and emphasize how not all his picks were his town reads and that he was really suspicious of one of his picks. I don't actually know why he didn't do that. He's now painted a giant target on all of the group. He's acting like the resources of town are infinite.

In response to 2.

You seem to not understand that someone can place the voices of the many over his own. This is not a contradiction. I think my plan was good, I still think it is. No one else does. As I said earlier, do you want me to continue to harp in the thread posting useless content since no one is going to accept my idea? That's what it looks like you want me to do, and I can't figure out why.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 22:25 GMT
#2123
On November 24 2012 07:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 24 2012 07:17 Dienosore wrote:
Anyone else find it strange that Sandro hasn't actually accused anyone of being scummy? He's done about 10 different town reads, but no mafia reads.


Closest he came to calling someone scummy was me. Please note that even his townreads lack reasoning.

Almost like he knows too much. Shocking...
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TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 22:26 GMT
#2125
On November 24 2012 07:24 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 07:18 syllogism wrote:
On November 24 2012 07:12 Acrofales wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:54 syllogism wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:
@ nl_clarity

I'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives:

Regarding Sandroba

Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving.


Whaddy'a think?

I don't think Sandroba is in the US currently and I believe very few people celebrate thanksgiving in Brazil.

Also some of you people aren't giving my ability to read sandroba nearly enough weight

What does thanksgiving have to do with it? He said he spent all night at a girl's place (not that that explains his absence during the day, but he was largely absent during the D1 as well).

Syllo: is it normal for Sandro to work during the day and play in the evenings/night? Or does he, like me, spend the entire day at work procrastinating by F5ing the thread and poring over filters? If the latter, his absence is indeed weird.

I don't feel comfortable using that kind of meta knowledge against him (ie. knowledge I have obtained due to talking him a lot outside the game). This answer doesn't confirm or deny whether that is true, because I do not know the answer unless I convert time zones and think about it more.

He can disappear for long periods of time even as town, but the case against him isn't that he disappeared even though a lot of people are attempting to portray it as such.


Okay. Do you remember any game where you and Sandro were opposite alignments?

I'm almost 100% certain Marv or someone else answered this.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 22:27 GMT
#2127
On November 24 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ TC

Yes. Consolidating is something you do later in the cycle, not early. We still have plenty of time, so if you are town spending your time finding scummy things that haven't been pointed out yet is way better than sheeping onto someone and thinking you've contributed.


Almost like when I said Sandro knew too much and eKeir latched onto the end of my post trying to make me look scummy then disappeared.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 22:29 GMT
#2128
On November 24 2012 03:12 marvellosity wrote:
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On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.

Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.

Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count.


Haha. I've literally not been able to help myself considering sand/syllo/kita as some sort of superblock and I know that when I've found one of them scummier I've moved another down as less scummy for no reason.

One of the reasons I trusted in my vote in syllo was that sandroba called him definitely townie. Of all the possible alignments of the two of them, the only situation that would be worrying in is a sand/syllo scumteam, which I dismissed internally, for no particularly good reason... yeah.

Acro, syllo was town and sandroba was scum in Liar Game mafia, but it was a PM game so take what you will.

I am disquieted by syllo's lack of thread presence today, and I want kita to show up and answer for himself. sandroba we just gotta wait for atm.


Right here. Sorry about the spam.
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TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 22:32 GMT
#2131
On November 24 2012 07:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 07:27 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ TC

Yes. Consolidating is something you do later in the cycle, not early. We still have plenty of time, so if you are town spending your time finding scummy things that haven't been pointed out yet is way better than sheeping onto someone and thinking you've contributed.


Almost like when I said Sandro knew too much and eKeir latched onto the end of my post trying to make me look scummy then disappeared.


You just told me something, I told you you were wrong, and you immediately agree and use my logic to make yourself look good?

Its me telling you to read my filter and see that I did go read Sandra's filter and point out why I thought he was scummy.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 22:40 GMT
#2134
On November 24 2012 07:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 07:32 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 07:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 24 2012 07:27 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 24 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ TC

Yes. Consolidating is something you do later in the cycle, not early. We still have plenty of time, so if you are town spending your time finding scummy things that haven't been pointed out yet is way better than sheeping onto someone and thinking you've contributed.


Almost like when I said Sandro knew too much and eKeir latched onto the end of my post trying to make me look scummy then disappeared.


You just told me something, I told you you were wrong, and you immediately agree and use my logic to make yourself look good?

Its me telling you to read my filter and see that I did go read Sandra's filter and point out why I thought he was scummy.


That's great. So are you agreeing with me that taking other people's vote into consideration early during the cycle is a bad idea?

Did you even read what I posted, or did Keir tell you to come into the thread and jump on me? I never said anything about consolidation. What is it with this game? Contradictions that don't exist, misrepresentation galore. All I said was that Sandro was a viable candidate.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 23 2012 22:42 GMT
#2136
On November 24 2012 06:47 TheChronicler wrote:
Ebwop: cute how all my attackers keep going afk. Can't really hold them accountable since I'm gone for long periods of time, too, but it is annoying.

Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 24 2012 00:14 GMT
#2157
Is there a reason there's no lines leading away from me? O. Hav to specifically call someone scum? Just trying to make sense of that thing.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 24 2012 00:17 GMT
#2158
Ebwop: Do I

Stupid iPad.
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