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On November 23 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:29 Keirathi wrote:
To win the event, and come out of it with solid reads. Mine too!
Me 3!
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##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such.
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But I want to play setup explorer instead
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On November 23 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this?
I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result
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On November 23 2012 08:00 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this? I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result Does your vote have an influence on your role?
I am not currently aware of any such influence.
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On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote:
In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without. I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern. I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns) Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well. I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). Now to read what I've missed. He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3)
Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one.
My setup exploration was unproductive by the way.
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On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all?
In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all...
+ Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:
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What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:
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What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature 
Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to?
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If it is possible to clarify, if kush wasn't modkilled, he still would have died due to his ability, correct?
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On November 23 2012 09:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hopeless
I don't feel like giving it much research before I hear from some people.
I'm only putting LVII on reference here, because he was much more proactive in looking for scum and giving his reads. Hugeass posts. etc
Yeah, except he was SK in a reasonably normal setup. Its a bad benchmark for looking for town toad.
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EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways
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On November 23 2012 09:41 Keirathi wrote:
Also for clarification: we are still in 600AD, correct?
There were some talk of portals and things in the day post, but I didn't see anything to suggest we changed positions in time. Just want to make certain though.
Check the daypost, time is (always?) posted there
1000AD - Present Day
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@syllogism
Are you willing to explain you choice of keir for your party?
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On November 23 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:51 Adam4167 wrote:On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog.
It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) Having to get two mafia elected onto a team of four to cause a failure hardly seems fair from a balance perspective considering the probable demographic that's being worked with (ie 3x as many town on average). Again, frog gives a bonus to likelyhood of success. So I believe with that in mind it is very much possible.
We don't know that, and skimming dieno's filter, I'm not finding HIM saying that. I'm sure I indirectly suggested 600AD characters are more powerful here, and I think someone else suggested taking dieno for the fact that he was frog/glenn.
Anyways, I`d leave people from the party alone for now, the event was a success.
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Oats, you're lucky I have no new info to speculate with, or I'd derail the shit out of things with setup speculation.
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On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value.
Can you qualify this jab at marv using marv's filter?
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I've read through sand's filter and I'm not content to lynch him today. I would like to see him scumhunt, but he called half the party early in the day
On November 21 2012 17:00 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 15:59 syllogism wrote:
Sandro who do you think is [most likely to be] town so far? I'll do better and give you 2 I have a pretty good town read on: Diodude and oatsmaster. @Djoref I'll try to put in an effort and explain my reads properly when the time comes, but I'm gonna wait a little more before I do that.
'When the time comes' would most likely have been when he was close to being elected leader. However, his activity dropped and we shifted to syllo.
On November 22 2012 17:26 sandroba wrote:
@syllo that was me quickly reading through the thread and answering stuff after going out. I ignored your mafia question because honestly I'm not putting too much thought into it. When I can't acertain the dude is town I pretty much dismiss it till later, since so far we can't really do much about it. I'm kinda hurt that you think there is a >50% chance that I'm mafia. </3
On this, I feel syllo is best suited to legitimately make the case against sandroba today, but given that we wanted a town-party, I don't find his reluctance to give reads that scummy. I don't see big mafia motive behind sand's actions thus far. His proposed party is consistent:
On November 22 2012 17:29 sandroba wrote:
I'll probably be taking oats/die/kush (if he doesnt die).
kush ended up dying and we didn't hear much more from sand on the topic, but the fact remains, he picked 2 members of the party quite early.
On November 22 2012 17:38 sandroba wrote:
@gk from what he claimed marv needs to have less than 30 hp for him to die? Well I'd rather just wait then think about it. It's pretty lucky that I can get those 3 tbh, that would be ideal imo.
This was the only post that jumped out at me as completely useless filler reading through his filter. It doesn't really do anything to further a read, and doesn't really think through the likelyhood of kush dying. It'll stick in the back of my mind, but I don't want to lynch over 1 trivial post and a lack of activity.
I need to go find someone I do want to lynch.
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On November 24 2012 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hopeless, how does predicting the party show his alignment?
It doesn't, but it is definitely not scummy to me. He called out what I presume are two townies (event success) very early. That supposed ability is why he was a candidate in the first place, and he has lived up to that expectation in my eyes. Granted, he gave little in the way of reasoning, and it would be immensely easy to do so as mafia when you know which 'newbies' are town (or at least not mafia), but its still a point in his favor that his most recently proposed party (die/oats/kush) would likely have succeeded as well. (Man, Cyrus and Glenn in the same party? IMBA!)
On November 24 2012 00:56 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 00:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can everyone get over the fact that sand has been inactive and just gave a weird excuse and read his filter and my case, please?
This goes especially for the people sheeping without giving reasons other than him going inactive. Wait, I'm doing that thing where I care more about the method than the result again, aren't I?
A little bit, but I don't think you're wrong to insist we make a goddamn read for ourselves.
Your case on sand shows that he's not trying to win the election. His activity could be to blame for that.
-> He doesn't give strong or informed reads. Withholding reasons for a townread to me is not scummy until those same townreads become scumreads. If he continues to read a player as town, I'm fine with that. If they suddenly change to scum, only then do I feel I deserve to know his entire thought process. As a candidate for party leader, I can see why people would want his reads to be as transparent as possible, but I believe that winning the events is more important and I don't consider his 'not trying' to be scummy.
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On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate
you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum?
##Vote: TheChronicler
p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.
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On November 24 2012 06:43 syllogism wrote:
Speculating about the guessing game ability is pointless at this stage. If it wasn't a one-shot, we should see more and more people getting targeted by it. I don't see why kita would fake claim something like that unless he is mafia, they didn't use the ability n1 and will use it later.
Norstien Bekkler - Show Tent, Millenia Fair /speculation
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On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me.
You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch.
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