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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:26 GMT
#667
Eh. Well then you're going to hate this post. Your case is terrible.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:29 GMT
#671
On November 21 2012 23:27 iamperfection wrote:
also its a null tell because he is well aware of it now. Aren't we clarity?


I like my day 1 play, I see no reason to change it. Marv and zbo both had town reads on me last game.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:34 GMT
#678
Yeah I kinda got hung up on dieno too long. Blows my mind how some people think.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:36 GMT
#683
On November 21 2012 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyone want to say how Clarity acts when he is scum? Djo/iamp/marv?


I thought you didn't care for meta reads.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:44 GMT
#689
On November 21 2012 23:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes, I dont really care but since other people are basically using them, why not ask? It doesnt hurt you if you are town right?
I really suggest you start giving opinions on matters so that the players are able to make a read on you..;


I think dieno is newbie town, I think you are newbie town. Marv seemed sincere in his reasons of why he isn't running.

If I had to pick a party leader at this instant, it would be syllo. But I have not read any of his older games yet so I'm going mostly off of what others are saying.
The reason marv is saying I haven't been as constructive yet has a couple of reasons, but the main one is that this is a bigger game than I'm used to. I'm fine with the activity but the interactions are much more complex as a result.

I think my first 16-24 hours are just me getting my bearings though.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:59 GMT
#696
On November 21 2012 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On November 21 2012 23:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 21 2012 23:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes, I dont really care but since other people are basically using them, why not ask? It doesnt hurt you if you are town right?
I really suggest you start giving opinions on matters so that the players are able to make a read on you..;


I think dieno is newbie town, I think you are newbie town. Marv seemed sincere in his reasons of why he isn't running.


You know when you say things like this, it really makes it hard for me to think that you are town...
You repeated what sandro said earlier without giving any reason on why Dieno and me are town...


Yeah I'm sure it's really hard for you to see me as anything as scum, already.

Do I have to give reasons for dieno town? I "tunneled" him, and he acted like town, be it dumb town.
As for you, you're a new player as far as I'm aware, at least you've mentioned you were multiple times. If you're scum you don't make a case like that early D1 and stick to it after multiple people tell you you're wrong.

You didn't "force" any reads out of me, but somehow you already seem obsessed with me which is bad because I'm town. I gave you reads to silence you and go look somewhere else.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:02 GMT
#698
On November 21 2012 23:51 risk.nuke wrote:
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On November 21 2012 23:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 21 2012 23:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes, I dont really care but since other people are basically using them, why not ask? It doesnt hurt you if you are town right?
I really suggest you start giving opinions on matters so that the players are able to make a read on you..;


I think dieno is newbie town, I think you are newbie town. Marv seemed sincere in his reasons of why he isn't running.

If I had to pick a party leader at this instant, it would be syllo. But I have not read any of his older games yet so I'm going mostly off of what others are saying.
The reason marv is saying I haven't been as constructive yet has a couple of reasons, but the main one is that this is a bigger game than I'm used to. I'm fine with the activity but the interactions are much more complex as a result.

I think my first 16-24 hours are just me getting my bearings though.

What has people been saying in particular that makes you feel confident in syllo?


Mainly marv's opinion maybe an hour or so ago. I think even a scum marv would be truthful about this matter.
Your interaction with him also seems sincere from both sides.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:07 GMT
#700
Goodkarma do you still believe we should be focusing on townhunting until there is a possibility to lynch?
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On November 21 2012 17:16 goodkarma wrote:
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On November 21 2012 17:04 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote:
On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote:
I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected.

Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person).



The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader.

I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting.


Hope that helps.


I see a couple people have questions for me. I'll make a followup post for them within the hour and then I'm calling it a night.

Damnit, I was in bed and checked the thread once more from my phone and had to get up to come back and reply to this because of how vehemently I disagree.

First:
On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
This game employs a Party Election system. Most of the time (in place of the lynch) players will be voting on a “Party Leader”. The party leader will be elected each day the town is faced with an “event” (this will be notified in the daypost).


Notice that it says MOST OF THE TIME there won't be a lynch, implying that there will be a traditional lynch at some point (presumably on non-event days).

Also:

On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions

At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.


Notice the "If all mafia die." How exactly are mafia ever going to die in this game if all we do is townhunt the whole game? I'm going to guess they aren't going to get punished for being selected into the party (and actually, probably rewarded), so they won't be dying from that. So, that only really leaves 1) lynch whenever that's what we do for the day 2) town vigs shooting the scum and 3) third party having some sort of KP

Both 1 and 2 require scumhunting. Also, scumhunting narrows down possible town reads.

Basically I 100% disagree with you that the only thing we should be doing is townhunting.


This is a good catch. I was under the impression that the party minigames would alter the fate of the game, and be our means for outing scum. It would seem there might also be a traditional component as well.

It still, however, doesn't change the fact that whoever we choose it's going to be because we think they're town, and that they will automatically become a high priority for the scum team. We can't be as hesitant to share some town reads + Show Spoiler +
(and I'm not suggesting, to be clear, people provide a full list of reads for every player or any other such nonsense)
as we would be in a traditional game. The game structure inherantly requires us to produce targets for the mafia, and we'll just need to accept that...

I should reword what I said, then, as follows.:

Until such a time where lynching becomes an available option, we should be prioritizing townhunting over scumhunting as we choose our party leader and members.

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:18 GMT
#709
On November 22 2012 00:15 goodkarma wrote:
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On November 22 2012 00:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Goodkarma do you still believe we should be focusing on townhunting until there is a possibility to lynch?
-snip-



At the very least, I believe we should townhunt until we have chosen a party leader. If we argue who is scum, while working towards choosing who is town for our party, I fear we'll get a bit overwhelmed. Scumhunting very well might derail conversations for party selection, and townhunting might derail scumhunting discussions...

I am a strong supporter of establishing scum by process of elimination this game for that reason, and this is the approach I plan on taking as I just discussed in my last post.


What do you think about this: We want to consolidate on who to elect rather quickly, or at least narrow the field significantly.
Once we've done that everyone but the elected person can go scumhunting, people end up finding town when they scumhunt anyway. As long as the elected person is transparent about his reads and choices, we can simply read his analysis rather than have 20 people make their own.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:22 GMT
#712
Can you guys explain why you have such strong town reads on sand? I really don't see it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:38 GMT
#731
Oats now I'm even more curious why you made a case on me, with that comment.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:39 GMT
#732
Nevermind, actually. I should just drop this for now.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:41 GMT
#737
On November 22 2012 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On November 22 2012 00:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats now I'm even more curious why you made a case on me, with that comment.


Sorry, which comment?
Also thread is kinda slow, I like to talk about stuff :D


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On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post...

Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because
He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far.
His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on

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On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.

Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long.


His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern

##Vote: Toadsstern

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:44 GMT
#740
Sure why not. ##Vote: syllogism
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:48 GMT
#742
Yeah that answer was gonna be the only answer you could really have regardless of anything, that's why I said never mind. Dumb question
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:50 GMT
#744
On November 21 2012 18:22 CaveJohnson wrote:
I just woke up to 200 messages in the thread so you are going to have to give me a while to read them.

Don't vote for me

Don't bring me on events (At least not this cycle)

We will need a Medic, Vigilante and probably someone with 999 hp for Lavos so if you can only use your ability once you might want to think about that.

I'll be back in a few hours. I just needed to /confirm


Does it strike anyone else as odd that CaveJohnson mentioned an actual hp number? I've been trying to figure it out, but isn't this either a bad move as town (gives scum information about you) or .... some weird scum ploy that I can't see because I would need more information.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 15:55 GMT
#747
But you, as yourself, have 1 data point when it comes to hp, if you are town. You don't know if it's high, or if it's low, comparatively. Maybe you can deduce by the flavor how high/low on the spectrum you are, but it seems like a weird thing to say.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 16:03 GMT
#754
If I'm scum I already have that info....
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 16:06 GMT
#756
I just needed a second pair of eyes. Syllo is probably right. Are you going to be like this all game oats?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 16:20 GMT
#769
I am sheeping marv. I believe that whether marv is town or scum, the way he plays scum from what I've read is he tries to lie as little as possible. I think consolidating at the moment is important so people can stop focusing on townreads and focus on scumreads, and I don't have time to read 3-4 games of every player that is being nominated if I still want to contribute today.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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