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kitaman27
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Thanks hope.
It seems to me that right now most people are quite content with a sandroba or syllo election. What bothers me is that these players appear to be a package deal. Please correct me if I'm wrong sandro/syllo, but from the sounds of it you guys would be quite satisfied with each others elections and would likely include each other in your party upon election. If either of these players turn out to be a bad apple, the mafia team would have little preference between which of these players was elected. When voting for one of these two players, are you really confident enough that they are both town?
Both of these players have been preaching their abilities to town hunt, but neither has been forthcoming with their party selections. Can anyone explain why I'm being shut out of the voting so far?
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kitaman27
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Acro seems quite favorable in most people's opinion. Is there someone who would like to convince me otherwise?
He could be a possible leader candidate, though I don't recall if that was something he was open to.
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Happy Birthday Prom.
lol Marv, is your only day one objective to ensure I'm not elected? I'm honored.
On November 22 2012 22:46 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.
We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected. You're really hanging this on the assumption that scum doesn't have safe claims. In general, I hate mass claims, because they break the game AND have a large chance to backfire. Who said I was suggesting a mass claim? I'm saying we could use a single name claim, only after we identify that the alignments in this game line up with the alignments in the video game. The mafia likely does have safe claims, but if we select a character at random, the odds are in our favor. The rewards certainly outweigh the risks in my opinion. Just caught this: is there something in your role that seems to indicate that alignments are different from game alignments? I for one have no reason to suspect so.
Balance. If Crono, Lucca, Frog, Marle, etc. could all just claim, one day after the other then the mafia wouldn't be in a position to do anything about it. Fake claims are the alternative.
On November 22 2012 15:31 Adam4167 wrote:Kitaman, I liked what you were saying early yesterday but this post, I do not like: Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 21:42 kitaman27 wrote:
There are quite a few people who claim to be voting for sandroba on the basis that they claim to be able to easily differentiate his scum play from his town play. The only reason I see this as the case is that he commonly gets lazy and stops caring or posting as mafia. However, that's simply due to personal choice. How many people here other than maybe syllo are confidant they can identify a scum sandro when he remains active? Having played with him in pypi (an election game), I know he is quite capable of fooling most people when there is something he wants.
I'm quite puzzled by the fact that marv hasn't run for election. As being one of the most active players recently, I think he would be fairly confident at being able to gain support for himself. As town, I know I want to be the leader because that is the only way to directly increase our chances of success. marv however appears to want to avoid the spotlight and participate in an advising role or at least gauge the support he has. Could you explain this decision?
Work time. I'll try to start identifying some town players when I get back if I'm confident enough. Why are you trying to ward people away from voting for sandroba? You are fear mongering that he 'might' be turning over a new-leaf as scum and as such, shouldn't vote for him on that basis. So far, all that you've done to indicate that you think sandroba is scum is to colour his name in red (along with syllo and marv) with no other explanation. Care to go into detail about why you think he is scum?
Well it wouldn't be a new leaf. I'm saying its something I've seen before playing mafia with him. The reason that I'm bringing it up is that I don't buy into so many people voting for him because he is simply easy to read. I'm not willing to call him scum yet, but I'm willing to say he isn't in my top 10 of people to choose from.
On November 22 2012 23:00 Acrofales wrote:Kita, I don't like your "not taking with me" post at all. Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 11:19 kitaman27 wrote:
iamperfection: His spammy one liners annoy me. I think his post in support of syllo made it look like he decided to vote for syllo and then look for a reason to justify it, rather than the other way around. While I agree that iamperfection is a terrible choice and probably scum, your being annoyed is not a scumtell.
But I'm listing people I don't want on my team. There is a difference between being scum and providing no indication that they are scum. Pushing a policy on him to exclude from teams until he improves the quality of his posts isn't a bad thing.
On November 22 2012 23:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +risk.nuke
Besides the fact that he is probably scum, this jerk taunted me by pretending to be interested in hosting a newbie game and then proceeded to ignore my pms. What a scumbag move. A joke, and a "he's scum", without an explanation. Mind expanding this read. I am so far not getting scumvibes on risk.
He hasn't been support me! It hurts. Deeply.
On November 22 2012 23:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +
strongandbig
His opinions have been pretty vanilla thus far. I don't think his contributions have earned him a spot yet.
Cautiously null. Why single out SnB of all the players you are probably cautiously null on. This just seems weird, and weird things from someone who is otherwise making a lot of sense make me suspicious.
Would you want someone who is null to be on your team? He was chosen in specific in hopes of seeing him improve his contributions. Someone like Bio also could have gone here, but this list really wasn't exhaustive and my second post I felt was more important.
On November 22 2012 23:00 Acrofales wrote:
So all in all, this list is pretty damned weaksauce, which makes me wonder why it is here in the first place. At first my eye slipped over it and I thought, "hah, Kita is posting some good content", but on a doubletake it really is not good content at all.
I myself called this post not very concrete in the intro. I'm not passing it off as good content, rather people I want to see improve if they hope to have any chance of being selected later on.
On November 22 2012 23:07 Acrofales wrote:Ugh, I should probably consolidate my thoughts and questions for Kita. He is really puzzling me. Here is the next question: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 11:31 kitaman27 wrote:
Finally, the Frog role claim may be the most important event that has taken place this game. There needs to be more discussion about it. I'll post my thoughts later tonight.
These thoughts never came... From his selected party, it seems obvious he believes the claim and believes Frog to be town (or a beneficial third party at least). He confirms this opinion (or the claim is the confirmation) with Dino's filter. This is somewhat in contrast to his earlier thoughts, where player characters were suspect until mod confirmation through flips.
Dino was on my list before the Frog claim. Right now the two most likely scenarios are:
1) He is a town Frog, which explains why a newbie has the confidence and desire to be elected
2) Frog was the strongest mafia fake claim and they put it forward to plant a mafia in the party
Right now I'm leaning towards 1, based on the rest of his posts, but that is subject to change.
On November 23 2012 00:18 syllogism wrote:
Yes, I might gain more votes by making my reads public. I would also gain more reads by pretending to be completely confident in my reads; I'm not. I have not finalized my team yet (right now I've 2 whom I'm likely to take and a few possibilities for the third) and may not finalize it until the end. An honest assessment as to why I'm not going to is a combination of considering it optimal play (if I get the votes), being lazy and because sometimes my town reads rely on things other players may find flimsy or the reasons are otherwise difficult to explain (tone, whether the person feels earnest).
If I were mafia, there would be absolutely no reason not to make the list of people I intend to pick public.
I tend to agree that revealing all your picks is subject to mafia influence. I revealed my picks to gauge a town reaction. Just to be clear, if I'm elected I'm not going to bind myself to the three individuals I mentioned earlier, although some or all will likely be included. I'm going to pick the four people that I believe give the best chance of success.
Right now I'm going to be looking at syllo's sudden flip on his read on sandroba. syllo if you could provide more insight that would be helpful.
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kitaman27
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On November 22 2012 16:11 Promethelax wrote:
Kita may not be the best leader but he is better than Syllo/Sand (though I would vote Syllo over sand) and I hate the party you chose. I think that Kita has a chance to be party leader and has a better chance of being town than Sand or Syllo. His town reads also agree with mine.
If I'm not the best leader than why are you voting for me? Who is the best leader in your opinion?
You stated that you trust me based on my selected party, your own inclusion and the fact that I'm not syllo/sandroba. What is your reasoning not suspecting that I'm the mole in the party?
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kitaman27
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Who wants to take the time to verify that Dienosore's arrows are legit and not just random scribbles to maliciously fool us?! :p
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syllo, in the unfortunate event that this becomes an runaway victory I would strongly recommend that you announce your party selections prior to the end of the cycle to gauge town reactions or discuss if there is something that we are seeing that you aren't. You can hide your choices while there is a threat of mafia influence based on the selections, but I'm not comfortable with you going into party selection, picking random player x because he is town with a subpar explanation, and then having the rest of the town frustrated with your decision.
Initially, I was suspicious of your swap of opinion on sandroba considering it would be the easiest way for you to secure a victory, but the timing was consistent with sandroba's drop off, even I think there should have been little reason to trust him to begin with.
That being said, I would be much more satisfied if it wasn't a run away.
Poor kush. Such a shame that Magus, err I mean Marv, is a fatty.
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On November 23 2012 02:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oh, kush modkilled. He completely read his ability wrong too. He basically suicided.
The one good thing is all town people now have two data points when it comes to HP. This needs to be made clear, please read this.The ability is on PERCENTAGE HEALTH. Thus if kush has 600 max HP and I have 50 max HP, kush still dies as we both have 100% HP.
From a town perspective, I'd think you would want it the other way around. Why wouldn't you brush over this fact and let the mafia team think you have tons and tons of hp if you are worried about being hit?
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On November 23 2012 02:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Poor viscera. Another note, I don't think grey would modkill kush unless marv was town.
Lets not read into this. I think its pretty clear grey modkilled kush because he suicided using an ability that had no chance of success.
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On November 23 2012 02:39 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 02:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 23 2012 02:25 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 02:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oh, kush modkilled. He completely read his ability wrong too. He basically suicided.
The one good thing is all town people now have two data points when it comes to HP. This needs to be made clear, please read this.The ability is on PERCENTAGE HEALTH. Thus if kush has 600 max HP and I have 50 max HP, kush still dies as we both have 100% HP. From a town perspective, I'd think you would want it the other way around. Why wouldn't you brush over this fact and let the mafia team think you have tons and tons of hp if you are worried about being hit? I prefer truth over deception to keep myself alive How would you have taken any damage anyways? That post by Kira seems nonsensical.
I think you were misunderstanding what I'm saying. Marv wanted to make it clear that he was alive because kush misunderstood his role, not because he had 600+ hp. I'm saying that I would want the mafia team to think I'm a hard character to take out, rather than make this correction. It's nothing worth discussing any further though.
lol draz, why do you do this to us -_-
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kitaman27
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There are plenty of people who have stated that a player is likely third party. At this point of the game it is quite silly to come to this conclusion. Most of the time it is just a justification made by a mafia player who knows an anti-town player can't be scum.
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On November 23 2012 03:33 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, Turkey Day time. I should be back before the deadline, but I'm not positive. Either way, I'm happy with my vote on syllo, so ta ta.
Don't forget if you have any night actions to send them in with your vote too. 
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On November 23 2012 03:54 Acrofales wrote:
Kita, you still comfortable with Promethelax?
The thing that would make me the most worried is how several players come out of the wood-works to discredit him for questionable reasoning. It could be the mafia team trying to plant their opposition to a scum buddy early, which is the only thing that concerns me. I still have a favorable opinion, but I might have someone in mind to replace him.
On November 23 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote:
Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand.
I disagree syllo. Unless the town finally sees the light and elects me as their dear leader, it seems quite unlikely that you're not going to be elected. Revealing the team provides us reads on whether are not certain players are satisfied with your choices. Our opinions won't force you to change your mind, but it is possible we might point out something you didn't see. I don't see the point of withholding right now.
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kitaman27
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syllo disappearing after securing his election makes me a sad Kita 
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kitaman27
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Well done
I've been targeted with the guessing game.
If I don't properly predict the lynch result within the next 24 hours I am hit with 200 hp of damage. I guess this is one of the ways mafia can damage people? :p
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On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote:
In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without.
I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern.
I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns)
On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well. I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). Now to read what I've missed.
He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3)
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Frog too good.
There is also the 200 conditional dmg on me if you want to count that.
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Just woke up, I'll be grabbing some food and posting in about an hour.
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On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote:
I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle.
Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead
Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD
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On November 24 2012 04:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:19 kitaman27 wrote:On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote:
I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle. Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD On a scale from 1 to 10, how bad for town is it if you take 200 damage?
Lynching the correct person takes priority. I'll live, but I would be that much closer to being able to be picked off.
Unless someone wants to claim using this ability, we should assume its coming from an anti-town source. If we can narrow down our lynch target today, it would be nice to limit what seems to be about 20% of their damage output.
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On November 24 2012 04:28 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:19 kitaman27 wrote:On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote:
I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle. Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD That's pretty annoying. When do you have to send the answer in? It doesn't sound like a mafia ability to me
I have 24 hours from the last day post, so about 4.5 hours.
If its not a mafia ability, then the player responsible should be claiming and explaining why they are targeting me with it. Otherwise, if they are caught with it at a later point then they should be assumed anti-town.
Be back as soon as I can.
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