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And to end my short lived campaign before I go to sleep, I present you with my two strongest towny reads to balance out my previous post.
Oatsmaster:
his team is marv/prome/acro. doesnt know how the mafia kills work. against roleclaims. Seeking out others opinions on sandroba. Getty a pretty heavy towny feel from him since he asked a harmless question scum probably would already know answer to.
Acrofales:
Was first to suggest this was similar to resistance. Would choose Marv/Sandro/Syllo. Doesnt like mass roleclaims because they could backfire (being key word). Asks questions from towny perspective. Read TheChronicler as Towny. Getting a pretty good towny vibe from this guy.
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(last poster i swear lol)
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On November 21 2012 17:55 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 17:34 Dienosore wrote:
In an effort to gain your trust so that I can become the first leader, I have two solid scum reads that I feel need to be shared.
Djodref:
Supports sandroba, though he (weakly) nominated himself. Wants Clarity and Lamp on his team. Has asked a few times to different people what their reads are. Maybe mining for info? Said "I don't think it would be fair for the scum team not being able to kill the party members" Also, put out a hit on a town marv and town Hapa for being dangerous to the mafia. I'd say 80% sure he is scum
goodkarma:
Seems to be in favor of Sandroba for pres, even though he nominated himself for it. wants sandroba and promethelax on his team. Put emphasis on finding townies, not scummies, which could mean he is scum. Asked questions that feel as if they come from mafia perspective (dealing with towny death and kill immunity). Attacks back at Keirathi after he explains that we dont know HOW the scum kills by saying "scum must be able to remove it somehow" Uses distancing language "town" when talking about possible medics. I'm 70% sure he is scum. Seems to be town hunting.
Okay so you explained what both of them are doing but you have not explained why it is scummy. Djo is "mining info" and goodkarma is "town hunting". Both of which are perfectly reasonable ways to play this game as either alignment. Please don't drop random percentages, and stop posting that poster.
It's less what they are doing, and more of HOW. I'm really good at reading language, like what verb tenses they are using or watching for specific pronoun connotations. For both of these guys, it feels very much to me like they are talking from a mafioso perspective, asking questions a scumlord would ask, etc...
That being said, I am not 100% on any of my reads yet and don't really want to throw up any red herrings. All this is only based off of two pages of material. Give me another day or so (assuming these guys keep talking) and I'll have narrowed things down much better.
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Clarity, is there a reason you are so intent on shutting me down after every post I make?
Scared I might find something?
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It's day 1. No one really has any good reads on anyone. What I put forth were feelings from my gut to get the conversation rolling so I could have more material to dissect after people responded to me.
I do find it funny, though, that you assume I want people to take me seriously in a game full of established vets with way more experience than myself 
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I never said day 1 was useless... just that it's nearly impossible to have a perfect read on anyone at this point. And no, I don't expect anyone to actually listen to what I'm saying, especially when there are so many other solid players in the game with us. Maybe once I establish some credibility, sure, but until then I'd imagine I'm going to be generally ignored.
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@phagga: I have a little (tiny) experience with traditional Mafia, although never any themed games like this one and not on TL.net. I am super curious to see how our challenges and whatnot play out since it seems like we will eventually have a ton of options.
@Clarity: No reason for us to continue arguing. You may not agree with my campaign methods, but there is no doubt now people will at least recognize my name when they decide to fill out their ballot ^^
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Before you accuse me of being scum, would you mind revealing your main account, CaveJohnson?
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I'm not trying to accuse anyone with this post or anything, but are you guys even considering that sand may be aware of your meta reads on him and is playing as if he were towny to throw you all off?
Just seems strange so many people are blindly believing him to be towny based on past games
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I would want ME to be the leader, of course. I realize I'm not running with any history, so I understand how that puts me at a disadvantage if you are trying to play it safe. However, I believe not having any track record in this situation is actually better, due to my campaign platform:
All I want is the first leader position. If elected, I will open up the party selection process to everyone by making a poll and taking the top three with me (I know i said two earlier; was an honest mistake). I will also have a poll for what to do for our first action.
I believe this is the best way to go about things, seeing as we have NO IDEA what is going to actually happen at the end of the first cycle. Once we have seen how the game is played, I will step down and let someone else have a turn as leader.
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I italicized 'first' because I wanted to draw attention to the fact that party leaders will be changing quite often and I feel as if people are thinking this is going to be a permanent position.
As for the majority elected team, I think it's more logical to do things this way, at least for the first cycle while we are completely in the dark. I don't view polling the masses as dodging responsibility, but rather taking away the mafias chance to have an iron grip on the initial proceedings (assuming scum is elected and starts a dictatorship). By putting the vote out into the open, we also have another opportunity to see where loyalties lie.
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Hmm, thanks for the responses to my platform, guys. I knew it would be a (likely) possibility for the mafia to push someone into the group when I suggested it. In fact, I was actually counting on a move like that. It's true that we might lose the first challenge and someone might die, but then we would know for sure one of those people are scum. Then we would only have to flip the scope on those three people and root out the villain, and we would have the polling process to help us draw info.
I know the move is risky, but it is a calculated risk. Of course if you have a better way to identify mafia, one that perhaps doesn't potentially sacrifice a towny to draw out scum or one that doesn't include blind reads, I'm all ears.
[On second thought, I think its pretty clear now I don't have any real shot at first leader. However, I would still like my day 1 strategy to be considered by whoever is in that position]
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If I'm such an obvious towny, why haven't y'all expressed it with your votes? There's still enough time to vote me your party leader ^^
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On November 22 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote:
As I was on the way to the supermarket, I thought of something that might be worth considering. I know this is a greymist game and aperture mafia was hardly about aperture at all, but I, at least, am not the goddamned batman or any kind of planar dragon, so from my point of view the theme is more serious this time around.
If you agree that the theme could be serious, consider that the first mission in Chrono Trigger is also in a church. The playable characters are Crono, Lucca and Frog. Of these, I feel Frog is the most important, lorewise, in this mission. I don't think an outright claim is in order, but it might be worth considering, if you're one of these chars, in particular Frog, and running for the campaign, to make a more serious go at becoming the party leader.
Frog, of all the characters, seems like he would wield the most influence in favour of town in the first mission of Chrono Trigger, assuming lore is an important aspect of this game.
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On November 22 2012 08:02 Hopeless1der wrote:Either claim or fuck off with that goddamn poster
My guise doth not incur thy's trust?
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On November 22 2012 08:19 strongandbig wrote:
Hokay so
I just finished reading this massive thread
I also have yet to vote.
I am thus a swing voter and demand pandering.
As far as I can tell, there are three "real" campaigns (real meaning the candidate actually intends to get elected) - Sandroba, Syllogism, and Toad.
All three campaigns are based around the fundamental premise "i'm a vet, i'm town, i have good reads, and i'm self confident enough to take responsibility for my actions."
Unless I've missed something, that's pretty much 100% of syllogism's campaign.
Sandroba has his "get some noobs semi confirmed" thing
Toad says he'll talk a lot
Out of those, I gotta say Sandroba's got the lead on talking points, so I have questions for the other two:
Syllogism, it's been a pretty long time since you started your campaign. You said you weren't going to lock yourself in to your party or whatever early, but do you have anything more for us by now? Or is it 100% that you're running because you know you're town and you're still not sure of Sandroba?
Toad, why do you need to be the party leader to do that stuff you were saying you would do about getting people to talk about reads, and putting yourself under scrutiny so we get a better read on you? Shouldn't you be doing all that anyway, and why is it a campaign point?
Mine name is Glenn...Cyrus' hopes and dreams...and now the Masamune, forthwith I shall slay Magus and restore honor! There is yet time to aid me on my quest. Elect me your party leader!
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Cant believe you guys aren't even considering me for first party leader. Would it help if I made three towny reads and put them all under the scope with me? Fine. Give me a minute to whip something up.
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I hope I haven't committed suicide with this post :X
Alright, guys. I've been doing a lot of watching these past 30~ pages or so. I've come up with this aggregate system that isn't based around calling people towny or scum, but rather personal interactions. Using my extraordinary abilities to decipher what people mean rather than what they say, I've drawn out what I think is turning out to be a very interesting relationship map, and here it is:
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The wiggly lines show hate/distrust, while the straight lines show some sort of companionship. There are a few other types of lines in there that represent different things, but I don't really feel like going into depth about every little mark.
From this, I am able to extrapolate what I see into a larger picture. The only things that really set off flags for me are these:
- Djodref and Goodkarma coming up as strong scumreads.
- Kitaman drawing a lot of attention for little reason.
- CaveJohnson coming up as scummy.
- Iamperfection being indicated in secret relationships with SnB and CaveJohnson.
I've also spotted some sort of mysterious link between Promethelax/Kushm4sta, Promethelax/Kitaman, and Risk.Nuke/Promethelax. I find it hard to think townies would be forming these sort of clandestine connections this early in the game, though it does not necessarily make them scum. There is always the possibility of a third party out there.
Right now, I havn't really made any clear towny reads using this map other than Syllo. Sandroba was clear town for me until Syllo raised some suspicion with his >50% remark.
Another flag is the sudden surge of support for Kitaman27 from people who I've dubbed as suspicious.
What's also interesting is who is not on the map. BioSC caught a bit of negative attention from Iamperfection early on, then sort of disappeared. Not sure what this means.
Alright that's all I have for now. Looking through all my info, it's pretty clear that I'm not going to be first leader, and that's fine with me. I just hope I get in the party and survive the night.
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On November 23 2012 00:49 phagga wrote:
Please elaborate the bolded points. What exactly is it that makes them strong scumread/scummy?
I identified them as mafia very early in the game. Since then, I've been evaluating their interactions with everyone, and they seem to always come up negatively. I can only assume scum because why would a towny act this way? Why else would they garner so much distrust and hate from everyone except for the people I've flagged as possible scum too? I realize there isn't much tangible evidence... however, if you put enough toothpicks together, eventually you will have a house.
On November 23 2012 00:51 Acrofales wrote:
Why do you have the Scum? by my name, yet I don't appear in your scumreads based on this?
If you'll look closely, it says Scum? not Scum. I'm not going to flat out accuse anyone who I'm not entirely sure of. But know my eye is on you, Acro.
Oh and I know you have some secret relation with CaveJohnson.
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Are you mad that you aren't even on my map, Hopeless?
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On November 23 2012 01:17 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 01:06 Dienosore wrote:On November 23 2012 00:51 Acrofales wrote:
Why do you have the Scum? by my name, yet I don't appear in your scumreads based on this? If you'll look closely, it says Scum? not Scum. I'm not going to flat out accuse anyone who I'm not entirely sure of. But know my eye is on you, Acro. Oh and I know you have some secret relation with CaveJohnson. Dude, that's way cool, you found out! CaveJohnson is secretly my daddy. He's not very nice, though, he only gives me lemons to play with. I wish my mommy was here. In all seriousness. Based on what do I have this secret connection. I seem to be missing CaveJohnson's name in all the squiggly lines flying all over the place. And yes, I am trying to take this seriously, but having a really hard time of it. You sure you're not BillMurray smurfing?
Your deflection of my accusation only reaffirms it in my mind. Being linked to CaveJohnson isn't a good thing, as he is looking pretty scummy from more than a couple angles, so maybe it's time for you to lay low if you want to take the heat off yourself (and there is much heat right now).
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