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On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah.
I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question.
Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that.
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On November 22 2012 03:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post...
Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because
He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far.
His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on
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His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern
##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 22:45 syllogism wrote:
Right now it is likely that I will support sandroba if I do not gain the necessary votes, even if I'm not "fairly sure" that he is town. The problem is that just electing someone who is very likely to be town isn't enough as the person has to also be able to identify 3 townies at a high enough probability on day 1. Anyway, currently it would definitely optimal from my point of view that I would be elected over him due to my uncertainty. I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running, but I'm definitely "running" in the sense that I wouldn't mind people voting for me.
Last time I respond to you. You clearly don't read the thread.
He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running.
You clearly don't read the thread
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On November 22 2012 03:38 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:36 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:28 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:
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Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle.
I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo.
So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong.
So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. On November 21 2012 22:45 syllogism wrote:
Right now it is likely that I will support sandroba if I do not gain the necessary votes, even if I'm not "fairly sure" that he is town. The problem is that just electing someone who is very likely to be town isn't enough as the person has to also be able to identify 3 townies at a high enough probability on day 1. Anyway, currently it would definitely optimal from my point of view that I would be elected over him due to my uncertainty. I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running, but I'm definitely "running" in the sense that I wouldn't mind people voting for me.
Last time I respond to you. You clearly don't read the thread. He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running. You clearly don't read the thread Since I'm hoping marv keeps himself in check, Show nested quote +
I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running
If I ran, he'd probably be trying to get votes FROM me onto himself. But I'm not running. Sandroba is running, and syllo is a-okay with people voting sandroba.
Splitting votes is a silly idea in that situation. It would have to take Sand stepping down and you gaining a majority for Syllo to actually run properly.
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On November 22 2012 03:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:41 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 03:36 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:28 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:
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I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking.
However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads.
Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. On November 21 2012 22:45 syllogism wrote:
Right now it is likely that I will support sandroba if I do not gain the necessary votes, even if I'm not "fairly sure" that he is town. The problem is that just electing someone who is very likely to be town isn't enough as the person has to also be able to identify 3 townies at a high enough probability on day 1. Anyway, currently it would definitely optimal from my point of view that I would be elected over him due to my uncertainty. I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running, but I'm definitely "running" in the sense that I wouldn't mind people voting for me.
Last time I respond to you. You clearly don't read the thread. He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running. You clearly don't read the thread Since I'm hoping marv keeps himself in check,
I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running
If I ran, he'd probably be trying to get votes FROM me onto himself. But I'm not running. Sandroba is running, and syllo is a-okay with people voting sandroba. Splitting votes is a silly idea in that situation. It would have to take Sand stepping down and you gaining a majority for Syllo to actually run properly. I meant that if we hypothetically replaced sandroba with myself, syllo would step up his game. Your whole thing about syllo being lazy and scummy is mis-representative of what has been put into the thread because he's not removing himself in general, he's removing competition for sandroba.
I never said he was scummy I just don't believe we should be wasting our votes on someone who doesn't care to put in the effort and should be ignoring him as a viable candidate while Sandroba is in the running.
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Strong you are probably better off doing all those quotes into one post that you do at the end of reading the thread considering the size of this.
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On November 22 2012 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Cavejohnson
While I appreciate the fact that you're trying to "think of the endgame" we don't know what an endgame will look like at all in this format. We don't know how many (if any at all) lynches we'll have. For all we know there is no such thing as lylo. Yet you are suggesting we get rid of people who give off a newb town vibe because they might be a problem later?
Seriously, our win con is defeating Lavos, with a secondary objective of killing scum. How will getting rid of a newb towny help town?
lylo still exists in these two forms:
Either when mafia could out number us
Or we don't have the tools to kill lavos
We don't know what it takes to kill lavos except I presume for firepower. Of course the success of the missions will also impact this. We don't want to have to fight lavos in the ocean palace for example because we failed too many.
I want the newbies to prove themselves like any other but that may not be possible when one false move could easily screw us up on either one of those conditions. This game will be so chaotic that one false move means a loss so we can't afford risks at any point in the game.
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On November 22 2012 05:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why will this game be so chaotic that no one is allowed to make a mistake? You lost me completely.
You say the only definite thing we need for Lavos (endgame, win condition) is firepower. But you think of newb townies as a liability, rather than an asset? Yes of course if they contribute more/better that will help, but do you really believe you're going about this the right way?
Lylo is lynch or lose. It MIGHT not apply to this game. You're talking about reaching a state where town cannot win, there is a difference.
Fail in one event the time line changes we become weaker and the events become harder - one mistake can cause that shift in power. Lets not forget people can send in their night actions at any point when they may not have all the information available to them causing even more issues down the road.
I'm probably approaching newbs the wrong way but hopefully they realise they need to really focus if they want to win in this game.
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On November 22 2012 05:06 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 05:00 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Cavejohnson
While I appreciate the fact that you're trying to "think of the endgame" we don't know what an endgame will look like at all in this format. We don't know how many (if any at all) lynches we'll have. For all we know there is no such thing as lylo. Yet you are suggesting we get rid of people who give off a newb town vibe because they might be a problem later?
Seriously, our win con is defeating Lavos, with a secondary objective of killing scum. How will getting rid of a newb towny help town? lylo still exists in these two forms: Either when mafia could out number us Or we don't have the tools to kill lavos We don't know what it takes to kill lavos except I presume for firepower. Of course the success of the missions will also impact this. We don't want to have to fight lavos in the ocean palace for example because we failed too many. I want the newbies to prove themselves like any other but that may not be possible when one false move could easily screw us up on either one of those conditions. This game will be so chaotic that one false move means a loss so we can't afford risks at any point in the game. Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Setup Information
Mafia: Kill ALL town and have 1 mafia left alive
Does anyone get a feeling of a scum mad hatter from that condition (We could also explore the possibility of an event killing everyone at once I guess)?
Also if scum outnumber town it generally leads to them killing all the town not always I'll admit but its a rule of thumb I'm going to stick with to keep some sanity.
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On November 22 2012 05:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, so walk me through how failing an event will be a newbie's fault. Especially if you know they're newbies.
When all the "vets" are dead with only them alive do you really believe they will have the knowledge and experience to make the correct choice?
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On November 22 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:46 iamperfection wrote:
@ Marv
What do you think of bios town read on you. I think it is bs and it seems like to me it was a pre calculated move to come into the thread with. I dont see how anyone can drop a strong town read and i can see you easily saying that quote in his post regardless of alignment
Bios post also doesn't say much at all just that he doesn't have a problem what is going on.
Im thinking scum Clarity - Cave is still bad or scum or both, and the important thing is that he doesn't get invited on today's event.
Read my first post and pretty much the last page and a bit of discussion...
Anyway I'm gonna sleep I'll probably cast my vote in the morning after I sleep on a few things.
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I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well.
I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef
I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane).
My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have.
Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask).
Now to read what I've missed.
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On November 23 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why you would know your success modifier and why do you think 4 is low? I assume that is a third party claim, what do you claim your win con to be?
I'm town sadly
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On November 23 2012 02:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:52 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 23 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why you would know your success modifier and why do you think 4 is low? I assume that is a third party claim, what do you claim your win con to be? I'm town sadly you didn't answer any of his questions.
Read the OP and maybe you will find I did
as for why 4 is low we have already had several claims in thread mine isn't the lowest but I'm not giving up near immortality for it.
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On November 23 2012 02:56 phagga wrote:
Kush is now on my "never-play-with-him-again"-list.
@CaveJohnson I'm confused, are you Drazerk and your role name is The Chef or is your role name Drazerk?
the former
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On November 23 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
whose claims have we had?
I've seen 3s flying around I can't remember who actually said them but there have been claims
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On November 23 2012 03:04 marvellosity wrote:all that implies is that you're going to help throw the game for town, thus cementing your position as an awful player and humiliating yourself. go ahead.
Stop tunneling and actually think
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On November 23 2012 03:07 phagga wrote:So you claim to have a role that does not fit into the Chrono Trigger lore? Why did you feel the need to claim your role? Would it not have been enough to just claim your real identity?
"I have my reasons"
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On November 23 2012 03:10 marvellosity wrote:
I think we're better off ignoring Cave for now. From the games I've seen him in he plays anti-town regardless of his alignment and he seems to be doing the same here.
When I attack you its anti town - Cool
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On November 23 2012 03:14 syllogism wrote:
I confirmed that nothing in the OP is a lie, including this line
"Each character in the game is assigned a hidden number value"
Drazerk, or whoever you are, if you are somehow town I'm pretty certain that I'm never joining a game with you again.
You are not taking me on missions without me killing you. If I lie I'll lie hopefully we'll catch people from it but apparently you don't understand baits.
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