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On November 23 2012 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Heavily like phagga is scum?
Do you think that his other 2 candidates fit his criteria of semi-lurky and scumhunty? Because thats what I feel is odd.
No, the other two names he put forward don't fit the lurker criteria, at least not in my opinion. Odd yes, something you'll have to ask him.
I don't find anything off about Phagga's play to support your theory though. He looks to be genuinely invested in trying to figure people out, and not afraid to question people to further his read on them (like myself).
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On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:
Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read?
Yeah, my 'don't-give-a-shit' sandroba comment had nothing to do with his level of activity, as I don't consider that to be the issue. What it comes down to is his drive and attitude when he is here.
In this game, he says clarity 'smells funny', later saying that he had him as scum - yet he backs off this read as soon as his reasoning is questioned on the matter, moving him back to 'torn' or undecided.
He does similar in the last game that I played with him when he rolled scum:
Wiggles Mini Mafia II - sandroba filter
He attacks pandain with some shoddy reasoning - 'bad thread entry - didn't further discussion' and Palmar got up in his face. He then backs down from this read with the reasoning of 'pandains' comments on the watcher made him reconsider'.
Now compare that to his town play in looney lynching mafia.
He sees da0ud enter the thread, finds it suspicious, questions him, decides he is still an enigma, questions him again, declares he wants da0ud to progress to further rounds of the lynch mechanic.
Sandroba has conviction when he is town, he wants to figure you out if he cant initially, so he presses with questions. I don't see that from him this game.
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VE and Toad in the same game.... I'm having flashbacks to the game that shall not be mentioned.
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Clarity's most recent scum game (Newbie Mini XXX), he is blatantly scum and id have shot him by his 5th or 6th post.
I do not get that at all from him this game. If he has transformed his scum game to mimic his town game in the space of a couple weeks, without playing scum, ill be very impressed.
I look forward to reading this case.
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Still nothing resembling a case from sandroba with only 6 hours to go before the lynch.
Are you giving up and waiving the white flag? because that's what it feels like.
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On November 25 2012 12:10 Dienosore wrote:
k, if I'm leader, I would take:
Oats
Clarity
Phagga
These might change after I do a bit more digging. So far, though, they are the only ones who my maps indicate as not connected with any suspected scum.
That team is adequate.
Dienosore and Oats were successful on the day 1 mission.
Clarity, as I stated previously, was obviously scum when he rolled scum in Newbie Mini XXX. Looks much closer to his Mario Mini play style, where he was town. Add on top of that, he was sandrobas' attempted mislynch.
Phagga looks just as townie as the last time I mentioned him.
##Vote: Dienosore
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On November 25 2012 12:53 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 12:50 Adam4167 wrote:On November 25 2012 12:10 Dienosore wrote:
k, if I'm leader, I would take:
Oats
Clarity
Phagga
These might change after I do a bit more digging. So far, though, they are the only ones who my maps indicate as not connected with any suspected scum. That team is adequate. Dienosore and Oats were successful on the day 1 mission. Clarity, as I stated previously, was obviously scum when he rolled scum in Newbie Mini XXX. Looks much closer to his Mario Mini play style, where he was town. Add on top of that, he was sandrobas' attempted mislynch. Phagga looks just as townie as the last time I mentioned him. ##Vote: Dienosore I'm a bit skeptical about Phagga, and you haven't mentioned him much in your filter. I'm much more null on him than you are - can you give me the run-down about why he's so townie?
I find him townie because of his attitude towards the game and its what was lacking in sandroba's play. He sees something he considers strange, so he questions the person on it to try and gauge what the persons motives are, and hopefully gain some insight into their alignment. Some examples:
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I find scum rarely do this, as they would rather just pounce on the person without actually giving them a reason to explain their behaviour, just in case the person has a reason for what they're doing, then the scum has to go find someone else to fabricate a case on. This is fake-able as scum, yes, but giving people a chance to explain themselves makes your job much harder.
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EBWOP: That first line on the second paragraph should read:
"I find scum rarely do this, as they would rather just pounce on the person without actually giving them a chance to explain their behavior, ect"
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Right, i'm going to have a shower and then read the new hundred (-_-) or so posts since I fell asleep.
Would anyone like my opinion on anything specific?
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On November 25 2012 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm ok then, thanks acro. Ok gonna stop with the setup/role speculation.
Hey Adam, who do you think should be the party leader this cycle?
As long as both yourself and Dienosore are in the party, I do not care which one of you leads it, as from what I gather you're both committing to the same team.
My vote is on Dienosore, can be moved to you if that is the consensus.
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On November 26 2012 19:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
I find it rather sad that I would vigi shot three people if I could: VE, Adam, CJ
Any reason other than my post count?
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I do exist, I just don't feel the need to comment.
As long as the people I have scum reads on are being lynched and the people i have town reads on are not, I see no reason to interject.
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We've got our team sorted, we've got our lynched lined up for next cycle (as it would be crazy to lynch anyone but toad).
I could probably go another 3 days without posting and not miss a great deal.
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Djodref, as I think you possibly town, I'm going to say: attack me at your peril, It may not end well for you.
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Suit yourself.
I never claimed to not be actively lurking, in fact I think I claimed that I read the thread and choose not to comment, the definition of actively lurking.
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You imply have not contributed, yet I clearly outlined people I had town reads on both day 1 and 3 and gave reasons why and also my prime scum suspect on day 2 detailing why when the lynch was available.
Would you rather I engage in idle setup speculation that is unverifiable?
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Why i am posting should be self evident: to stop you from taking unnecessary damage. Was it not your objective to get me posting? Why are you antagonizing me about posting now that I am posting?
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On November 27 2012 00:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 00:53 Adam4167 wrote:
Why i am posting should be self evident: to stop you from taking unnecessary damage. Was it not your objective to get me posting? Why are you antagonizing me about posting now that I am posting? No, that was the main goal. I was pissed off, like seriously. So, please excuse me for my temper and participate freely. I'm not going to antagonize you anymore. I would like to know who you would like to lynch tomorrow if Toad dies tonight and we have effectively a lynch to use tomorrow. Don't be afraid to fully share your thoughts.
If Toad was off the cards for tomorrow, my next scum candidate would be Z-Boson.
His case on me was all over the place, which OK, I can understand maybe there was a misunderstanding. But his case on S&B is just non-existent.
On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote:Btw guys, Strongandbig is likely scum. First of all, this is bullshit: Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote:
holy shit
this thread
Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform.
marv if you were magically blasted into being a serious candidate would you tell people your picks so they can evaluate whether they agree with your reads or would you do a syllo and keep them secret?
I'm also a little T_T that no one has talked any more about platforms/ideas for "party composition themes" like Sandro had, I do think having been in a successful party is a statistical indicator of townieness and the idea of spreading that out makes sense.
That said, I'm not voting for Sandroba until he actually takes Syllo's case a little bit more seriously - seems like it's a reason people are dropping off his campaign wagon but he really has barely even mentioned it. there's some pretty srs reasoning there. Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times. SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him?
The entire proof, his first paragraph: is that no one could have a strong town read on marv. Then he goes on to talk about Marv. Nothing in this paragraph is even about S&B and why he is likely scum. In the second paragraph "SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game", so Z-BosoN has a meta town read on S&B, yet here this case is anyway, pinning him as scum with no logical reasons to support this suspicion.
It feels fabricated and fake, trying to create something out of nothing.
The rest of his filter consists of pushing sandroba's candidacy on the basis of 'its easy to tell his town play and scum play apart', yet says multiple times he is unfamiliar with sandrobas' meta. Some more of his posts just read as summaries of what is already happening in the game:
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This is who I would lynch if Toad was not an option.
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On November 27 2012 00:35 Toadesstern wrote:
##vote Toadesstern
:3
I don't know why I laughed out loud at this, but I did.
Come on back now, ya hear. Talk to us.
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I like playing with Toad, he makes me laugh.
What could it hurt?
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