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On November 26 2012 07:02 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 06:59 marvellosity wrote:
how you knew / if you were guessing that i visited syllo I was guessing. What I knew was that anyone who targeted Syllo was roleblocked and I chose to present that educated guess as total truth to Sand which lead, i think, to us knowing what ability he was trying to use on Syllo last night since he didn't know how I 'knew' that he targeted Syllo and guessed I might know the ability name too.
What were you trying to achieve in asking me why I'd visited syllo?
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On November 26 2012 07:06 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:04 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 07:02 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 06:59 marvellosity wrote:
how you knew / if you were guessing that i visited syllo I was guessing. What I knew was that anyone who targeted Syllo was roleblocked and I chose to present that educated guess as total truth to Sand which lead, i think, to us knowing what ability he was trying to use on Syllo last night since he didn't know how I 'knew' that he targeted Syllo and guessed I might know the ability name too. What were you trying to achieve in asking me why I'd visited syllo? I don't trust you. I want to learn more (though I don't think that you are scum right now). The more I know the better. Also wanted to make you realize that I was telling the truth about my role.
you thought your distrust of me was worth outing my role?
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On November 26 2012 07:20 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
I'd like to hear who everyone in the previous party wants to take with them. I don't trust any of your reads like I trust syllo's ;p
Otherwise I'm open to being party leader, I would take 2 of the previous party with me plus some other awesome townie dude. Do you still think you would be a good choice as party leader? If so, why are you not pushing it harder?
I'd be fine as party leader, but there seems to be some sort of consensus emerging that I'm happy with so I don't need to push myself forward I don't think.
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On November 26 2012 08:00 Promethelax wrote:
okay, every ten hours
If by '10' you mean '12', then yes
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that's because you don't know what you're talking about, kita <3
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so what do you think of Acro, kita? (the one today who said he didn't want to be in a party)
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On November 26 2012 08:08 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:02 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:00 Promethelax wrote:
okay, every ten hours If by '10' you mean '12', then yes I'm pretty sure I mean 10. Kita: my role is not one use. There are some restrictions on when it can be used though. Why are you the only guy with a town read on me in this game? what is it you think you see?
9 was at 20:00 forum time for me (or at least, it was said it was supposed to be then) it's now 08:00 forum time.
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On November 26 2012 08:11 Promethelax wrote:
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14?
naw i think it was just because daypost or whatever you want to call it was late.
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On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm
naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now.
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On November 26 2012 08:14 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:11 Promethelax wrote:
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14? naw i think it was just because daypost or whatever you want to call it was late. okay. We'll leave it again for another half a day until the next one pops up. Care to comment on anything that isn't pointless right now?
not if you're going to be a dick, no
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On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now.
Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town.
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On November 26 2012 08:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough  I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum. Something to consider with the day one vote analysis is that there was a certain point where it seemed pretty likely that Sandroba and Syllo would select each other for their party. At this point, as mafia, I would want to throw my vote on syllo, since it would make it look like I would be voting for a town candidate, while supporting a mafia objective.
kita, I'm not sure how true this is. syllogism pretty much opened saying that he'd prefer to be lazy with standing for party leader and let sand do it.
But in practically his next post he starts having a go at sandroba for not wanting to scumhunt day 1. Also syllo never suggested sand would be in his party. I think actually from quite early on that the likelihood of syllo selecting sand in his party was actually pretty low.
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On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now. Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads. I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality. Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this.
I imagine there were mafia both on and off his wagon
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On November 26 2012 08:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
marv, do you find z-bo's response to my post to be overly defensive? I called him scum by association due to his vote, and he basically tells me I'm lying.
well, if z-bo was actually voting syllo, you would be lying, whether you meant to or not
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On November 26 2012 08:25 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now. Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads. I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality. Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this. Wait, I'm not saying Sand was not bussed generally, I just said I doubt that GK was scum bussing Sand.
why specifically GK? why couldn't he be bussing but others could? i feel like i'm missing something here
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On November 26 2012 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now. Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads. I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality. Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this. What does that mean, all people on sand are confirmed town? I don't see where you're going with this. There's no way to know, yeah some scum probably bussed him and some probably didn't No. If you read the last page or two, I said I feel that sand was most likely bussed (ergo, toad). Phagga is giving gk a town read based on the fact that he didn't want people to vote for anyone other than sand or toad, and I'm not sure I agree with this logic.
yes, the logic is nonsense, because sand was probably going down pretty hard, so you could pretty much include your entire team as the other options if you wanted because it doesn't really matter
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on a sidenote, VE has done some serious disappearing.
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On November 26 2012 08:37 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. Hopeless (as town or scum) should know that his play style makes him look scummy. What he has done should make us (as a town) look into him. So no, the logic is sound to include himself as possible scum there. If he is town he knows that all he did was play badly but that bad play probably doesn't excuse all the people who played that badly. Yeah, not sure what the deal is with VE. Marv, you know him better than I do, does vanishing fit either of his metas?
Not really. In the last couple of months he's had the habit of doing this more often. I know he's had TL issues at work, which makes it all the more surprising to me he's not making the most of a Sunday to contribute. He was very eager to join this game and now he's not playing it. I should add VE quite enjoys playing scum, so meh. It's just weird that he's not here to play at all.
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On November 26 2012 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:30 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now. Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads. I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality. Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this. What does that mean, all people on sand are confirmed town? I don't see where you're going with this. There's no way to know, yeah some scum probably bussed him and some probably didn't No. If you read the last page or two, I said I feel that sand was most likely bussed (ergo, toad). Phagga is giving gk a town read based on the fact that he didn't want people to vote for anyone other than sand or toad, and I'm not sure I agree with this logic. Scum most likely bussed Sand, therefore toad is scum.... There are a lot of reasons Toad is probably scum right now, but that is probably not one of them. As for Phagga's analysis on GK, he basically called him null by the end of it so.... don't read too much into it. Clarity you are not understanding a thing I say. Sand was bussed. Evidence of this is the fact that Toad, who is almost confirmed scum, voted for him. My point is I don't see what you're getting at, like at all. You asked marv is sand was bussed and he said "probably by some" So what's your point? You are pissing me off. Read the last three pages, ffs. I'm having issues with phagga's town read on GK, in which he implies that it's unlikely scum bussed sand in the way that a scum gk would have done, to which I disagree.
yeah generally you two need to stop arguing about it because you're probably on the same page really
the nub of it is that phagga is saying that given toad is very likely to be scum too, GK would be unlikely to be trying to make the vote between sand and toad, although I don't necessarily subscribe to this for the reason I said somewhat earlier (it was likely sandroba was going to die, so it's an easy opportunity just to bus other team-mates casually)
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