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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 13:27 GMT
#3047
yeah, and i don't even agree it would have been the most likely scenario. so enough.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 13:51 GMT
#3060
On November 25 2012 22:44 syllogism wrote:
Risk what do you think about Prom


what was it about his claimed ability that made you think it was mafia?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 14:45 GMT
#3076
On November 25 2012 23:34 risk.nuke wrote:
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On November 25 2012 22:49 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 25 2012 22:44 syllogism wrote:
Risk what do you think about Prom

I'll look him over now.


Regarding his claim. (If I understand correctly "everyone who targets his target is roleblocked") He immediately assumes Sandroba targeted Syllogism disregarding other reasons for why Sandroba could had been roleblocked. Seems fishy because Sandroba seemed like a very reasonable target for town roleblockers.



So was Prome also 'guessing' that I had targeted syllogism then?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 15:28 GMT
#3096
On November 26 2012 00:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 25 2012 07:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv if something happens tonight other than you taking damage please do not share that fact, I might rely on it later.

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On November 25 2012 21:31 marvellosity wrote:
On November 25 2012 15:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
I took 30 damage, same as Djo. And we both took 20 damage last night. I'm willling to guess we'll take 40 damage tonight.
Anyway, marv I'm guessing you only got notified of any damage you took?



Catching up on the thread atm. I took no damage last night, but I was healed.


Dicks.


:/ if you were trying to be sneaky, it went totally over my head. Sorry man :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 15:38 GMT
#3103
I really really want to know why Acro doesn't want to be in the party.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 17:14 GMT
#3137
Djodref, it's likely with the way HP works that mafia would be able to go no kills near the start, and multiple kills as the game goes on.

I did have a townish read on Acro until his not wanting to be in the party shenannies.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 17:19 GMT
#3140
On November 26 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Sadly people never listen to me and always end up being scolded for it in the postgame. Especially setup speculation which along with actionbehaviour is my backyard.


I always listen to you, I just don't let anyone know. Shh!

On a serious matter, if you think Chronicledude is town and telling the truth, why don't you think Toad is necessarily scum?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 17:21 GMT
#3143
On November 26 2012 02:20 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 26 2012 02:18 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:14 marvellosity wrote:
Djodref, it's likely with the way HP works that mafia would be able to go no kills near the start, and multiple kills as the game goes on.

I did have a townish read on Acro until his not wanting to be in the party shenannies.


@marv

When I look as my table with the different damage claims for today, I could say that the mafia went for a Dieno kill.
Could you help me to assess iamp alignment ?

iamp isn't acting anything like his town meta, and I agree with you that no rational town player would have healed him. But its possible there are other explanations, so it doesn't damn him to being scum.


I'd say he was acting a bit closer to his town meta than scum meta, but I'm quite unsure.

If iamp is scum I'm not sure why he'd claim to being healed as it was surely bound to raise question marks over why anyone would heal him.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 17:31 GMT
#3148
Then explain TheChronicler's check?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 17:37 GMT
#3151
yeah, what Hopeless quoted. Unless it's a misunderstanding.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 18:00 GMT
#3170
On November 26 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them.


He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering)

He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day.


My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle.

Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership?


I agree with you absolutely that it's a weird check.

However, people often handle their roles in extremely weird, and blatantly suboptimal, ways.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 18:07 GMT
#3175
On November 26 2012 03:06 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them.


He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering)

He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day.


My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle.

Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership?


I agree with you absolutely that it's a weird check.

However, people often handle their roles in extremely weird, and blatantly suboptimal, ways.


Let me be devils advocate for a minute. Is it possible he just had a feeling about Toad and since it looked like Sandro would be lynched the following day it would be an easy way to check out Toad?

Yes, it's possible.

But, imagine for a minute that you are a Parity Cop. You check two people, and your result tells you that they are the same alignment. Even for mildly suspicious people, its a stretch to believe that you investigated two scum. The most likely (probability wise) explanation is that you checked two townies.


Don't think like that. You don't check two people based on a probability approach. If you're investigating them because you find them both suspicious then you'd quite happily believe they were both scum.

Regardless, I don't see much point talking about it that much anymore because we're not inside TC's head.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 18:09 GMT
#3178
yeah, I have no idea about the Popcorn :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 18:15 GMT
#3183
by the way, sand's bussing ability doesn't bus damage, only DT/tracker/watcher stuff.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 18:25 GMT
#3191
On November 26 2012 03:21 syllogism wrote:
I think those may potentially affect mission success, but in the end best and most likely design is based primarily on mafia being included in the team. I do not think a mission can fail if there is no mafia included; that kind of hidden mechanics are simply not fun. The only possible, and still unfun, exception I can see would be some kind of one-shot mafia ability, but I think they would have used that on n1.

In fact, I think the speculation revolving around whether we should include claimed characters or players with matching time period flavor is also misguided (dienosore and oats should be included because they were on a successful day 1 mission, although the roles do not hurt).

So, in short, ignore hp/roles, unless the claims themselves make someone more likely to be town.


Out of interest, any reason you advocate those 2 rather than yourself?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 18:44 GMT
#3203
The probability of syllo picking 3 townies on day 1 is very high.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 21:41 GMT
#3236
i'm quite happy with an oats/dieno/me/clarity team

Apart from anything else I can't see Clarity playing silly buggers with me as mafia, it makes no sense.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 21:55 GMT
#3240
On November 26 2012 06:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 26 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
i'm quite happy with an oats/dieno/me/clarity team

Apart from anything else I can't see Clarity playing silly buggers with me as mafia, it makes no sense.


What's that mean? You silly british person.


It's my fucking language

in this case, just "playing silly games" would work fine too. As in, if you're scum and cryptically asking me things and healing me it would make zero sense at all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 21:56 GMT
#3241
Prome, don't ask silly questions, I might have to start shouting at you.

Just tell me from your perspective, it's super easy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 21:59 GMT
#3243
how you knew / if you were guessing that i visited syllo
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