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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 00:46 iamperfection wrote: Well me stopping him from hurting me would be good for town wouldn't it. Could you realize that I'm just waiting for you to contribute constructively as any townie should do ? That's all I'm waiting from you. Do that and block whoever you think it is in the best interest of town to block. I offer you a chance to prove me that you are town  | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 01:02 Acrofales wrote: /looks at acting. Hot air balloon! Am I right? What do you mean ? I have some difficulties to understand idioms sometimes ^^ More seriously, do you have anything to say in VE's defense ? | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 01:17 TheChronicler wrote: Hi Risen Anywho, I'm awake and alive, just waiting until we're closer to deadline to post my case. Not a lynch day and there's no need to give scum a reason to change what they're doing, which is why I also dislike this talk of which lurker to shoot. Djo why are you trying to get people's town reads amongst the lurkers? 1) you honestly want input, which would be fine if it wasn't also telling scum who amongst the lurkers who to shoot (don't direct blues) 2) you're scum and want to know who amongst the lurkers to shoot See how both points are bad for town? Do your own scum hunting, post your reasoning for your shot right before deadline, and if you've been honest in your hunting I don't think anyone would actually be mad at you. You shouldn't let the thread sway you in your shot so much. Then again maybe you have a kill shot and want to treat this like a lynch, in which case I think you should just kill Toad. A downside to toad being checked is that on days with near confirmed lynches discussion tends to drop off. I don't personally think that targeting Toad is a good idea for tonight for reasons I've stated before. 1) I want the lurkers input most of all. I also want people attention to get directed towards the lurkers. I guess that everyone is blue in this game, so your point about the blues is irrelevant here. 2) I'm not scum and I want more contents from some players to be able to derived an alignment from their filters in another way than flipping a coin. Can you seriously make a case against Adam ? Or VE ? I've tried but I'm basically down to "lurky and scummy, or just ultra lurky" so I just want more from them. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 01:14 iamperfection wrote: lets just say djo i have seen things that make it difficult for me to contribute in my normal way. Also your pretty smart djo look through my filter you can figure it out. Also Clarity and marv would be on my do not lynch ever list for this game. Who would you like to lynch tomorrow if Toad dies tonight ? What do you think about Prom ? | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 05:05 strongandbig wrote: oh ##vote: oatsmaster that seems like a thing just now Waking up, just wanted to say you that, from my point of view, my post could have made you magically come back from the UK  Anything you would like to say before the deadline ? | ||
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Djodref
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Regarding VE (and bio), I'm quite surprised that they were both excited in the pre game and went both AWOL. @Adam: thanks ! That was very refreshing From my point of view, it is more constructive discussion than to endlessly discussing about Prom and/or Acro. | ||
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Djodref
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I don't see any particular reason for me to be dead tomorrow morning so my "last will" is just going to be "blame marv if the event fail". Joking aside, I'm really expecting the event to succeed. I've added two players in my shot possibilities, on top of VE and S&B. Players that I consider mafia players imo. Not telling who but I'll tell you tomorrow ^^ | ||
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Djodref
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All this talk about shooting the lurkers is something I made up to force you to participate. I have also asked several people "if Toad dies tonight, bla bla bla". I hope that a mafia RB is going to be directed at me cause I take no action tonight ^^ Sorry guys, I lied ^^ | ||
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Djodref
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I didn't get roleblocked, I didn't take any damage... Regarding the reward, I think we should wait Oats to confirm us that he got a reward before we start speculating too much | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 09:56 Hopeless1der wrote: I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware. What do you think about the possibility of one of you being framed, or even the possibility for TheChronicler to lie ? | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 10:37 Promethelax wrote: it is physically impossible for all three of TC, Acro and Hope to be town. TC says that he is town and one of Acro/Hope is scum. Acro has a check witch confirms another of TC's checks so for him TC and Acro must be town while Hope must be scum. For Hope he must be town and either TC is a liar, and therefore scum, or Acro is scum. What about frames ? | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 10:38 Dienosore wrote: ##Vote: Dienosore Also, here is my daily dmg report and notable claims: + Show Spoiler + thechronicler - 150 dmg, his ability was ineffective hopeless1der - 75 dmg hapahauli - 50 dmg promethelax - 25 dmg, was roleblocked toad - got shot, but minimal dmg acrofales - negated 50 dmg to himself kitaman no sidegame thechronicler claims acro and hopeless are opposite factions @Dieno I'll vote for you if you take me in your party instead of TC. Do you think it could be a good time now to tell us how much damage you took yesterday ? | ||
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Djodref
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But I'm proposing myself as a possible party member. Please keep in mind that marv and syllo have town read on me. Anyway, an ideal party for today should be -> 3 players among Dieno, Syllo, Keir, and Oats. I would recommend Dieno as a party leader because he hasn't received a gift yet and I would put Keir aside because of his "low success modifier" confession. Shall we organize a vote to decide of the fourth party member ? We only have to find this fourth guy today so we may as well do it this way. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 11:16 Keirathi wrote: Dieno and Oats can't both be in the party. We can use 3 "already been to the party" people, and 2 of them have to be me and syllo. The third can be anyone between Dieno/Clarity/Oats, but Oats can't be leader. Yeah, you're right. Sorry I didn't put time to really think it through. I have no strong opposition as you as a party leader, Keir. I would prefer to have Dieno as a party leader today but I'm not going to vote for him if he keeps TC in his party. I don't think that TC is scum anymore but I'm not comfortable with the idea of having him in a party. Do you have any objections to have Dieno as a party leader ? Could you give us a pool of players in which you would select the fourth new member, if you were to be elected ? | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 12:13 Promethelax wrote: well now that I go look at it objectively yes. Through the whole game I've felt that he was scummy. There are a few things I can point out and say they are super scummy (trying to take leader position over 'confirmed' town) but there are a few that I can point to and go 'oooooooooooh so townie' (opposition to Toad early). Now I'm null, or go back and forth wanting to hang him and hug him my heart and my head can't agree, but want to look deeper into him after some more flips give me some context. @Prom Trying to take the leader position over a "confirmed" town is not super scummy at all. The "confirmed" town is never 100% confirmed. The only thing town players know are their own alignment so it's natural for them to propose themselves as a party leader. I trust myself more than anyone esle here. The fact you consider this a super scummy lead me to think that you didn't think this candidature issue with a town mentality. Also, even if you were confidant than sandro was scum during our second cycle, nothing was preventing you from building a case and put some heavy pressure on Hapa, something you didn't do. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote: Wait, Prom now says his ability only roleblocks the first person who targets the player he targets and it doesn't block mafia KP? Prom has deduced that the mafia KP you took was coming from a factional KP, so not coming from one particular member of the group and thus not subject to any roleblock of the attacker. I find his explanation reasonable for this point. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 14:51 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I've finalized my proposed party: Me, syllo, Oats, Djodref This party is not going to fail ^^ ##Vote: Keirathi | ||
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Djodref
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My comments in bold font. "I know who he was pointing at when he got blocked, okay?" He wrote this line before really claiming his ability. If he is town, it would have been part of his bluff to force sandroba to admit he visited you "I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo." Sounds reasonable for me. It was safe to assume that our first party leader would be targeted by a few players. The fact that only marv and sandro have claimed being RBed was a good hint to the fact that they both targeted you. And sandro using his role bussing ability against you makes sense. "I have an ability which is planted on a single player which, if activated RBs everyone who visits that players. If it is not activated it will after [redacted number of cycle(s)] become a shield to block [ redacted number] of HP damage to the targeted player." Ok, it sounds a bit OP, but you didn't take any damage in a while. If Prom cannot use his ability often as he is saying, it is a little more reasonable, no ? "I was pretty shocked about the damage which Syllo claimed (he was shocked because he knew mafia didn't shoot me, the dmg was probably due to Robo's bus ability inflicting 50 damage or something)" This is confirmation bias. "essentially the downsides are only if my reads are bad. There are some restrictions on when I can use my claimed ability. " The real downside is the restrictions on when he can use his ability. I think that his ability makes sense if you think about this game mechanics. The party leader have a lot of town cred and have gifts. They have to be protected until we can fight Lavos. "my role pm says that if someone targets the player whom I targeted that first player will be roleblocked. I'm not sure about 'everyone takes ten damage' I just asked and it does not block mafia kp." Poor wording or Prom is slipping. His overall story makes sense. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote: Djodref why are you answering for him? Actually you know what, I'm done for a few days. There are no active town aligned players left in the game who make even a modicum amount of sense. It's not like we can lynch these people anytime soon and the game is going to take forever given that we are still only in 2300 AD. Why did you have to be mafia sandro I'm answering for him because I personally find that the events have corroborated his story. And it would be a pain to invent such a story just for the sake of bussing marv. I think that sandroba was really roleblocked the first night and I'm quite sure that he was aiming at you with his shadow power. You would have exchanged your role names and alignment for one night. After the first cycle, it's likely that cops or role-checking cops would have investigated you and/or sandroba. So this frame (frame = role name + alignment) bus was the best move to do for sandroba at that time. It's just speculation of course but it makes sense for me. The fact that nobody has strongly doubted you and that some people were voting sandro is a very determined way is an indication in my view that sandro really couldn't use his ability against you. Prome story makes sense. It could be part of a crazy plan to bus sandro and look good after it but it would be far to complicated to invent such a plan imho. I might be wrong but i don't think that Prom role claim, ability claim and story make him mafia. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 27 2012 23:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Ehhhh. You're a hard one to figure out for me. I'm personally less suspicious than iamp than before. I liked his reaction to my bluff | ||
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