Chrono Trigger Mafia - Page 11

On November 24 2012 02:58 TheChronicler wrote:
Wait what did I miss why does robo need to claim?

On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.

Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.

Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count.

On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:
Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up.

Plan:


Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads.

On November 24 2012 04:20 Dienosore wrote:
IDK if I'm town, but I win with town.

As for GK, he's popped up a couple times on my map, but the squigglies protruding and intruding his bubble are too varied for any reliable read right now. I havn't specifically examined him yet, so idk. My earlier leanings was scum, mostly because he attacked my credibility a few times for no real reason. Also, his demeanor was setting off some flags, but as many of you kindly have pointed out english isnt his first language.

On November 24 2012 05:00 syllogism wrote:
I'm usually vary of interpreting contradictions as an indication of someone being mafia as that depends a lot on the person question, but that one seems pretty bad. He hasn't really done anything other than propose his bad plan. A lot of posts and no useful content at all.

On November 24 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
I was going to wait until tomorrow so I could see who people are pushing today without me, to an extent, locking down discussion. I don't think it's particularly working though and kita can't wait (whether he is town remains to be seen, but I don't think it's worth the gamble).

I'm fairly certain that sandroba is mafia. He hasn't done anything useful whole game long and he definitely could have. Everything that I've said about him before is still applicable. Even if he has been busy, it was by choice. No one forced him to run for election and he could have at any time dropped out and supported me. If he was town, I think he would have as soon as he figured out that I'm town.

Moreover, his attitude when he came back is still wrong. Instead of attempting to convince me or even address me, he just addresses everyone generally. He claims that I have been paranoid about his alignment in merc mini and that 80+ player game, but that is false or an exaggeration. In the huge game I was, in fact, pushing him for mayor on day 1 (we were both town). In merc mini I was only slightly suspicious because his ability completely broke the game, but I never wanted to lynch him at any point; the only suspicions were voiced over PM.

If he was town, he would be attempting to convince me, not play down my ability to read him accurately. To those who believe sandroba is town, what do you think mafia did on day 1? Who is mafia? Did they really have no one who could have ran and won? Do you think it's kita or acro were the mafia candidates then?

On November 24 2012 05:45 syllogism wrote:
None of the people who are pushing the idea that sandro is town are pushing kita lynch though (doesn't necessarily make them mafia, they could just be overlooking the fact).

Marvel do you think sandro is mafia?

On November 24 2012 05:56 syllogism wrote:
A lot of things he has said so far have been a little off and I agree that question is one of those.

On November 24 2012 06:05 Dienosore wrote:
I think it's time to finalize our scumbag picks.

Syllo, since you are running the show right now, can you give us 4 people to concentrate on?

On November 24 2012 06:07 Keirathi wrote:
Why no one comment on Prom

On November 24 2012 06:09 Dienosore wrote:
Oh and I gave up on my case for sand. I don't see anything extraordinarily alarming about him other than not being very active. This by itself is still VERY SUSPICIOUS behavior, but I think we have some other targets right now that are clearer.

On November 24 2012 06:16 syllogism wrote:

I agree that his reads, or at least the reasoning behind them, have been weak as is often the case when he is mafia. The way he suggests Cave as an "alternative" while still stressing that he would love to lynch sandroba is also suspicious. Cave may be mafia, but I don't understand what his plan is because he has essentially guaranteed that he will never be selected to the party. I think his very first post said that he shouldn't be selected; would he do that as mafia and would his team allow it? Third party seems more likely.

Kita's early attacks were focused on me over sandroba and the attacks were very weak. He never addressed sandroba directly, except when sandro asked him a random question.

Here he paints me, marvel and sandro red
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16984163

50 minutes later he says he hasn't read sandro's filter yet and says sandro's posts have been reasonable and logical (although he says that doesn't make him town)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16984518

The turkey post wasn't obviously completely serious, but seems weird to paint us red as a joke

On November 24 2012 06:25 syllogism wrote:

I wouldn't lynch kita today even if Sandro wasn't an option. I don't think the second question makes sense, but yes I can more accurately identify alignment of a player who I know extremely well.

On November 24 2012 09:17 kitaman27 wrote:


Are you in favor of a truthful role claim from him, with the implication that we lynch him if things don't add up? We wouldn't be able to verify his claim, but it gives us a more informed decision, which outweighs the drawback in my opinion.