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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 17:59 GMT
#1968
On November 24 2012 02:58 TheChronicler wrote:
Wait what did I miss why does robo need to claim?


he doesn't, we're not discussing that today.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 18:12 GMT
#1974
On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.

Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.

Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count.


Haha. I've literally not been able to help myself considering sand/syllo/kita as some sort of superblock and I know that when I've found one of them scummier I've moved another down as less scummy for no reason.

One of the reasons I trusted in my vote in syllo was that sandroba called him definitely townie. Of all the possible alignments of the two of them, the only situation that would be worrying in is a sand/syllo scumteam, which I dismissed internally, for no particularly good reason... yeah.

Acro, syllo was town and sandroba was scum in Liar Game mafia, but it was a PM game so take what you will.

I am disquieted by syllo's lack of thread presence today, and I want kita to show up and answer for himself. sandroba we just gotta wait for atm.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 19:07 GMT
#1999
On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:
Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up.

Plan:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O


Useless. Don't post like this.

On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play.


Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa.

----------------------------------------------

I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses.

If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system.

We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose.


Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads.

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On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"


[image loading]


I want an answer to this in particular. Stating you don't like giving out townreads as it gives scum targets when your plan was for people to give townreads to other people to give townreads for yet more people doesn't make sense. Explain, TheChronicler.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 19:13 GMT
#2004
Saying I look like that is worse than calling me scum.

:<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 19:25 GMT
#2011
On November 24 2012 04:20 Dienosore wrote:
IDK if I'm town, but I win with town.

As for GK, he's popped up a couple times on my map, but the squigglies protruding and intruding his bubble are too varied for any reliable read right now. I havn't specifically examined him yet, so idk. My earlier leanings was scum, mostly because he attacked my credibility a few times for no real reason. Also, his demeanor was setting off some flags, but as many of you kindly have pointed out english isnt his first language.



No, that was Djodref. Get yourself together and make a proper analysis on GK.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 20:07 GMT
#2026
On November 24 2012 05:00 syllogism wrote:
I'm usually vary of interpreting contradictions as an indication of someone being mafia as that depends a lot on the person question, but that one seems pretty bad. He hasn't really done anything other than propose his bad plan. A lot of posts and no useful content at all.


so you now think he could be scum, having agreed with me earlier he was more likely town?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 20:43 GMT
#2045
On November 24 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
I was going to wait until tomorrow so I could see who people are pushing today without me, to an extent, locking down discussion. I don't think it's particularly working though and kita can't wait (whether he is town remains to be seen, but I don't think it's worth the gamble).

I'm fairly certain that sandroba is mafia. He hasn't done anything useful whole game long and he definitely could have. Everything that I've said about him before is still applicable. Even if he has been busy, it was by choice. No one forced him to run for election and he could have at any time dropped out and supported me. If he was town, I think he would have as soon as he figured out that I'm town.

Moreover, his attitude when he came back is still wrong. Instead of attempting to convince me or even address me, he just addresses everyone generally. He claims that I have been paranoid about his alignment in merc mini and that 80+ player game, but that is false or an exaggeration. In the huge game I was, in fact, pushing him for mayor on day 1 (we were both town). In merc mini I was only slightly suspicious because his ability completely broke the game, but I never wanted to lynch him at any point; the only suspicions were voiced over PM.

If he was town, he would be attempting to convince me, not play down my ability to read him accurately. To those who believe sandroba is town, what do you think mafia did on day 1? Who is mafia? Did they really have no one who could have ran and won? Do you think it's kita or acro were the mafia candidates then?


kita could be mafia, so yeah.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 20:54 GMT
#2052
On November 24 2012 05:45 syllogism wrote:
None of the people who are pushing the idea that sandro is town are pushing kita lynch though (doesn't necessarily make them mafia, they could just be overlooking the fact).

Marvel do you think sandro is mafia?


I think kita for whatever reason isn't an easy target for this town to push. kita has had disproportionately little attention compared to sandroba. I find kita's play objectively considerably worse, for example his alternative lynch Cave and him giving his support to the sandroba lynch with no reasoning at all attached, plus his reads post from first cycle was ludicrous.

I'm not confident at all that sandroba is mafia. Obviously he's clever enough to fake things, but little bits like when he asked me who my top town reads amongst the newer players were - it's quite a random question and one that makes sense more from a town perspective than a mafia perspective. I dislike how he's not been here recently, real life or no, to push any reads. That's the most worrying.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 20:59 GMT
#2056
On November 24 2012 05:56 syllogism wrote:
A lot of things he has said so far have been a little off and I agree that question is one of those.


what do you think of kita's play so far?

his proposal of cave as a lynch candidate, his support with no reasoning for sandroba? some of his earlier reads that felt weakly thought through?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 21:06 GMT
#2059
On November 24 2012 06:05 Dienosore wrote:
I think it's time to finalize our scumbag picks.

Syllo, since you are running the show right now, can you give us 4 people to concentrate on?


no, it isn't
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 21:08 GMT
#2061
On November 24 2012 06:07 Keirathi wrote:
Why no one comment on Prom


I am still pretty concerned at Prome's alignment and your post makes sense.

Right now I'm trying to get a read on kita out of syllo though ;p
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 21:11 GMT
#2064
On November 24 2012 06:09 Dienosore wrote:
Oh and I gave up on my case for sand. I don't see anything extraordinarily alarming about him other than not being very active. This by itself is still VERY SUSPICIOUS behavior, but I think we have some other targets right now that are clearer.


who do you want to lynch, then?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 21:21 GMT
#2069
On November 24 2012 06:16 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
On November 24 2012 05:56 syllogism wrote:
A lot of things he has said so far have been a little off and I agree that question is one of those.


what do you think of kita's play so far?

his proposal of cave as a lynch candidate, his support with no reasoning for sandroba? some of his earlier reads that felt weakly thought through?

I agree that his reads, or at least the reasoning behind them, have been weak as is often the case when he is mafia. The way he suggests Cave as an "alternative" while still stressing that he would love to lynch sandroba is also suspicious. Cave may be mafia, but I don't understand what his plan is because he has essentially guaranteed that he will never be selected to the party. I think his very first post said that he shouldn't be selected; would he do that as mafia and would his team allow it? Third party seems more likely.

Kita's early attacks were focused on me over sandroba and the attacks were very weak. He never addressed sandroba directly, except when sandro asked him a random question.

Here he paints me, marvel and sandro red
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16984163

50 minutes later he says he hasn't read sandro's filter yet and says sandro's posts have been reasonable and logical (although he says that doesn't make him town)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16984518

The turkey post wasn't obviously completely serious, but seems weird to paint us red as a joke


do you think he has a decent chance of being mafia then? is sandroba more likely mafia to you simply because you are more intimate with his play?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 21:28 GMT
#2076
On November 24 2012 06:25 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 06:21 marvellosity wrote:
On November 24 2012 06:16 syllogism wrote:
On November 24 2012 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
On November 24 2012 05:56 syllogism wrote:
A lot of things he has said so far have been a little off and I agree that question is one of those.


what do you think of kita's play so far?

his proposal of cave as a lynch candidate, his support with no reasoning for sandroba? some of his earlier reads that felt weakly thought through?

I agree that his reads, or at least the reasoning behind them, have been weak as is often the case when he is mafia. The way he suggests Cave as an "alternative" while still stressing that he would love to lynch sandroba is also suspicious. Cave may be mafia, but I don't understand what his plan is because he has essentially guaranteed that he will never be selected to the party. I think his very first post said that he shouldn't be selected; would he do that as mafia and would his team allow it? Third party seems more likely.

Kita's early attacks were focused on me over sandroba and the attacks were very weak. He never addressed sandroba directly, except when sandro asked him a random question.

Here he paints me, marvel and sandro red
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16984163

50 minutes later he says he hasn't read sandro's filter yet and says sandro's posts have been reasonable and logical (although he says that doesn't make him town)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16984518

The turkey post wasn't obviously completely serious, but seems weird to paint us red as a joke


do you think he has a decent chance of being mafia then? is sandroba more likely mafia to you simply because you are more intimate with his play?

I wouldn't lynch kita today even if Sandro wasn't an option. I don't think the second question makes sense, but yes I can more accurately identify alignment of a player who I know extremely well.


uh, what I was getting at is this: I find kita's play scummier than sandroba's, but as you know sandroba so well you find it easier to discern sand's alignment.

I'm curious what you think kita has done to deserve NOT being lynched.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 22:37 GMT
#2133
kita has seemed awfully non-urgent about finding scum given he has until like now to try to guess the right lynch for today :/
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 23:04 GMT
#2139
Acro darling, kita me up please.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 23:34 GMT
#2147
I didn't think much of it kita, Cave asked if I'd attacked him and I just replied that I couldn't.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 23:35 GMT
#2148
yes, sandroba definitely claimed taking damage and a roleblock.

syllogism claimed taking 50 damage.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 24 2012 00:12 GMT
#2156
Your whole piece on Cave brings up valid points but boils down to: lynch the trolly guy if he continues to troll, even though it's still pretty much a coinflip at this stage.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 24 2012 00:22 GMT
#2161
On November 24 2012 09:17 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 09:12 marvellosity wrote:
Your whole piece on Cave brings up valid points but boils down to: lynch the trolly guy if he continues to troll, even though it's still pretty much a coinflip at this stage.


Are you in favor of a truthful role claim from him, with the implication that we lynch him if things don't add up? We wouldn't be able to verify his claim, but it gives us a more informed decision, which outweighs the drawback in my opinion.


Of course I'd rather he told the truth fully, and it's tempting to lynch him just to get rid of him, but do you really think of all the players in the game he's the best chance of flipping scum in the 2nd cycle??
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