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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 01:34 GMT
#1760
On November 23 2012 10:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 23 2012 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Clarity, no I did not take damage.
Your question to me was interesting. I may look into it at a later date


Someone suggested to use the same party every time we have to send a party, and I was wondering if it was viable.
Quite interested in why you think I asked.


the fact that the party did not take damage (if they all didn't) isn't necessarily an indicator that they cannot take damage
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 01:44 GMT
#1766
On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:
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On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.

Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv.


Lol, nice soft defense.

How is that a soft defense?
I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all.
I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch.

What part of that post is defending someone?

How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray.


The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie.

I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever.

BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years.

Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town.

As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now.


The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 01:54 GMT
#1769
On November 23 2012 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv is scum. He has 6666 posts at this time. lynch him.


shit. saved!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 02:12 GMT
#1777
Dinesore, no PMs means no communicating outside of the thread.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 02:17 GMT
#1779
On November 23 2012 11:13 Toadesstern wrote:
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On November 23 2012 11:07 Keirathi wrote:
On November 23 2012 11:04 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:
[quote]
How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray.


The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie.

I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever.

BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years.

Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town.

As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now.


The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments.

thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value.

Did YOU give an opinion on if I was claiming scum in the thread or not? I don't remember you doing so.

well I would have if I had considered it to be a mafiaclaim. I don't talk about townreads...

So, you had a scum read on me, then i claimed something weird in the thread and that moved me to a town read?


No, you said something I considered to be a weak mafiatreat early in the game. I mentioned it telling people you're scum trying to get people talking about stuff like that rather than having people talk about the set-up or townreads. Like I explained (go check my filter, I don't feel like searching that post because it's REALLY long time ago).
You then proceeded to keep on playing agressive unlike the vast majority of people which made me go back to null-read (again, the first one was an ever so slight read I exaggerated on purpose, nothing I'd consider a read at all in general), maybe slightly leaning town.
You then proceeded to either straight up claim third-party, mafia or incredibly concerned townie.


which?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 02:21 GMT
#1781
On November 23 2012 11:17 Dienosore wrote:
Ah, well then I don't know what we should do... any ideas on how to make this work?


make what work dear? some town circle is impossible as all communication is in-thread only. Was there something else in particular you are trying to make work?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 13:16 GMT
#1869
I'd really like to hear more from kita and syllo in particular on sandroba.

sandroba is on the borderline for me, I've seen him less interested than this by far as scum and way more interested as town.

Apart from that, Bio's done nothing to make me think him town.

goodkarma's posts seem really constructed and to me he feels really detached, despite his long posts. But he does have quite a bit of content. Anyone have any thoughts on him?

Djo, I'll have to re-read your case to see if there's any merit in it, I've been feeling TheChronicler as town for most of the game.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 13:23 GMT
#1870
Yeah, TheChronicler's bad plan still seems more likely it would have come from a townie to me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 13:39 GMT
#1872
On November 23 2012 22:32 Djodref wrote:
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On November 23 2012 22:23 marvellosity wrote:
Yeah, TheChronicler's bad plan still seems more likely it would have come from a townie to me.


@marv

What do you make on his stances on "information" ?

He promotes a plan to produce more information (that was the main goal of his plan)
He doesn't want iamp to publicly state his town read on Dieno
He votes syllo which plan wasn't really "information producing"-like at first glance

This made me think that he didn't really think about his first plan, didn't really believe in it, so I took it as a fake plan.

@TheChronicler: Are you a player named ghost rider ? What is your global experience on playing mafia on forums ?


I think at the time he was a well meaning but wrong townie. He pushed his idea for quite a while but eventually backed down from it when I framed it to him in a certain way.

I don't really understand what he was trying to achieve as scum. He is a name no-one recognises, and if he knew how things were likely to go down or had a scumteam that did, then the plan is obviously bad, because he was never going to be listened to.

I take your point that it could be "contributing to look townie", but why like that? It was so weird. I mean, maybe it's a massive double bluff and he's a super strong player playing the naive card or whatever, but I don't think so right now. I prefer the option of concerned but misguided townie who hasn't continued to shit up the thread with it for too long.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 13:58 GMT
#1878
On November 23 2012 22:51 Acrofales wrote:
I was going to put some examples here, but I have a better idea that will let me figure out more about the unique capabilities of our squiggly line drawer :D

@Dienosore: I am starting to agree with you on the strangeness of some of GK's posts. However, I want you to explain a bit better what in GK's posts reads as contrived. We can compare notes afterwards. We will then use our combined powers to ascertain whether he is scum or not!

@everybody else: go ahead and do the same, but please let Dieno answer the question first. It was him who first mentioned this stuff.


Ok, but for what it's worth (something Dino won't know) BC and DrH pegged goodkarma as scum in... Palmar's normal (LVII?) for making a post that looked way too constructed.

I had a look at gk's filter in his town game in newbie XXIV before I made my post earlier, and I didn't feel quite so certainly about it as I thought I would have. XXIV is on the front page if you wanna have a look yourself.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 14:03 GMT
#1881
On November 23 2012 22:57 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 22:32 Djodref wrote:
On November 23 2012 22:23 marvellosity wrote:
Yeah, TheChronicler's bad plan still seems more likely it would have come from a townie to me.


@marv

What do you make on his stances on "information" ?

He promotes a plan to produce more information (that was the main goal of his plan)
He doesn't want iamp to publicly state his town read on Dieno
He votes syllo which plan wasn't really "information producing"-like at first glance

This made me think that he didn't really think about his first plan, didn't really believe in it, so I took it as a fake plan.

@TheChronicler: Are you a player named ghost rider ? What is your global experience on playing mafia on forums ?


I think at the time he was a well meaning but wrong townie. He pushed his idea for quite a while but eventually backed down from it when I framed it to him in a certain way.

I don't really understand what he was trying to achieve as scum. He is a name no-one recognises, and if he knew how things were likely to go down or had a scumteam that did, then the plan is obviously bad, because he was never going to be listened to.

I take your point that it could be "contributing to look townie", but why like that? It was so weird. I mean, maybe it's a massive double bluff and he's a super strong player playing the naive card or whatever, but I don't think so right now. I prefer the option of concerned but misguided townie who hasn't continued to shit up the thread with it for too long.


@marv

I'll see how he addresses my case then. As scum, I like to have bad ideas and to push them a lot. I don't really care if people tell me that's bad and that I should stop to shit up the thread with it and so on
What do you think about his vote on syllo ? I didn't like the lack of explanations for it.

Regarding GK, I found that his thought process was easy to follow and I like how his campaign posts were structured.
His ticket for his party was reasonable and he withdraw his candidature at a good timing. I have a town read on him so far.


Yes, agreed, but compare Mario to what went down here. TheChronicler pushed his idea, a lot of people shat on it, he pushed it some more, I basically told him to stop, and then he actually did. Whereas you went on in Mario for literally days with your setup stuff, he didn't keep going on about it forever after. See what I mean?

Actually I agree with you his vote on syllo was weird. Especially given syllo was effectively pushing the opposite campaign platform to what Chronicler was suggesting (information/openness vs total secrecy), and that he was voting him almost out of spite to Cave. I'd like to hear more from TheChronicler why he decided to vote syllo in the end.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 14:06 GMT
#1882
Just to segue back to sandroba quickly, I think what I wanna see out of him today is how/why he decides to push whoever he does. As the most popular wagon right now he doesn't have the luxury of pushing himself ;p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 14:22 GMT
#1887
On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:
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On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote:
In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without.


I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern.

I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns)

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On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:
I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well.

I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef


I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane).

My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have.

Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask).

Now to read what I've missed.


He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3)


kita, I'd like you to expand on some things here. As you seem to know, Drazerk lies/trolls/does dumb stuff as either alignment, seemingly for his own amusement.

Nothing you've written here about him seems particularly alignment indicative for him, so why do you think he makes a good lynch? What makes him particularly scum rather than deranged townie?

Also, you say you "are still in favour of a sandroba lynch". I cannot find elsewhere you saying that you were in favour of a sandroba lynch, this looks like the first mention of it. As an oldschool player you should have some significant insight into his play, but there's none here. Explain yourself, please. Your whole post is very lazy indeed.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 14:32 GMT
#1893
On November 23 2012 23:29 Djodref wrote:
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On November 23 2012 23:28 strongandbig wrote:
I'm voting Sandra I don't Luke his ignoring Sylvia case yestersay


So you get to not be present in this game but not sandro ??
What the fuck with the double standards ?


it just means we'll hold him to a higher standard when he gets back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 15:00 GMT
#1900
On November 23 2012 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont see a strong reasoning other than your own bias.. Sandro has quite a filter that we can analyse and is not a coin flip whether mafia/town. For example if BioSC was lynched right now, if he is town, we killed a town. If he is mafia , we got lucky.


From what Bio has posted, does anything give you indications he's town? Any thought process or stance?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 15:25 GMT
#1913
On November 24 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
So i went through biosc games and i have noticed that he tends not be an activity fiend to begin with in really all of his games so i dont know what to think of him anymore. I want to hear more from him before i pass judgement. Also he has disappeared completely once before (with justification) so couple that with thanksgiving today i don't really make that big a deal of him disappearing.

@MarvI on scale of 1 to 10 How important are you to town (this is a seerious question deall with it)


I'm always important to town, dear. Your question has a bunch of hidden implications that I'd much rather you came straight out with
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 16:50 GMT
#1941
On November 24 2012 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
marv is there anything in your colouring book that's significantly different than the general consensus?


On who would you say there's a "general consensus"? I don't really get this question.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 16:55 GMT
#1944
On November 24 2012 01:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 24 2012 01:50 marvellosity wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
marv is there anything in your colouring book that's significantly different than the general consensus?


On who would you say there's a "general consensus"? I don't really get this question.


I'd say sand is under the spotlight for being scummy, and all the party members and some others are considered townie. I'm just asking if you think you've noticed something that others might have not.


Well, I've mentioned my views on all of these people this cycle.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 17:56 GMT
#1963
On November 24 2012 02:55 Dienosore wrote:
Okok, Im awake again.

I'd like to hear everyone's stance on a Robo roleclaim before the next party selection. Should Robo claim? When would be the best time for him to expose himself? Who should he replace on the team? Is it really worth exposing a strong member for the sake of him being there during the proper time period?

well?


not thinking about it right now, because it's totally irrelevant. Today we lynch scum. I suggest this is where you focus your energies.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 17:58 GMT
#1966
On November 24 2012 02:57 Dienosore wrote:
One thing at a time, I guess.


you have open questions directed at yourself regarding goodkarma. Hoppity hop ^_^
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