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JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 15 2012 16:18 GMT
#46
The Strangelove has entered the building.... No seriously last exam is... one day and 7-ish hours from now. I'M COMING FOR YOU SONIC! I'M COMING!

/in
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 15 2012 16:44 GMT
#48
On November 15 2012 02:41 Hapahauli wrote:
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On November 14 2012 22:40 kushm4sta wrote:
awww there's no flavor


Flavor is not in the OP, but will be added to the game. I'm thinking South Park, but I'll take all suggestions

Regarding Replacements:
I'll wait to see the demand for spots in the game before adding players who have played 4+ games in those slots. You will be notified before the start of the game if you are a replacement


OH pshht think of something original... like... a pack of mammoths for town and a group of tigers for scum. (although how tigers pass for mammoths in the day I have no idea)

The night kill would go something like this... Barry the freaking tiger: "Munch munch lunch" Mammoth: "oh no a talking tiger"

*mammoth one has been slain*

Or... don't do that....

Sorry sonic you will always be scum to me <3
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 25 2012 08:19 GMT
#195
Yo! Was out drinking and missed deadlines and all. Just for those who have forgotten me I am the guy with normally too much time on his hands..

1) How many games have you played on TL?
Two one town one mafia.
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
Prefer not to but also dislike lynching insanely active people. (harder to beat mafia with these guys out the way{that said I tend to be one of these guys})
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
Both great.

Discussion so far seems low and (almost) pointless but this is the first few hours. However talking is good, the more the easier it becomes.

Oats is totally wifom-ing it up and just a comment (while I LOVE these types of arguments apparently the "if I am scum" is a bad sign (I used it both my games but more so when I was scum) Also don't like he went right out saying lynch lurkers day one. (although I have no compassion in regards to lurkers so don't lurk don't be lynched ^^ although this lets be build up my oats style profile) Not much to go on but have to find something.

Also yamoto has black and whited this a little too much, if he is scuk (note you can say it from your side abit not effectively) he might have motivation for sheeping oats and then lynching oats.

Or he is just enthusiastic and listing an option.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 25 2012 08:21 GMT
#197
Ebwop: scum* and several other miss-typed words *makes mental note to use word next time*
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 25 2012 08:22 GMT
#198
I agree with kick start regarding "I think scum reads should trump everything because the goal of the game is to find the scum. If someone doesn't post at all then they will likely get modkilled/replaced anyways"

if they are seriously inactive replace is likely.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 25 2012 08:54 GMT
#200
Yeah that is why I went with seriously inactive like 1 posts a game day. But true it mainly depends on situation...
JacobStrangelove
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November 25 2012 12:41 GMT
#217
Hmm, Oats has been very out of the ordinary. So out of the ordinary I would almost pardon him if it wasn't for him being the only one we can have anything on. He is however getting the conversation going. (still gonna watch him like a hawk though) Just one thing I want clarification on though.

On November 25 2012 17:20 Kickstart wrote:

If you really have a scum read on Mr.Cheesecake then you need to make a case on him that tries to persuade us all. Posting "I have a feeling he is scum" is not going to make anyone throw their vote on him. Would you maybe expand a bit on why you think he is suspicious or if you still do?


Mainly the "or if you still do" you allowed him to backtrack something a nervous town might take advantage of if they feel it might put them in a bad situation. (one thing is for sure oats isn't nervous lol) However I am mainly interested in it as it doesn't appear to be (although I don't know your meta (haven't looked at it yes) something a town wouldn't say (giving all the options[admittedly I tend to do this for everything though]) so just curious on that particular wording. It came up in conjunction with your rant. Honestly I think oats is doing good by promoting conversation but he might have hit a sore spot.

tl;dr any particular reason for creating a backout opportunity for him?

JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 25 2012 12:43 GMT
#219
Yeah out of the ordinary for normal people
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 25 2012 12:49 GMT
#221
I think he is basically doing what you did but with slightly more substance. or he could be trying to start a counter wagon (if he was mafia)
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 25 2012 12:53 GMT
#223
Hey just asking the question! Looking back I may have read into that.... a little too much but we don't have much to work with.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 25 2012 13:06 GMT
#229
On November 25 2012 21:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
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On November 25 2012 21:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hey just asking the question! Looking back I may have read into that.... a little too much but we don't have much to work with.


It wasn't so much your argument that confused me, but the sentence containing a double negation and a parentheses within a parentheses within a parentheses.

Did I get it correctly that you thought giving Oat an easy out was scummy by Kick?


Yes. I have to kick that habit.


I am just confused why you are so angry and aggressive. *mental note to check history* It just looked like a strange thing to ask with the tail end out. Also we have to compare the two votes as they are the only two votes there are. We may find as you say they are completely different however but not as different as you think.


But yeah I was thinking along the lines of oats put a target of his back. However some people *cough* kush *cough* use that play even as mafia to variable success.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 25 2012 13:13 GMT
#233
Haha no just the tactic that was used.
JacobStrangelove
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November 25 2012 13:15 GMT
#235
Exactly which is why for the moment I don't think he is scum for it.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 02:50 GMT
#309
Ok I woke up, still reading stuff and checking stuff but just a couple of comments. Meta isn't a null read it's a slight read. Nothing should be a null read imo.

I also think SDM is town just because I agree with most of the stuff he says but until later in the game focus on town reads isn't the best (although personally I still like them) However there are a few things I want to check with yamato and others so I will get back to you.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 02:58 GMT
#310
On November 25 2012 15:12 yamato77 wrote:
That is, between Aqua and I, the only other 2 people actively keeping up.


Ok comments on yamotos filter. This is brought up and if you check his filter all he was posting was one liners. In other words he wants to appear active when he wasn't really.

he mentioned he was asleep before that (the post people have discussed) which would mean he sleeps for about 11 hours to get to 02:00 my time. Then he waits three hours to post. (this is based of the timings in his filter. however. Give him an hour before bed and that's 10 hours and the possibility of him checking the forum earlier on the first day means he probably just woke up and didn't check for a while.

(while this may look pointless what I am saying is there is some validity for his sleeping story) Honestly I don't like yamotos yet and I want to see CC post more reads it's actually rather easy to defend yourself if that is all you are doing. need to look closer at helios and munkey doing this next.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 03:13 GMT
#311
Hmm mostly a null read on helios playing kinda safe but contributing. Also something in this favor is asking other peoples opinions on other people. (a tactic that can often find scum if you ask scum what they think of other scum) Also good putting the pressure on munkey. (munkey needs to post more)

Feel free to draw my attention to anything in particular I have missed or you want my opinion on.

For now Munkey needs to contribute, he did have a nice long post that I disagreed with completely though. (well I found the sudden switch strange but the style was townie.) <-- in regards to his comments on oats.


Aquariam (although has his reasons drops in and out a lot)



JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 03:32 GMT
#313
If I had to lynch hmm, not aqua not enough info, same with munkey. Helios null and sonic and you are not in my picture at the moment.

CC Kick and yahomi.

if the lynch right now not cc he is active even if just in defending himself. Kick is rather active though I want to omgus him.

That kinda leaves yahamto not strong but by elimination it would be him.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 03:34 GMT
#314
He is also in the not lurking zone, somewhere scum want to be. Maybe it's just my playstyle but I would never lurk as scum.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 03:45 GMT
#318
On November 26 2012 12:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets go with the association case now.
If CC is scum, yamato isnt, if yamato is scum, CC isnt.
How would CC see you as a threat? arnt me and SDM more of a threat at that point of time?
How many times do I have to repeat that my vote is serious


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Day one association case. (you're learning from me though lol)

Often mafia will hate each other early so they can say "but we hated each other"
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 04:23 GMT
#320
That is true and it is a good point... however when I was scum I set out to bus everyone I could. (not common though) oh and don't worry about it being to early for that I love association cases.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 06:54 GMT
#327
On November 26 2012 15:23 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 13:23 JacobStrangelove wrote:
That is true and it is a good point... however when I was scum I set out to bus everyone I could. (not common though) oh and don't worry about it being to early for that I love association cases.


Early D1 association cases suck, you should know better.


Hey I know! I pointed it out...
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 07:12 GMT
#333
On November 26 2012 16:07 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 22:06 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On November 25 2012 21:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On November 25 2012 21:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hey just asking the question! Looking back I may have read into that.... a little too much but we don't have much to work with.


It wasn't so much your argument that confused me, but the sentence containing a double negation and a parentheses within a parentheses within a parentheses.

Did I get it correctly that you thought giving Oat an easy out was scummy by Kick?


Yes. I have to kick that habit.


I am just confused why you are so angry and aggressive. *mental note to check history*
It just looked like a strange thing to ask with the tail end out. Also we have to compare the two votes as they are the only two votes there are. We may find as you say they are completely different however but not as different as you think.


But yeah I was thinking along the lines of oats put a target of his back. However some people *cough* kush *cough* use that play even as mafia to variable success.


How did this work out for you? I'd expect that when you're suspicious of me, you would look into this before giving me a town read. Unless you know, you're not at all suspicious of me because you know I'm town.


Ahh I changed subject without mentioning it. Was referring to kick. I must admit I forgot to look into it. Will do that now.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 07:17 GMT
#334
Woah, Kickstarter was so nice in The Mario game. Not sure but it looks like a complete meta change. (although going of one game isn't strong) just wondering why the aggressive comments for "bad play" when he claims to have been a victim of that.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 07:56 GMT
#338
On November 26 2012 16:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
nah, I think that he was kinda sad about the mafia game because he got played, so now he is trying to make sure that it doesnt happen to him again.




How do you know this?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 08:28 GMT
#343
Hey I asked questions "just wondering why the aggressive comments" I do expect answers just because I don't say "this is a question" trust me when he reads that he probably will answer. Theory was implied But yeah I have been rather nonchalant.

because you want me to be clearer (oats)

Yamato is a scum read, his bit about.
On November 25 2012 13:51 yamato77 wrote:
If we sheep oats and lynch cheesecake, and he flips town, at least our day 2 lynch is an easy decision.


Could be a way to try and get two town lynched with one stone. Saying it black and white like that.

Before posting more than two posts (basically) he posts this

On November 25 2012 14:16 yamato77 wrote:
Still feel uneasy about me?


Signals he is paranoid about what people think about him.

Then does this

On November 25 2012 14:53 yamato77 wrote:
I don't really care for your topics of discussion, but that's about it.

On November 25 2012 15:09 yamato77 wrote:
I think the discussion is fine as it is.

On November 25 2012 15:12 yamato77 wrote:
That is, between Aqua and I, the only other 2 people actively keeping up.


whaa?

On November 26 2012 05:34 yamato77 wrote:
Mr. Cheesecake is playing without contributing. He's written a lot, but most of it is absolutely useless to a town looking for scum. His policy discussion and talk about other mafia games he's played doesn't help hunt for other players, it seems like more of a defense for himself. Then he calls out two players, myself and Helo, trying to draw attention away from himself. None of this reads town to me, at all.



Mentioned this before but it is exactly what he was doing but trying to call someone else out for it.

And he swings a lot. Plenty of contradiction.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 09:09 GMT
#351
On November 26 2012 17:57 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 17:28 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hey I asked questions "just wondering why the aggressive comments" I do expect answers just because I don't say "this is a question" trust me when he reads that he probably will answer. Theory was implied But yeah I have been rather nonchalant.


Yeah that's a fair point, but if you think Kick's comment was allignment indicative I would've expected you to put some pressure. Instead you kind of just left it out there for others to either go with or ignore.

As far as your Yamato case goes, what you point out is nothing new (I know claim that, you were just clarifying). A lot of it is stuff I've thought about and I think commented on. The problem I have is it feels like one of this cases I convince myself is good but end up being crap. It's just to easy to make. D1 it's very easy for scum not to leave those obvious openings.

This is why I'm intrigued about Aqua's case on Kick. On surface Kick isn't scummy, but scum usually won't be scummy on the first day, at least D1 (I have yet to read the case though).


Yeah, to be honest though and this is probably bad play on my part but my meta is very well there is this... and this! Until I get a solid above 60% read. (unless I find someone to omgus on)

But the meta thing is indicative a little at least (considering day one) and aqua's case while going over a few things already mentioned was well put together.

I think most likely scum are yamato and kick, aqua came out with a good post so... that puts munkey in a worse light comparatively (as far as lurking goes) CC is kinda like kick in away which is interesting.

I don't have much else to say until these guys get back in the thread tbh.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 09:12 GMT
#352
yeah oats while his initial style was very townlike in my opinion has also been quite inconsistent tunnling as well like sonic mentioned however I think his style (and this is only a feel read) is more town like though.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 10:51 GMT
#361
Yeah as scum and town I tend to post a lot but uhh... the old republic went free to play so...
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#364
Kickstarter case looks good tbh. I am a little funny about the helo yamoto thing due to having an insane probably wrong read on one of them. I really want these guys particularly to enter the thread. I can't do much more without it.

Will look into it more before bed. On a side note how much time left before lynch?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 13:41 GMT
#368
I read someone as blue and I can't get the idea out of my head.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 16:20 GMT
#393
On November 27 2012 00:38 Kickstart wrote:

Aquanim: Despite his case on me I read him as slightly town. Actually the case on me gives me that read because aqau is activiely trying to scum hunt and bringing pressure onto people that weren't being pressured at all before, so this I like as town play and encourage him to continue doing.

Mr. Cheesecake: null read. I soft-defended him because I felt like the cases were bad and had no weight, which I think can be agreed upon by everyone. Unfortunatly most of his posting doesn't allow me to have a town read on him because he hasn't done much in the way of sticking his neck out on anything. But on the other hand he has been forced to defend himself for most of Day 1 so I give him a null read thus far.



In the middle of something but I saw this post.

You soft defended him? You appeared to go on a rampage. Also why is that did you just decide to completely change your meta? Something that happened in my scum qt last game was we defined roles. To me this looks like you said I am going to act like this and kinda stuck to it. Maybe you just want to improve your play but just let me know why such a difference.


Also you were being pressured before aquanim came at you ^^ Admittedly he came at you in a far more logical and organized way.

Also votes are slowly being put on munkey. While there is no inherent problem with this there is also going to be no opposition to this town has no reason to not vote him and with no opposition mafa don't either. Just food for thought... (ie: mafa probably don't mind us voting for munkey) Little early to tell though. and completely wifom.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 16:20 GMT
#394
On November 27 2012 01:16 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Voting on Munk-E feels like such a cop out. Like admitting I can't find scum with the information given. Munk-E, now is the time to show up.


Ninja'd it is a cop out and one mafia don't mind
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 17:13 GMT
#401
Well I have finished everything. I don't want to vote munkey for listed reasons (when is the lynch btw?) but I have to vote before bed. So far I have to go Yamato77 or Kickstart. For the moment while I think I have to go Yamato while I think about the recent developments with kick (incase I fall alseep {3:11am})

##Vote: Yamato77
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 17:15 GMT
#402
Nvm realized it was on the other page (lynch time)
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 17:24 GMT
#405
Town do NOT blue hunt!!


I do

The fact Kickstarter focused on it isn't a surprise.


Just interesting to note but my notes file has you two in a love story situation. This can be good or bad but you seem to defend each other. (this happens as town and scum)

However it is true what you say about yamato.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 17:26 GMT
#406
Munk is like a 40-60 coin flip either mafia completely ignored him if he was mafia or they didn't bother defending someone who was town of course.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 26 2012 23:27 GMT
#453
On November 27 2012 07:19 yamato77 wrote:


Jacob, equally, has contributed nothing of real value. If he's off playing a video game like he claims (terrible cop-out), then perhaps you guys need to pressure him into making reads that aren't complete fluff like posting a whole paragraph deciphering if I slept the right amount of time in his opinion. His vote on me seems contrived, as does Munk-E's, because neither one cast serious suspicion on me before placing their vote.


Wrong I had you under serious suspicion for years before that vote. Anyway just woke up and am reading the thread.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 23:34 GMT
#454
On November 27 2012 08:09 Munk-E wrote:

I didn't drop my case, because I never really had one. That post pointed out how at the time, oats posts were weird for a townie. Although may have been inductive of a potential scum alliance, it is much more likely he was just bad. On average, everyone has a 2/9 chance of being mafia, but by his posts,,i would put him at 1/3



You seem to be giving yourself plenty outs, if he flips town you can say (Oh he was only 1/3 guys totally not my fault)
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 23:38 GMT
#456
hmm I have to admit my main reason for not voting for munkey was because there seemed to be nobody fighting against it. But now that he is active again when it is becoming later in the day it seems scum behaviour (two types of scum the type that chime in late and the type that miss the lynch[but are actually there watching it])
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 23:39 GMT
#457
Oh great now you have a semi reason for it. There is equal chance of this being a lie or not a lie. :/
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 23:46 GMT
#460
Yamato is making me feel bad but if I vote munk-e now it will seem like I am sheeping. Also I don't see how not voting for the guy with the most votes was sheeping (unless he was actually mafia) particularly when people were leaving the one I voted for.

Also Munkey is very cold along side kick who *Twitch* I will not start an association case on day one *cough*


JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 23:47 GMT
#461
On November 27 2012 08:43 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 08:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On November 27 2012 07:19 yamato77 wrote:


Jacob, equally, has contributed nothing of real value. If he's off playing a video game like he claims (terrible cop-out), then perhaps you guys need to pressure him into making reads that aren't complete fluff like posting a whole paragraph deciphering if I slept the right amount of time in his opinion. His vote on me seems contrived, as does Munk-E's, because neither one cast serious suspicion on me before placing their vote.


Wrong I had you under serious suspicion for years before that vote. Anyway just woke up and am reading the thread.

If your "serious suspicion" is the post I referenced where the entire content is saying you believe me when I say I was sleeping, then it wasn't serious at all, in my opinion.

Give a read on someone that isn't completely terrible.


No the sleeping thing was in your favor. One sec.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
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November 26 2012 23:53 GMT
#464
Well I did have a one liner before the time sleep thing. also there was this


Yamato is a scum read, his bit about.
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 13:51 yamato77 wrote:
If we sheep oats and lynch cheesecake, and he flips town, at least our day 2 lynch is an easy decision.


Could be a way to try and get two town lynched with one stone. Saying it black and white like that.

Before posting more than two posts (basically) he posts this

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 14:16 yamato77 wrote:
Still feel uneasy about me?


Signals he is paranoid about what people think about him.

Then does this

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 14:53 yamato77 wrote:
I don't really care for your topics of discussion, but that's about it.

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 15:09 yamato77 wrote:
I think the discussion is fine as it is.

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On November 25 2012 15:12 yamato77 wrote:
That is, between Aqua and I, the only other 2 people actively keeping up.


whaa?

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On November 26 2012 05:34 yamato77 wrote:
Mr. Cheesecake is playing without contributing. He's written a lot, but most of it is absolutely useless to a town looking for scum. His policy discussion and talk about other mafia games he's played doesn't help hunt for other players, it seems like more of a defense for himself. Then he calls out two players, myself and Helo, trying to draw attention away from himself. None of this reads town to me, at all.



Mentioned this before but it is exactly what he was doing but trying to call someone else out for it.

And he swings a lot. Plenty of contradiction.

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Also grabbing from my notes file there was this :"Yamato filter is kinda pathetic early on and he is trying to make people think it isn’t." (no offense it is a notes file )

I thought I was the initial one to mention your one liners being a problem but it's sheeping? Maybe I missed it but...
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I have to admit you are changing my option of you, But I also have to make sure I don't fall into the trap of "cute cuddly scum"
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Vote count?
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I have an alternate theory on munk-e, nobody wants to defend him again. (it seems) This could mean he is scum that people don’t want to be associated with.
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#468
Guys? Lynch is in like half an hour right?
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Oh so that was why I was so confused. Hmm looking at the votes like this I can't vote for yamato. Considering I am highly suspicious of kick and munk now voting for someone they are both voting for is illogical and I don't like the case as much as I used to.



##unvote

##VoteMunk-E
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#479
As town or scum you would push the other wagon though.
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November 27 2012 02:37 GMT
#486
Just to check do we know if there is three or two scum, it's important. I saw someone mention that there is only two which makes sense.
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#489
If you are town I bet one mafia didn't vote for you.
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November 27 2012 02:44 GMT
#490
Actually I have a whole theory about that which I will post if need be.
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Well maybe I was out of the loop but munk-e seemed to know there were two scum before helo mentioned it. although it is something town should have known by this point anyway.
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November 27 2012 02:46 GMT
#493
yeah but I played back in the days of three mafia with 13 people. (or so) Confused me ^^
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November 27 2012 02:57 GMT
#497
Yeah give us your reads before you depart from this world!
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Hmm, well I will post this quickly not completely thought out (and very, non substantial) but it is the thing I referred to in my other post.


There are three people not voting on monkey aqua kick and munky. Assuming monkey is town there is high chance that one of them would be scum trying to avoid a town flip. I like aqua and really don’t like kick but this is feel based.

If munky is town then kick is probably mafia. If kick is mafia then yamato is town due to voting and if kick is mafia there is a weak association case with CC.
It would make sense to split the voting so not all mafia vote for the same person.
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#506
I was going to mention it but it seemed to obvious.
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Why aqua? I only have a feel read but I am interested in your opinion.
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On November 27 2012 12:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
So vote CC anyone?
also yeah how the hell would I mispost that when the 2 sites look TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
Actually I think out of everyone who didnt vote for Munk-e, aqua looks the scummiest


What site looks different.
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Hmm, I could assume you have used a QT before. But I was trying to trap you with that.
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Pshht fine. It was worth a shot.
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On November 27 2012 13:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually looking through his filter, there seems to be scumhunting going on.
He calls out kickstart for tunneling me, and posts a pretty ok case why kickstart is scum.
I think that the 2 scum where on his wagon


You are talking about aqua? What do you mean by on his wagon? On him or on kickstart? (or someone elses)
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#522
You think both mafia were on munk-e's wagon why is that? There would only need one to continue the wagon unless there was on his wagon that switched. *goes to check*
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Nope once on the munkey wagon officially I don't think anyone budged.
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November 27 2012 11:30 GMT
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On November 27 2012 18:26 Aquanim wrote:
@Mr. Cheesecake: What do you think is important for a good town atmosphere in Day 1? How do you think you contributed to this?


How does this question help? (then again how does the question I am asking now help) hmm *starts searching filters for scum*
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Ok my reason for voting Munk-e was this, I had three lynch canidates yamato, kick, and munkey. kick and munkey were both voting for yamato (which is what I was referring to by with the votes like this) and considering how tight it was it didn't make sense to for lack of a better word "sheep" two of my scum reads.

As for helios I went through his filter recently and found it clean however, it's also as you say completely possible to concoct his cases which was something I didn't take into account.
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November 27 2012 13:32 GMT
#537
Something I came across in the thread. Did oats ever give a reason for saying 1 down 5 to go? Sure it's unlikely that it would happen as mafia normally are far to careful but why on earth would you say something like that.
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#542
We can't mislynch tommorow?
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Yikes
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Going though kicks filter we have raging at bad posting and defending cheese. Defending himself, then we have a list. Mafia LOVE lists lists are the easiest way in the book to post reads without having to commit so much and look like you are doing something. Then filler content for the rest (imo) we also have a messed up meta and yes it is a noobie game but meta actually is larger than you give credit for.

Also oats have ye no faith in your medic /jailkeeper assuming we have both or one of or any to be completely honest or several medics...
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November 27 2012 13:50 GMT
#548
Why are we ignoring kickstart! But yeah to the post above looked into cheese however received only jumbled notes in return so I am glad you sorted it from your perspective.
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November 27 2012 14:00 GMT
#552
Hey quick question is this your first game yamato?
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I think you may have fallen into the trap I fell into the first time I played, initially I thought you were scummy because you weren't contributing and calling others out for that. However that is less likely a scum move (they would be more careful even on first game) and more likely a new town move. I my first game (as town) I THOUGHT I was contributing and because someone called me out for it I tunneled them all game because I knew my intentions were fine I just didn't realize It wasn't clear for everyone else to see. While you haven't exactly done that it might explain the hypocrisy. I need to re read the cases on you but, for now I am far more focused on kick and now cheese a little.
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#556
Humor me and link to those posts.
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Cool now can I have your indepth cases on other people?
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Yes I did ask about your vote on your scum reads if I recall? Now I can't find it... maybe only in my mind. BUT, yamato was a scum read you ahve so the question is the same one basically.
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#565
I took that more as calling him out for bad play, Also I seem to have lost a post somewhere. maybe in one of my tabs I forgot to submit it. (and then closed the tab) however what I intended to say it that apart from calling oats out for bad play not much reading was going on. So now that you have time what do you think about yamatos case on cheese? Why did you think he was scum? and what are your current scum reads atm?
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#566
ebwop: why did you think yamato was scum* also is there a quick way to search the entire thread for one word?
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Hurm... I will chill for a bit and probably sleep ponder on these things. Might see you all in the morning.
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On November 27 2012 23:34 Kickstart wrote:
(to the point of being a detriment - although if that is the case I wish he would just change his posting because I want to lynch scum, not town who are posting bad),


as he himself posted he have to lynch scum, unless our blues are psychic.
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Being asked a million questions at once is an overstatement but also a good thing from town point of view. Away probably gone unless insomnia kicks in.
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Oh just something I have to say so it doesn't keep me up all night. Looking at what munke was saying might be good. at least we know his intentions are pure.
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On November 28 2012 05:38 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:

If this is XXVIII all over again I would be the lesser version of DarthPunk and Cheesecake would be scum SDM trying to not piss off DP. Alright, now I might be going into conspiracy theory territory, but CC seems to be overly friendly to me.

I'm not just talking about him sheeping me yesterday with Yamato, Oats and Helo early on. He also sheeped me after I voted on Munk-E. And now N1 when he lists people who flip-floped during the lynch, he somehow leaves me out. CC, I was the mother of all flip-flopers yesterday, why did you leave me out? Why do you think I'm town? If you are town CC, I urge you to view Kick's and in especially Yamato's efforts with an open mind.


Tbh CC was being friendly with everyone, I believe helios kick and you primarily (although this was back from the start) (there is a another snippet of nothingness for you cheese. But I just woke up and wanted to comment.

Cc likes helios
CC likes kick
Cc likes sdm
Notes he has a lot of spread love


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On November 28 2012 11:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
2-3 people is hardly everyone, Jacob.


Yeah but compared to the competition the second most liked person is helio with two accounts that stood out? Not saying OMG HE LIKES PEOPLE HE MUST BE SCUM or anything just putting down what I have observed.
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#646
Also no flavor? I am disappoint. Congrats to the blue among us you have served us well.
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^ unless.... the mafia role blocker hit a blue then we would have a clear idea assuming we could trust our blue that got hit by the roleblocker. (which is the other problem)
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Well I will let of on kick for the moment so he has the time to formulate cases, (as the only case you had was on oats which back then seemed to be mainly based on how bad he is playing now it holds more weight thought so I need to think about this) however stop defending people from bad cases. Sure they might be bad but if they are town they should be able to point out for themselves it is bad. If they are scum they might panic. Yes if we are going to lynch someone on a bad case point it out by all means. But it's infuriating having people answer questions that aren't directed at them. (although I do this sometimes as well)

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Who is he? I assume you mean kick? I'll find it again and comment.


It seems rather well thought out, (inspired by my munkey is confirmed town lets see what he had to say post?) However one thing he said you had the largest filter int he game about 5 pages. But in checking your filter I see 4 pages with only your latest post in the 4'th page? Formatting error or not paying enough attention to his reads.

But I will re read your reply... actually i can't find it clearly could you link to it?





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On November 28 2012 14:27 yamato77 wrote:
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On November 28 2012 09:22 yamato77 wrote:
i'm at work right now so I don't have a lot of time but that "case" against me is just kick pointing at Munk's read of me and going, "Look! I know you guys already saw this but I think it means something now!" The revelation that Munk-E is town does not make his read on me automatically correct.

For your viewing pleasure.


Well that isn't much on an defense to be completely honest. Just because it isn't automatically right doesn't mean it's wrong. There are still points brought up against you that you need to cover. If you are town take my opinion that it's actually a good case and needs to be discussed in enough detail to prove you innocent. if you are mafia then do whatever lol.

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Unless you already replied to munk-e?
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Yeah haven't been putting any pressure on kick at all 0-0. Oh wait no I have, all game to be precise. But I agree as far as long cases go I haven't done many this game. Mainly because I always update my theory's as I go. I put my thought process in the thread. However as an update as it were oats is becoming more suspicious. (and is playing more like kush does sorry )

This has been based on. originally my read was he was to 'bad' to be scum however he has been doing so many stupid things I am unsure if he has employed it as a tactic. the 1 down 5 to go thing I mentioned has moved him into my limelight as I as well as sonic?(forget who exactly) Almost posted something like that when we were mafia. Only puts him neutral though but before I was reading him town due to style.



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#661
^ that does happen, side effect of being australian. However would just like to note there is potential for a storm so while I should be here I might lose power.
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#666
Again he pops up soon after mentioned. However I doubt examples of your disjointed thoughts are required....
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In regards to your town reads then yeah aqua and helios (although helios is pure feels so I would be interested in your opinion[ok not quite pure feels initialy I was mixing up aqua and helios as they played the same in a way however aqua was doing more than helios so he kinda got a free ride along that however I still lean town feel])

Also I see town motivation in your posts. Not sold on CC but...

People need to respond to arguments against them! Yamato and oats instead of going after the person making the argument you should refute it THEN go after scum reads. Oats needs to reply to CC like SDM said (I need to recheck this argument) and Yamato needs to reply to munk-e/kick.

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Yeah I am waiting for that case xD I have the most fun shutting down people. However considering there were only three truly in lynch situation (imo) yesterday if i went for any you could consider it sheeping. I haven't been pushing a scum read hard because I honestly don't know. As scum this part is easy you pick a poor sod and you harass him and make him look as scum as possible but as town there is more a sea of potential that my poor brain can't handle.

I have however been looking for scum and trying to understand people (hence the questions)
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#677
Also is heloknight not helios... when will I ever remember someones name properly.
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#688
On November 28 2012 20:48 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Reading it right now. It was so long I put it on my things-to-read-later list :p


I do this far too often lol. I need to find CC's case on oats now as oats didn't include it as a quote.
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On November 25 2012 22:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
OH YES FINALLY, you say why my behaviour is scummy. :D
My explanation is that his first 2 posts seem off. What do you want? Cheesecake posted less than 10 posts, how can you garner any evidence from that?


Just something I came across again. With all this talk of CC being scum because he is casual doesn't it seem like you are trying too hard to be town? the "OH YES FINALLY" part is like oh yay i'm a townie and someone is scum reading me! This is so amazing for no reason ever..... Town should just act like town. I admit I like a little enthusiasm but still.
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Yo kick maybe I am just tired for some reason but can you reword that?
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On November 28 2012 21:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
So I should not encourage good cases?
His first post was just a commentary so it wasnt any good.
He then followed it up saying that I voted for CC and it cause confusion which is what mafia do. I dont agree but at least he showed a scum motivation for retardly voting for CC which no one else did.


How can it possibly be a good case if you are town? If you are town you should stop acting in a way that allows for a good case on you. If there is a good case on you as town take it into consideration and actually stop doing what the case says. Saying

*start irl simulation* yay good case you got me haha buddy! Lets go to the pub /end irl simulation doesn't seem like the town thing to do (at least not in that manner.)
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You mean a yamato oats association case? Yet me check my notes... Hmm not a single note of interaction that caught my eye. Either they are avoiding each other or... my notes are limited.....
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On November 28 2012 22:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or I really didnt interact with yamato.. like I didnt react to helo until I made my top scum read post. Like I didnt interact with aqua until recently


Are you defending yourself from an association case?
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Yeah but aqua doesn't seem scummy, helo maybe but... why would you bring up other partners that you could have instead of trying to convince is you don't have a partner at all?
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ebwop: trying to convince us you don't*
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Helo does have a reason for being disconnected. That said you can make your reasons seem bigger than they are. Last scum game I had stuff to do so I got away for not posting a lot early game which allowed me to post even less. But it's kinda null. I guess I could look up exactly when he said he would be away....
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#706
Sure that's fair. He was also creating a post on me supposedly which I want to see.
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I am not sure when this Friday is your time hold up it's still just Thursday here o-0 how much vacation time will that be. Did he say how much he could post on vacation?
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Wait are you talking about his original post? Someone wanted the game to start sooner. Hold up who had the time issues again? I'm confused. *starts searching filters*
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Oh yeah it was him but that was last friday I think, Either way I agree he should post more.
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Oh also helo thinks oats is scum (just harking back the the association cases we were throwing around) While a bus is possible unlikely. (assuming oats is scum... I know... the pros in the obs chat are probably rolling in their... ob's chat?)

Either way that is significant interaction at least recently. So your argument before is void-ish
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November 28 2012 14:44 GMT
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Nice vote count


But that reminds me we should start going into hardcore mode. For the moment I will park my vote on oats for the reasons we have been going though. Although obviously this is prone to change as the tides turn.

##Vote: Oatsmaster
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Yeah well, it is something though.


They always do
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AND THERE'S THE POPCORN!

*cough* sorry
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On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote:
JacobStrangelove


JS is feeling really scummy to me. I didn't really notice this earlier because it felt like he was posting a lot, and he has been; he's got one of the longest filters in the game (after SDM). However, his posts don't have much substance at all. While reading this, keep in mind that he has already played two games as town and one as scum. Relatively speaking, he should know what he's doing.


Oh hey so you know I played two games as town? That's news to me... I haven't read the rest of your case but I will when I get back. Two games as town? That would make me town this game. Oh tell me if I am so scum why am I town? I have only played two games total. One as scum and one as town. Or did your research fail you.

I'll be back.
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Just heads up electrician is coming around 3 or 4 ish so I will lose power but I should have my reply up by then.
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Ebwop for about half an hour
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Greetings heloknight I have been waiting for you. *trumpets* (and I hope this formatting works....)

On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote:
JacobStrangelove


JS is feeling really scummy to me. I didn't really notice this earlier because it felt like he was posting a lot, and he has been; he's got one of the longest filters in the game (after SDM). However, his posts don't have much substance at all. While reading this, keep in mind that he has already played two games as town and one as scum. Relatively speaking, he should know what he's doing.

First of all you were wrong with the number of games played. Secondly I post a lot as town and mafia. Funnily enough I post more massive content as mafia as it aids in confusion and disorientating people. However let us continue into your post.

On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote:
Early Day One:
Early day one, he's posting a lot, and putting out some reads, but not coming to any conclusions. Whenever he puts out an read on someone, he'll also state another read that shows the opposite. He doesn't want to lock himself into one viewpoint, he wants to keep his options open. Examples:
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On November 25 2012 21:49 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I think he is basically doing what you did but with slightly more substance. or he could be trying to start a counter wagon (if he was mafia)

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On November 25 2012 22:06 JacobStrangelove wrote:
But yeah I was thinking along the lines of oats put a target of his back. However some people *cough* kush *cough* use that play even as mafia to variable success.

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On November 27 2012 02:26 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Munk is like a 40-60 coin flip either mafia completely ignored him if he was mafia or they didn't bother defending someone who was town of course.


Ok, there is a difference between thinking though something, being wishy washy and trying to confuse someone.
Something that frustrates me is people that see the world is black and white. Nothing is black in white if it was everybody would be lynched. You have to look into how the person plays (with oats does he play like kush?) You have to consider all the possibilities. If you want meta examples it’s what happened to me in my first town game. Now I am not going to lie. I also used this argument last scum game but the difference was I wasn’t thinking out loud I was trying to be spastic. Ask yourself does this look more like someone putting their thoughts into the chat or like someone trying to confuse people?


On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote:


He'll also just post things that don't have conclusions. Analysis is good as long as a conclusion is made from it, otherwise it is pointless. This is another small thing to make it look like he's contributing while not saying anything at all. Examples:
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On November 26 2012 11:58 JacobStrangelove wrote:
he [yamato] mentioned he was asleep before that (the post people have discussed) which would mean he sleeps for about 11 hours to get to 02:00 my time. Then he waits three hours to post. (this is based of the timings in his filter. however. Give him an hour before bed and that's 10 hours and the possibility of him checking the forum earlier on the first day means he probably just woke up and didn't check for a while.

(while this may look pointless what I am saying is there is some validity for his sleeping story)

This "analysis" shows nothing at all. There's a decent-sized paragraph who's only conclusion is that yamato's 'sleeping story', a minor issue at best, is probably true.
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On November 26 2012 16:17 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Woah, Kickstarter was so nice in The Mario game. Not sure but it looks like a complete meta change. (although going of one game isn't strong) just wondering why the aggressive comments for "bad play" when he claims to have been a victim of that.

Here he comments on Kickstart's meta a little, but he doesn't reach any real conclusions because "going of one game isn't strong".
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On November 27 2012 01:20 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On November 27 2012 00:38 Kickstart wrote:

Mr. Cheesecake: null read. I soft-defended him because I felt like the cases were bad and had no weight, which I think can be agreed upon by everyone. Unfortunatly most of his posting doesn't allow me to have a town read on him because he hasn't done much in the way of sticking his neck out on anything. But on the other hand he has been forced to defend himself for most of Day 1 so I give him a null read thus far.



In the middle of something but I saw this post.

You soft defended him? You appeared to go on a rampage. Also why is that did you just decide to completely change your meta? Something that happened in my scum qt last game was we defined roles. To me this looks like you said I am going to act like this and kinda stuck to it. Maybe you just want to improve your play but just let me know why such a difference.


Another comment on Kickstart's meta, but still doesn't come up with a read for it. He also leaves himself this "backout option" again in case he needs to 180 later.

Basically, early on day one I see what he's doing as posting a lot and trying to look like he's contributing, but not coming up with much. He did post a case on yamato, which is a good point for him. Apart from this, however, nothing.

Do I have no conclusion? Some of these are questions. My conclusion is in the first part of the sentence; my other option is in the second part for example.

“To me this looks like you said I am going to act like this and kinda stuck to it. Maybe you just want to improve your play”
I think he is scum because of this, however he could also be town. It’s wifom I could say you are scum because of this, but then on day one would I really be sure?

With the hour sleep time thing, it is something I do to check up on when people say stuff about their whereabouts in relation to set patterns. After doing the work to find out I may as well let you know the results. The main thing to gather from the section though is yeah, I was suspicious of killing(lol just found this... can’t get over my first game it seems[I meant kick btw]) and asking him questions. Going into the wonderful world of wifom again I would be far more bothered as scum to make other people look like scum wouldn’t I? As town I would merely want to find out if they were scum. So by that logic wouldn’t I be more sure of my “reads” if I was scum?
It’s wifom but think about it. Do my posts have scum or town motivation? Let me answer that question they have town motivation...



On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote:

The Lynch:
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On November 27 2012 02:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Well I have finished everything. I don't want to vote munkey for listed reasons (when is the lynch btw?) but I have to vote before bed. So far I have to go Yamato77 or Kickstart. For the moment while I think I have to go Yamato while I think about the recent developments with kick (incase I fall alseep {3:11am})

##Vote: Yamato77

JS's first vote is on yamato, one of his top two scum reads. He says that he doesn't want to lynch Munk-E for "listed reasons" which I am unable to find, I assume he is wary because no one is defending him. Okay, he votes for his top scum read.
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On November 27 2012 08:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:
hmm I have to admit my main reason for not voting for munkey was because there seemed to be nobody fighting against it. But now that he is active again when it is becoming later in the day it seems scum behaviour (two types of scum the type that chime in late and the type that miss the lynch[but are actually there watching it])

After three votes are on Munk-E and CC considers voting for him, JS "reevaluates" his opinion of him. He first says his reason for not voting Munk-E, but then ignores that reason and comes up with a reason why Munk is now scummy. Now, I personally agree more with the second reason for voting Munk than the first reason for not voting him, but that's not the point here. The point is that he had a reason that he didn't want to lynch Munk, but abandoned it while it was still valid (in his eyes) when people started to vote for Munk. The bolded line doesn't even make sense, those aren't scum strategies.
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On November 27 2012 08:46 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yamato is making me feel bad but if I vote munk-e now it will seem like I am sheeping. Also I don't see how not voting for the guy with the most votes was sheeping (unless he was actually mafia) particularly when people were leaving the one I voted for.

Concerned about being seen as sheeping? Nervous?


I will break this section up,
The listed reasons... First I didn’t see the need to repeat everything I or others said on the topic. But to find the reasons for you.
1. Coin flip
2. I mentioned it was a cop out
3. “Also votes are slowly being put on munkey. While there is no inherent problem with this there is also going to be no opposition to this town has no reason to not vote him and with no opposition mafa don't either. Just food for thought... (ie: mafa probably don't mind us voting for munkey) Little early to tell though. and completely wifom.”
4. I thought yamato was more scum

“but then ignores that reason and comes up with a reason why Munk is now scummy. “

I would like to note that munk-e wasn’t posting before this. Then suddenly he turns up close to lynch. This wasn’t a factor before this point so it wasn’t a reason to have.
“The bolded line doesn't even make sense, those aren't scum strategies.”

It’s one of mine lol I missed almost every lynch until like an hour before last game, (half a hour taken up with reading the thread of course despite actually being a fast reader)

About the sheeping thing, yeah. People often think someone is sheeping without looking at the situation. For example munk-e turned up in what I deemed a scum like manner. Two posts all game and suddenly heaps of posts trying to defend him in the hour before lynch.



On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote:

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On November 27 2012 10:11 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Oh so that was why I was so confused. Hmm looking at the votes like this I can't vote for yamato. Considering I am highly suspicious of kick and munk now voting for someone they are both voting for is illogical and I don't like the case as much as I used to.



##unvote

##VoteMunk-E

And here he actually votes for yamato. He says that he can no longer vote for yamato because Kick and Munk (suddenly someone he is highly suspicious of) are both voting for him. This isn't a valid reason for not voting for your scum read. Just because they are both voting for yamato doesn't make him any less scummy, it just means that Kick and Munk are also suspicious of him. It was possible that Kick and Munk were a scumteam both voting for yamato (???), but it's much more likely that not all of his reads were correct. In fact, one of Munk, Kick, and yamato couldn't be scum because there are only two. Instead of voting for his top scum read, he finds a way to sheep the current wagon. Votecount at the time for reference:
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On November 27 2012 10:06 iamperfection wrote:
Votecount:

Mr. Cheesecake (0): Oatsmaster,Sonic Death Monkey
Oatsmaster(0): Kickstart
Yamato77 (3):Mr. Cheesecake,Sonic Death Monkey,Jacob Strangelove,Munk-E,Kickstart
Munk-E (4):HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey,Yamato77,Mr. Cheesecake
Kickstart (2)Aquanim,Mr. Cheesecake,Oatsmaster
Not voting (0):


If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us.


Currently Munk-e is set to be lynched

less than 2 hours remain





It's important that the point of this section isn't that people voting Munk-E are scum. It's that people sheeping the Munk lynch when they think others are scummier than him is suspicious.

In summary, early on day one, JS tries to look like he's contributing a lot without putting many concrete opinions out there. He gets a scum read on yamato, but votes for Munk instead as the wagon takes off. Trying to look like you are contributing without doing so, not providing clear opinions, and sheeping wagons are all traits of scum.

[Note: I have removed paragraphs from some quotes for length. They do not change the meaning of the quoted portion and no words or sentences have been changed.]

##Vote: JacobStrangelove

So you are saying I sheeped onto munk-e to avoid a lynch on yamato? I would only do this (fine wifom warning) if I was scum with a scum partner yamato.

Why would I want to be connected with a mislynch otherwise? I have to admit I was wrong to vote munk-e but he had just popped up seemed suspicious and I was having some doubts about my yamato case. So I took the chicken’s way out. As scum I could just keep my vote on yamato even if he was my partner. The tide had already changed in munk-e’s disfavour.


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#757
Also oats...


Explain what parts of his case you like why you agree with it... something just do something...
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Ok... what are your thoughts on my reply?
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On November 29 2012 15:48 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:

I haven't read jacob's response to the case btw.


You haven't read my response? Lol don't bother just read yours again

Comments to yamato is there any posts you have made where you mentioned being suspicious of me (I forgot) Or did you just decide to start being suspicious now that two other people are?
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On November 29 2012 16:31 yamato77 wrote:

This also isn't the first time I've had to direct you to posts I've made. Do you even read my filter? Jesus.


Dude I misspelt your name for the entire first day. That doesn't mean I didn't read it just didn't remember it exactly and found it quicker to ask.

On November 29 2012 14:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
I made 2 cases. They were not very good.
Now I have a scum read on Jacob because all he has done is actually ask 1 liners that looked useful but were not useful to town.



In all honestly you could say the same about you but as well as one liners you are avoiding direct questions, not putting out good cases and sheeping like it's going out of fashion.

At the moment there are two main discussions for lynch you and I. While there is plenty of time for people to land a solid case we have two/three situations.

1. Town is completely bamboozled and we are both town.
2. One of us is scum and the other is a wagon set up to counter act it.
3. We are both scum and something went seriously wrong (although I obviously from my perspective know this isn't true)


At the moment the votes are = and yamato is on the fence. Yamato isn't voting yet because he is undecided on us and on kick/cc possibility. Now he could be actually undecided or he could be your scum partner (or just scum if you aren't partnered) waiting for someone to turn the tide so he isn't tied down to a lynch decision. (note this was written before aqua's vote just got side tracked)


First I want helo's current read on oats. Then... something else... For the moment I am just spelling out the situation.





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On November 29 2012 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
What is the point of spelling out the scenarios?
And 2.
If you are town, should the sentance read: 'Oats is scum and his partner setup a counter wagon' ??


Well that is possible.... that would make helos scum though hmm. What I more meant was you jumped on it immediately making it a counter wagon.

But I will extend it, the point of spelling out the scenarios is to avoid a mislynch. if we don't get everything clearly sorted out soon we have far more potential for one.

Helos and everyone that hasn't commented needs to make a clear statement on both oats and I. If oats and I are not your top scum read you should also make a read on them.
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Oh I see what you mean. I was making the options unbiased ^^
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Yeah they will get rid of him immediately. You could speculate that that they wouldn't just to throw us off though. But it is far to risky because he could save the one they go for.
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#832
So the question is knowing they will get rid of him immediately can we base an action with this? I have to admit even the worst breadcrumb would work here....

For example if oats is town with no association case is the yamato case still strong? Yes it was strong without association but it doesn't make sense as I would have associated cc with kick. Then again that is far to logical an association so having helo in the mix is interesting... Well lets put it this way. It is likely he is doctor because he gave us ages to think about it.

Also SDM that is risky like.... risky..... admittedly I see the logic behind it. give me time to think...
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#833
No not scenario one. It's nuts and I like nuts but it's still freaking nuts...
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ahh yes... going out with a bang if he was scum. Hurm...
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#844
Because he would take out the doctor, while possibly surviving another night (depending on the doctors actions if he isn't the doctor) So it is the best one for one trade there is. Still I think by giving us this much time does work in his favor.
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On November 30 2012 00:40 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
God fucking damnit, you're not notified when you're roleblocked, I need to start reading OP before playing. This means we don't know a damn fucking thing.


And this is why we need breadcrumbs... although even then scum could breadcrumb "saving" obvious town. (see thrawn my last scum game he was playing as serial killer but still) It's much more reliable.
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#850
^ I have to admit the not wasting time thing was strange... we got almost 12 hours (if my clock is correct)
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#853
Should we just remain passive and watch a lynch go though on someone that blue claimed? Why not discuss it?
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#855
So you are saying a real blue would let themselves get lynched?
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#860
I am going to search yamato's filter for every mention of helo just a thought brb.
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Yeah I agree it's messed stuff up, but... blanket saying we should still lynch him is odd.
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Yeah but high pressure situation. True I am not sure how to feel about it yet but people often crumble in these situations.
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#871
helo and yamato null read each other all game with little interaction. Not sure where I was going with that but thought I would put it out there. (actually I do know where I was going, was thinking of association cases that would make sense) But as much as I love association cases we should look for scum motivation and behaviors.
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#881
If I was to explain for him it looks indecisive and an attempt to confuse (unlike an attempt to understand) but yeah I would also like to know exactly why you think scum.
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#886
Hey I am just looking though potential possibilities. And yes that isn't helping oats.
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The difference between being confused and trying to confuse... and yes explain exactly why it's far from town thinking and why it's scum thinking.
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Hey there has always been the association case on kick CC. I didn't just forget about it. Just mentioned this one as it came to mind.
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#895
Ok yes calm down, should there be a counter claim? If there is we trade one for one but everything makes sense. Just say oats is our doctor then there would be no counter claim leaving us at the advantage.

However we lose doctor and our most town posters will die later.
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#896
On November 30 2012 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well I say we scum hunt because no one will counterclaim
CAUSE IM TELLING HE TRUTH


In that case we should counter claim because no claim would prove you right. Unless we don't have a doctor but the likely hood of a role block hitting the right target would be insane.
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#898
Also if we lynch oats and he is doctor we lose sdm (or aqua if sdm is an amazing scum) Aqua sdm scum team guys (lol) <-- if that happens I would officially quit life.
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#900
So long story short I think there should be a counter claim.
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#902
On November 30 2012 01:14 Kickstart wrote:
Now I am pissed at Oats and SDM so I can't make sense of shit atm.

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On November 30 2012 01:14 yamato77 wrote:
We could have 2 blues that are both not doctors and neither one could counterclaim, but he would still be fake claiming. Even if we can counterclaim, doing so gives scum a really easy target and we trade Oats for our doc.

I'm not sold on this idea at all.


Oh yeah cop jailkeeper... (I would assume we have two blues) a mass role claim would probably be a bad idea at this point as well.
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But! If they have a role blocker then they can block oats assuming he is doc.
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I thought he was doc too but that was a feel day one read which made no sense. I assume you quoted the wrong post though
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Well it makes it harder not being able to verify a jk claim (with roleblocks not being mentioned)
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Well, if we were to lynch oats anyway what would we get out of it information wise? If we don't and miss we are in terrible state and if we do and hit we are if good state. I think it is almost 50/50 either way now but what is more useful.

For example if oats flips doc we lose sdm in the night. That is two possibly confirmed town. If doc was to claim we would lose doc without losing sdm. If oats is scum we lose nothing (apart from a lesser town if scum takes that path)
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Oh and for the record yamato I did look over cc again and didn't find much inherently scummy.
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On November 30 2012 01:47 yamato77 wrote:
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On November 30 2012 01:44 HeloKnight wrote:
Hm. He's either scum or doc and we would just be blind lynching.

If you think he is scum without the claim, that is how you should act.


True but I think the fact he gave us all the time in the world to decide is positive.

It's 3 am ipl starts in like an hour and I doubt I can last till 1pm if I don't sleep. I could get 7 hours sleep and then 3 hours to work though everything but I don't know.
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#989
Hey awake, in XXVII I posted 2000 thousand word cases on everybody, I out contented everybody to the point they ended up ignoring what I was writing.
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#991
I agree with your first point and your second post. The third is not really a tell and the fourth is a possibility. Checking his filter before though I didn't find anything scummy but a careful scum could get away with the kind of content.
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Well if it seems to obvious who is your opinion on that scum with his legs up?
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On November 30 2012 09:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok that convinces me that CC is scum.


It's not going to convince anyone else.
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He is doc almost for sure in my mind, but logically no. If anyone wasn't leaving a breadcrumb it would be oats and he gave us ages to think. He feels like town he always has but he if almost worse than kush...
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#999
Yes that is what I said, but also I mistyped post and point in my second part of that sentence. Mainly because if felt contrived. Unfortunately he came late enough to get away without the spotlight.
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Wait he kept his vote on kick? I thought he did a big post against munk. That is a little odd.
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Everyone is watching ipl probably lol.
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Ok back sorry something came up... Do we take the gamble? Because there is another scum in the mix if we don't vote for oats. (assuming he is scum) And nobody has a problem voting oats. (until now) which to me gave me the idea scum were on board. This is the same thing I felt but ignored with munk-e.
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#1035
Vote count?
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actually I think the votes are
5 on oats and
2 on aqua
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On November 30 2012 10:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually any decent scum partner will be bussing the hell out of me right now if I am scum, please do not use that as a reason to unvote me.


True.
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*Going though aqua's filter*
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I was just thinking he has no way to defend himself, that is not good from the view of town and could be an opportunity for scum.

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#1046
You are posting far too many jokes without making it obvious it's a poor defense. Normally when I am going into full fluff mode I put a fluff warning. or even mention it's a joke. You can't just say every mistake you make is a joke.
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#1049
I wish kush was playing this game.... at least I understand kush...
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#1054
I would have gone aqua yamato for obvious reasons (he goes neutral but mentions yamato a lot in the posts in the case you mentioned)

But I have the advantage of knowing I am town.
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Considering my scum meta it would be a fetch
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Well the problem I have is if oats isn't scum my reads are on yamato and helo's admittedly helo and aqua kinda blend for me so both have the potential to be scum.
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Yeah I think aqua could be a mislynch which is why I am so hesitant. I agree if I go with my feel read there is no way I can lynch oats. My feel reads later on are normal good but it's still in this stage where I can't be sure.
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Honestly I cam connect yamato to anybody, he was also the counter lynch to munk day one. I would be happier lynching him but that relies on oats being town which logic will kill me for.
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^ true. I am kicking myself for that lynch at the end with munk-e it should have been obvious.
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Where did kick go?
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On November 30 2012 11:00 yamato77 wrote:
Pretty sure no lynch is an option if none of you can make a real decision.


you are part of this decision.
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#1078
Screw this voting my top scum read.


##UnVote

##Vote: Yamato
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I am nobody else is lol. reading your case now.
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On November 30 2012 11:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
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On November 30 2012 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Screw this voting my top scum read.


##UnVote

##Vote: Yamato


Since when is he your top scum read and why? And why do you feel it relevant to throw out a vote on your "top scum read" without a case fucking 50 mins before deadline? Do you really think that will change anything?



Probably not but with oats being townish he is my main scum read. But true it probably won't change anything which is why I am trying to convince myself aqua is scum.
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#1090
He has always been one of my top scum reads. Assuming oats is town then yamato is highly likely to be scum.

Also I am beginning to think oats is town as I have mentioned not sold on aqua what do you want me to do? Not vote on who I think is scum if the votes come down to aqua oats then yes I will vote on one of them.
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#1093
So basically you think yamato, helo or aqua. To be honest with oats spelling it out if he was to die it would make it very clear on so many town reads. (assuming he is town)
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#1098
^ can't get everyone to unvote some aren't here.
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On November 30 2012 11:21 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
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On November 30 2012 11:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont get a notification that I saved you and roleblocks are notified either, so I think you got attacked and I saved you but that is speculation


Terrible scum trap fail the sequel.


lol I had this saved
On November 30 2012 11:17 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
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On November 30 2012 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
3. SDM
Made good posts with logic, strongest town read.


Did you just scum slip? If you saved me you should KNOW that I'm townie, otherwise we'd have a NK.


As medic don't you save your strongest read you can't know anything for sure but thinking about it I won't post till after he does as that could be another attempt at a scum trap.
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#1100
ebwop: I should have quoted the second part. But I am almost sure that oats is town now that said I am not in a sane state of mind.
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#1105
There is no way yamato is getting voted for so

##UnVote

##Vote: Aquanim


Choo Choo!

Now I will leave and convince myself this is right.
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#1106
lol sorry imap
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#1115
Yeah but we won't have the information of one less player. The less people there are the easier it is to find scum with that extra day.
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#1117
Probably yeah. that seems to make sense.
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#1119
I think the vote is 3 to 3, with sonic on no lynch.
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November 30 2012 02:36 GMT
#1125
ok 4/3 in favor of lynching aqua, if anything if he does get into the thread in the last 15 min he will have the shock of his life.
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#1130
On November 30 2012 11:38 HeloKnight wrote:
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On November 30 2012 11:36 JacobStrangelove wrote:
ok 4/3 in favor of lynching aqua, if anything if he does get into the thread in the last 15 min he will have the shock of his life.

No, 4v4 with Oats breaking the tie, right?


True.
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#1133
That is everyones line of reasoning regarding this lynch.
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#1140
Imap I have voted on aqua
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On November 30 2012 12:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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On November 30 2012 12:00 yamato77 wrote:
If Aqua flips town I will destroy you all D3.


At least you'll finally be doing something.


HAHAHAHA
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#1176
ok, we should be able to work out, from now what happened. Most of the people I think are town were on this lynch as well.

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On November 30 2012 12:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm just going to go ahead and confirm Oats doc in my mind. a jk would have claimed because jk/doc is like impossible. I see no reason Oats isn't doc.

Yamato, Helo, Jacob. Scum is two of them.


I agree with this. I will bring out a full on proper case re-hashing everything instead of just assuming people remember everything I have said and understand my intention.
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On November 30 2012 12:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think yamato isnt scum, unless he has the best non town meta that looks like town.
I also think kickstart could be scum


Kick could also be scum yeah. anyway I will continue watching ipl for now think and will be back later with proper cases.
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November 30 2012 08:50 GMT
#1235
Ok I will set about the case making had something really unfortunate happen that delayed me however.

I have created an if I die post detailing the situation for whatever happens with the Nk.

I will be back with a complete case later.
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November 30 2012 09:58 GMT
#1237
I keep going in circles....

I will ignore most of the early game for my posts in that case and focus more on the later days, this is because scum find it easy to hide early in the game anyway. I will post what i was going in circles with just so you know what was up but to quote myself at the start of the last case I abandoned.

Ok I started a case on kickstart then I thought hmm no helo is probably more scum and after reading a bit abandoned it in favour of a case on yamato after writing a bit about that I have been pointed to kick....


So I will spoiler what I was looking at and have a drink and look at the later stages of the game again.



This was my start on yamato. (remember take it for what is is worth I have no confidence in looking at the early stage anymore)

+ Show Spoiler +
So I will re-hash old topics and this will be an extensive case. I did plenty of these as scum but the difference is I will be very clear and precise about my reads and what I think everything means.
I also might not quote the whole thing when referring to things because it is really hard to see the formatting in a word doc.
Why yamato is scum.

He wants to appear active without actually being active in the early stages of the game.

He goes on CC for playing without contributing saying “None of this reads town to me, at all.”

Then a soon as CC replies he folds beginning his first major post which is a defence. Ending with the conclusion of.

“
I'm on the fence about Mr. Cheesecake. His posting is still mostly defending himself, and attacking two players who posted early, me and Helo. That kind of behavior doesn't really indicate alignment, but if he keeps coming after me with posts that don't even address my concerns about him, I'm going to vote for him.

Most of what I've posted so far has been to get a reaction, and it has worked. How people answer questions and accusations are definitely tells.”

He has gone from doesn’t look like town to on the fence and also tries to prohibit CC from going after him with “if he keeps coming after me with posts that don't even address my concerns about him, I'm going to vote for him.”

However there is the “if he doesn’t address the concerns” part I will admit.

Then the hypocrisy.

In regards to oats he says this. “You want my opinion on Oats? He is probably just a bored townie early on because him giving some silly read is just to spark discussion on something.”
When before he said this regarding himself.
“Most of what I've posted so far has been to get a reaction, and it has worked. How people answer questions and accusations are definitely tells.”

Isn’t this the same thing? Why is it silly when oats says it and logical when he says it.

I’ll include this for his clarification but personally I don’t think it changes much.
On November 26 2012 08:23 yamato77 wrote:
Also, to clarify, when I say Oats is a bored townie, calling someone scum really early is just what I think a bored townie would do when no one is posting anything useful. His posting after that is what I mean to be not alignment indicative.



This was my start on kick.
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok I started a case on kickstart then I thought hmm no helo is probably more scum and after reading a bit abandoned it in favour of a case on yamato after writing a bit about that I have been pointed to kick....

So here is the case on why kick is scum.
1. His meta is completely different, he has said many times meta isn’t good in newbie games but I find it very telling. (for example I can get a good grasp of a meta read on sdm and such)
From yamato...

“As far as reads on other people. Kickstarter's sheer aggression when defending Cheesecake against Oats is astounding. He uses vulgar language more than once and seems wholly preoccupied with Oats' vote being on CC. He doesn't even care if other people think Oats is scum necessarily, so why did he vote for him? The play doesn't really make sense because all he did was cause a whole lot of uproar over a play that no one else saw as scummy. If anything, THAT seems like a scum play.”

While you shouldn’t care if other people think someone is scummy as you don’t want to sheep oh great I just talked my way out of this case as well....


I'll be back sorting out who I think is scum properly looking at the thread from a bit before the doc claim and first lynch.
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#1239
On November 30 2012 19:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
SDM, your strat is probably a bad idea if it involves claim/directing blues.
Please dont post it


Why not at least suggest it sounds perfect to me.
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#1240
Had a revelation, might not post until the night post (at least anything that will give scum the advantage I will continue posting for sure)
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November 30 2012 11:04 GMT
#1244
Not from an outside view no, and to be fair not much from an inside view later but it might tie into the revelation which is why posting it sets it up. (ooohhh mystery)


But they won't plan their night actions as he will post it right before the night post before they have time to respond.
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November 30 2012 23:50 GMT
#1279
Staying up that late (or for me getting up that early[only 10am but considering my sleep schedule]) is kinda painful.

I even had dreams about kick scum slipping by posting graphs that were somehow linked to the scum qt.

However the aqua lynch while bad might end up in our favor.
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#1283
On December 01 2012 08:51 Kickstart wrote:
I can read the thread and see how it went down - poorly.


Thanks captain obvious! This is useful information!
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#1286
Personally I think the thread has kinda degenerated a bit. Everyone has. We need to reset, hopefully that happens after the night is over.
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#1329
Ok Sorry about not posting my end of day post, got caught up with a friend who was only down for the day and it went far longer than I expected.

With Sdm dead and the possibility of role blocker my end of day post probably isn't as reliable but it was going to be this. However I didn't even think about sdm dying. HOWEVER, With sdm not being saved I would say that helps oats town ness due to if there was another medic (who decided not to role claim) they wouldn't have been role blocked. The only other possibility is if we have a role blocker who happened to hit the scum that was carrying out the hit and they changed who carried the hit out. (note I am only posting the end of night post now so you know I was actually away)

+ Show Spoiler +
So I decided not to do long case in the night as it would one increase my chances of survival and to be honest I got lazy and figured the Nk could completely changed the dynamic so I decided to settle with this post.

The positive side assuming the doc saves Sdm then mafia has to nk someone else. This means that considering everyone else could be viewed as scum who they hit might reveal a lot of information. (since aqua was probably up until the lynch the scums next choice)

For example, in my opinion CC or I will die tonight (the oats dying scenario is below). This leaves oats, kick yamato and helos and whoever does die between us.

The other option is oats dies and with this reveals completely that sonic is town (due to saving him) Leaving CC who I still have a town read on which leaves kick yamato and helos. Which is actually the optimal situation in my opinion.
Also sdm mentioned a way to confirm oats scum or town, in my opinion this is a way to trick scum into killing him and he actually hasn’t a clue (sorry sonic) But if he does then the game is virtually over. (ok not quite but should be much easier)
Now you are probably thinking how does this help. Well, my feel reads in regard to lynch have been virtually all right (although no doubt I have annoyed some town with the more ambiguous ones)

For example I felt something was wrong with the monkey lynch but I ignored it and voted anyway. It’s obvious I felt something was wrong with aquas lynch but I weighted up the risks and I felt oats was more town. Also I decided we could probably get more information with 0 major risk if we lynched someone else. Although my oats read cannot be backed up yet but I hope it will be this nk.

So, in the first option saying I die. (although it will probably be CC) Sonic is town CC is town oats is town (although I have a list regarding particularly strange oats behaviour below) and yamato helo and kick are the candidates.

In the second option, I don’t need to list it as I will be alive ^^.

Some notes on oats, yeah he still is scum like. He seemed against working out if he is scum or town. He still isn’t helpful. But he felt town and watching the nk will probably help us with this.
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#1330
ebwop: Going to be this should be going to be this (in the spoiler)
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#1331
oh and I didn't read the thread much just read the night post: "The doctor can’t protect the same target two nights in a row. This means if his claim is true, the only ones they can be sure to kill (barring an unlikely JK) is me and Oats."
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#1332
"(this was not what I was talking about earlier in the thread, at that point I was just talking out of my ass because I thought scum would read it and that it would benefit town if they feared Oats could be confirmed D3… I found it a bit interesting Helo had paid attention to and remembered that post but you guys will have to analyze that one)"


CALLED IT, man I'm good...
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December 01 2012 04:27 GMT
#1334
On December 01 2012 13:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually, metareading kick, He is the second scum..


Going purely off meta he is the scummiest person in the game been saying this since day one.
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December 01 2012 04:37 GMT
#1336
Yeah I'll make proper cases later (woke up early two days with still going to bed super late then going out this morning unexpectedly kinda messed with me but this time I think I have all the tools to see the truth. Daylight has broken SDM I will honour (with a u) your demise.
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December 01 2012 09:26 GMT
#1341
Ok I think I have worked out how to nail the scum, I have had all day to think about this so I think I am ready to start. First I will list why oats is the doctor or how we can be 100% positive.

The only way we can have a doctor is if we don't have a jk claim. At this point in the game Jk may as well claim we are at mylo and we need all the info we can get. If we have no jk then we can be sure oats is the doctor.

Also if we had a jk sonic would still be alive. Look at his end on night post the logic is perfect. No doc claim no jk claim. This is assuming two blue roles but it makes the most sense. (and lets be honest we 100% would have a doc or a jk if we only had one blue role (due to no nk night one))

While he has been playing horribly he isn't scum and his claim must be right. (if you are jk or doc claim now)

Second point we can use time to our advantage. A no lynch is best for town (assuming it is mylo not lylo) This gives us three days (including what is left of this one to find and be sure of scum) Now you might be thinking, but we will lose a town in the processes. Yes but the longer and the less people there are the better. Also we still have the doc. They have to kill the doc or someone who isn't the most town player. (because doc would save the most town player) this gives us MONUMENTAL information. (and if he does we can keep no lynching until they hit someone sure the game will drag out but trust me to win it will be worth it)

The way I see it scum would have to pull the greatest feat of all time to win this one.

So Look at my logic oats is town, any objections? Second No lynch is best for town as it proves oats innocent or removes a non confirmed townie. This would leave us with oats who is already basicly proven innocent and at least one other strong town.

(we have 6 players with no lynch it comes down to 5, 2 of those would be confirmed town (whoever oats says he saved which he should post the minute before nk))

At this point the cop should come out with all his bread crumbed reads (if we have a cop) and the game is won. three confirmed town (assuming cop isn't killed and that we have one)

If any of this doesn't make sense let me know, at the moment I think kick and helos are the scum and I will explain why after I finish things and make my cases.
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December 01 2012 11:06 GMT
#1343
Yes but he should claim after the first nk when we no lynch, (or earlier if he wants) if he doesn't come out then what is the point to having a cop? because if we mess that lynch up then there will be no night kill to kill him anyway as we lose. (although have to consider framers etc...)

Also seemed my post was so good it crashed TL what was that?
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December 01 2012 11:07 GMT
#1344
Or was that only my end... hmm everything else was working.
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December 01 2012 11:11 GMT
#1345
nono he should claim right before the nk with his breadcrumbs and reads. that way there is no way mafia gets lucky and kills him. He HAS to claim then that is the only sensible time to claim. And we should no lynch to get this information. Does this make perfect sense?
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December 01 2012 11:14 GMT
#1346
Also another thing on oats, you might say mafia didn't kill anyone night one in order to get a fake doc claim but they would have bread crumbed it other wise. I don't see a single way oats is mafia. Does everyone follow the logic in these posts?
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December 01 2012 11:56 GMT
#1347
Actually no, claim after the night kill, assuming our doc or jk saves the target then it's not helpful. As they will just kill our confirmed blue. Will will have to take the risk of the cop ending up dead before giving up reads assuming we have one.

Although with the no lynch strat they have to kill the doc with this strat. Anyway I think it's perfect. and yes I will get around to the cases just when I have all the time in the world to do it in (assuming everyone agrees with a no lynch I want to make sure everyone understands what I am saying now completely before continuing)
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December 01 2012 14:13 GMT
#1349
On December 01 2012 22:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
COP CLAIM IF YOU WANT, DONT CLAIM IF YOU DONT WANT TO.
Ok Jacob stop talking about cop claiming.


Oats logic, on the very last day where if we lynch wrong we lose if we have a cop he should 100% claim. But he shouldn't claim now if he doesn't want to but yes I will stop talking about it now.

I have also realized that without sonic and aqua there isn't anyone on to talk to at this point in time. Either way the one thing we should 100% do is vote no lynch.

##Vote: No Lynch
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December 01 2012 14:37 GMT
#1352
The extra information will or should be enough to convince the town of exactly who is scum. Also it gives us two extra days at least which scum can't handle (known fact that scum crumble as the game goes on) The scum game I was in we won but if it has gone for 2 hours more we would have lost for sure. Anyway I am going to bed I will get around to these cases I promise just we should have all the time in the world anyway.

Yeah yamato isn't dying lol, I want yamatos opinion reading what I said confirming oats as town do you still have the same opinion of CC? I think Aquas lynch considering we can confirm oats was probably in the long run the best thing that could have happened. (besides hitting scum)

Now I know I have been against you all game but try to put that aside. Sonic was with me on this and if you don't trust me trust sonic.
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December 01 2012 16:08 GMT
#1360
On December 02 2012 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im pretty sure he cant, thats why no claim, I am also wary of a framer if I am the cop.

Anyway, what do you think about kickstarts switch in meta?


The whole framer thing would make perfect sense to the cops actions (yes didn't manage to sleep) Was trying to reset schedule but I have worked out a way to almost prove the cop as a cop depending in the reads he gives (this is completely assuming he exists and I want to be ambiguous for now but it makes even more sense. Oats you have revealed the way. I didn't realize about the framing but now all this work makes sense.
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December 01 2012 16:09 GMT
#1362
See he can't on his own but if he gives the reads I think he will then I can end the game for him. Although I am getting ahead of myself the sensible thing to do would be to wait for the nk's and such...
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December 01 2012 16:16 GMT
#1366
^ that would be optimal if everyone shows up in the thread.
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December 01 2012 16:30 GMT
#1372
Yeah lol I was like... I better double check my logic on that one are we sure he isn't town?
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December 01 2012 16:30 GMT
#1373
ebwop: scum*
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#1376
I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING SO BAD BUT I HAVE TO WAIT *vents* will mention it in the morning..... (assuming everything falls into place) CC you are so right but I can't explain it. I did bread crumb (very lazily) what I want to say a while back which shows you I am not just waiting for anything to happen. (don't bother looking for it lol)
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December 01 2012 16:42 GMT
#1377
I seriously need to sleep...
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December 01 2012 16:43 GMT
#1379
But we are so close! So close...... *snore*
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December 02 2012 00:56 GMT
#1422
Dude... scum probably know if I know it the only one that doesn't know it is CC I am not blue I am town. Yamato if you are cop claim I know I can confirm you blue.
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December 02 2012 01:03 GMT
#1425
Yamato! I covered why he is 100% town with no assumptions. I know why you are acting so strange if you aren't cop I can't prove that you are town if you are I can,

Day one scum didn't kill anyone. We must have a jk or doctor. Unless scum didn't kill anyone and tried to fake claim. But if they were that smart they would have breadcrumbed.

Day two sonic dies. We must have a doctor not a Jk or sonic would be alive.

What more do you need!
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#1427
On December 02 2012 10:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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On December 02 2012 09:56 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Dude... scum probably know if I know it the only one that doesn't know it is CC I am not blue I am town. Yamato if you are cop claim I know I can confirm you blue.


I have no idea what that sentence means.


It means I am not cop but I am like 99% sure yamato is. I need him to claim because I have a fool proof way of knowing if his claim is read depending on his reads. I can't say more because I need his reads to confirm him and if I say more scum might pick up in my train of thought.
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December 02 2012 01:05 GMT
#1428
ebwop claim is right*
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December 02 2012 01:07 GMT
#1429
I am praying that yamato is cop and claims right now..... honestly it's all worked out. I just need the claim...
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December 02 2012 01:08 GMT
#1430
I was trying to be ambiguous because the less I say the more I can be sure I am right. (don't want to give information away until after this)
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December 02 2012 01:18 GMT
#1431
I can explain everything but yamato needs to calm down and think I know why you are frustrated but I can even explain this. For one if you do think oats and cc are a scum team you can trust me right?

Secondly we can't mess the lynch up so we need the claim now. (assuming we don't only have one blue role)
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December 02 2012 01:20 GMT
#1433
Well... that doesn't help....
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December 02 2012 01:21 GMT
#1434
Well assuming cop would have breadcrumbed his reads I can say it. I thought yamato was cop who got a scum read on oats due to a frame. Same could have happened for a cc read but now I need to rethink.
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December 02 2012 01:25 GMT
#1436
Anyway, I need to convince you oats at least is confirmed town. Read the logic slowly and put away bias. He HAS to be blue. We can't have no blue due to sdm alive they can't have set it up because one how would they know there is no blue and secondly they would have breadcrumed a set up. Plenty of other reasons but those two alone should explain it.
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December 02 2012 01:26 GMT
#1437
On December 02 2012 10:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jacob, I thought you subtly claimed doc to me earlier. So confused right now.


I was trying to keep it ambiguous so that yamato would claim. Unfortunately I slept right when you made that comment about me being cop. I would LOVE to be cop but no I am not.
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December 02 2012 01:29 GMT
#1438
hear let me find the very lazy breadcrumb I made for this (note very lazy)

Actually now I see it in the morning it is horrible. But hopefully you can see what I was getting at.

"The whole framer thing would make perfect sense to the cops actions (yes didn't manage to sleep) Was trying to reset schedule but I have worked out a way to almost prove the cop as a cop depending in the reads he gives (this is completely assuming he exists and I want to be ambiguous for now but it makes even more sense.

Oats you have revealed the way. I didn't realize about the framing but now all this work makes sense. (yamato trying to hard to lynch oats)"

Now you might think it's horrible and yes it is but it's also pointless as actual information considering I went thought that just before.

I was trying to breadcrumb that I thought oats was framed and all the work (or stubbonness) made sense...

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December 02 2012 01:32 GMT
#1439
But I still think yamato is town as he is the only one that doesn't get oats is 100% town. Where as the scum would see the logic and have to agree with it. (which helos did and killing didn't comment on)
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December 02 2012 01:34 GMT
#1440
And they would agree easier knowing his alignment ^^
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December 02 2012 01:42 GMT
#1446
There is no way oats can be scum (funny you mention it right after I call you out for not mentioning it) the logic doesn't allow it.

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December 02 2012 01:45 GMT
#1448
Either way we shouldn't lynch CC today, their is too much variable and if yamato is town he might get confused. I would still say no lynch but with no cop that just means I die. (or oats) (also funny how kick says cop should claim now when there is likely no cop)

I would lynch kick his counter argument all game has been meta is a bad read. No it isn't if you post good cases on people with solid thought one game as town you don't just stop posting good cases next game.
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December 02 2012 01:48 GMT
#1449
But the logic doesn't allow him to be scummy anymore so why bother?

Here is a test 1+1= ? If I told you the answer was 2 would you believe me?

It's black and white logic in this scenario. I think kick and helos are praying on yamatos mind to get the only lynch they can get.

JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 01:50 GMT
#1452
From kicks filter on his initial defence

"And so what if I have only pushed my Oats and Yamato scum reads, they are who I found most scummy. Oats not anymore but still Yamato. "

and just then
"I would not want to chance lynching him now without something extremely solid saying he is scum" <-- referring to oats

Is this a contradiction?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 01:52 GMT
#1455
Hey I was the one who said it ended up being good play. Even after the lynch went green it was good play. Because it confirmed oats and we didn't lose two confirmed town (sdm and oats) I went with aqua because the bigger risk was on oats who felt town and claimed doc and has been playing bad enough to not leave a breadcrumb.

JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 01:54 GMT
#1456
On December 02 2012 10:52 Kickstart wrote:
Are you daft, they say the exact same thing. Can you please make serious posts with so much riding on this day period.




Can you please stop insulting me for no reason? What I meant was you said oats wasn't a scum read then you said he was a possibility. (not 100% town) unless....
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 01:58 GMT
#1459
Ok the only possible teams are yamato helos and kick helos. All you guys are against CC. Which means mafia picked up on one town being confused and are going hard core with it. There is only one options for mafia to survive and that is a mislynch. Oats is impossible if you think though the logic. I have nobody on me and the only possible mislynch is CC.

But in both these teams helos is mafia. I think yamato is the confused town. So a helos vote would be safest.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 01:59 GMT
#1460
On December 02 2012 10:55 Kickstart wrote:
I really don't need to say anything else. You thought that that was a good play AND that Oats is/was 100% confirmed.... really?


he WAS more valuable alive and seemed MORE town and he IS 100% confirmed now.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 02:05 GMT
#1466
Seems we do. Amazing defense the crowd bows trumpets blow.

Look I am good at this sort of thing. First newbie game (playing as town) it got down to the last lynch I realized everything and saved the game. My second game (playing as mafia) I was confused up until the last lynch of course and thought everything was wrong.

Either way I am lynching helos town needs to lynch the same person or we lose. I will force the lynch on helos if I must. I did this in my first town game forcing the lynch on sonic and I will do it again if I must.


##unvote
##Vote: HeloKnight
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 02:07 GMT
#1470
On December 02 2012 11:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
I want to shout at yamato so much.
Kickstart, why would CC try to gain support for the Aqua lynch then?
You said that scum would want to lynch a probable blue,
Also If we no lynch today, I die so thats not so good.
##Unvote
##Vote: HeloKnight


I want to shout at both of you so much but that won't help the game move forward.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 02:09 GMT
#1473
On December 02 2012 11:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm just confused who my scumbuddy is supposed to be. Kick/yamato/ and Helo are against me. None of them are candidates. Oats is doctor, and we've been attacking each other forever. Jacob I thought was cop, lol.

One of Yamato or Kickstart is confused as hell right now. I can't help but think it's Yamato, he's had it out for me ever since I nearly lynched him.



This is something I fall into a lot was playing along minding my own business in my first game suddenly this guy called killing makes one case on me and I explode. Tunnel him for like 3 days a week at least actual time. Thankfully I didn't lynch him but...
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 02:10 GMT
#1475
On December 02 2012 11:09 Kickstart wrote:
I can't be 100% certain why he would do that. I can only come up with theories. What seems most likely to me at the moment is that he is going for town cred and trying to push a lynch with his new "cred". He switches off of you, lynching Aqua. Right there he has secured your vote and gotten rid of a vote that may not go his way, now all he needs is one more vote, and with a scum partner he has all the votes he needs.
This is even more evident to me because after the Aqua lynch he immediately goes into how much of a good play it was and how town he is - and then tries to push a course of action for day 3. So right now I think Cheese is scum and tried to gain some quick town cred and push his agenda with it.



Actually I think I pushed the agenda day 3. Just sayin'
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 02:15 GMT
#1479
On December 02 2012 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
He wanted a no-lynch when we thought there was a cop.


This is true. I pushed the agenda of who was town with the logic regarding oats I would like someone to actually try and refute that logic anyone?

I pushed who I thought were scum based on this.

JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 02:18 GMT
#1481
On December 02 2012 11:16 Kickstart wrote:
This is so shit. I don't feel comfortable with anyone and if I get this wrong we lose the game.


This was exactly my scum strategy last game. Being indecisive. if you are actually indecisive vote helos. You know why? Because if you are scum or town he is still scum. I mentioned this before.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 02:21 GMT
#1483
I have to be, if I wasn't I could be swayed easy.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 02:31 GMT
#1487
^ This, read this twice at least.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:00 GMT
#1501
If you still have doubts there is a thought experiment to get rid of bias. If you are town hear me out. Re-read CC's filter pretending he is town. Then after that think about if he is town or scum.

Look at the way he is acting, it is so town like.

But to convince you oats is doc.

Nobody died night one. We have to have a doc or a jk or else someone would have died.

We still have no claim on a day where you have to claim.

We can't have a jk instead of a doc anyway because sonic died night 2 where doc can't save the same person.

Oats has played bad enough to not have made a breadcrumb.

if oats was scum fake claiming why did nobody die night one? One possibility they wanted to fake claim doc. but if they did a tactic that advanced they would have make a breadcrumb.

This is why oats is doc 100% if you are not happy with this what part is wrong?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:01 GMT
#1502
There are no other possibility's. try think of one.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:04 GMT
#1506
On December 02 2012 12:03 yamato77 wrote:
JK misplayed Night 2 or got roleblocked by mafia.


No claim. Checkmate.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:04 GMT
#1507
Try again.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:08 GMT
#1514
If they haven't claimed they are stupid. We lose if we lynch wrong. This is the point we have to have all blues claim.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:10 GMT
#1515
On December 02 2012 12:07 yamato77 wrote:
Look, you guys are playing like there is zero doubt which is impossible in a game like this. It's fucking weird.


I spent an entire day just running though blue possibility in my head. There is zero doubt as to oats being town.

Try again. And please try and thing about something we haven't already discussed.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:18 GMT
#1521
I think you got the wrong idea with this (oats)... But it's irrelevant.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:27 GMT
#1529
Not quite what I meant you were both missing each other but that is true.

Put it this way, oats cc and I are all on helo. One of us must be town at the very least which means town needs to all be on the same person or we lose. So either lose or vote helo.

So wait does a jacob/ CC scum team make sense?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:35 GMT
#1536
Oh cool..

But if it helps look at my end game play for both my other games. My meta is spot on. Do you seriously think I am scum? If not CC/jacob team makes no sense.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:38 GMT
#1539
Yeah, I'll get the alcohol ready for the after party.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 03:42 GMT
#1544
Might even be why he was out of the thread so long. But either way I might rest. Think after that I need to.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 04:58 GMT
#1578
Yes!
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 05:11:40
December 02 2012 05:11 GMT
#1589
Yeah it wasn't a bad game over all. I have to admit while the game was probably already lost at the very end kick telling the only non committed town that he was a scum read wasn't the best idea But still played a good game over all.

Helos I thought was blue forever because he wasn't super active but appeared so cuddly and cute (or... something).

EDIT! (because I can)
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 05:59 GMT
#1604
The Obs thread is amazing.

JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 06:07 GMT
#1608
My early game town needs some work though I almost feel ehh, I may as well just wait till late game. Although I picked up on kick I just didn't follow though.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 06:10 GMT
#1612
Hahah
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 06:13 GMT
#1617
On December 02 2012 15:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 15:11 yamato77 wrote:
On December 02 2012 15:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On December 02 2012 15:09 yamato77 wrote:
Clarity_nl
11-28-2012
10:03 PM ET (US)
The entire town is gonna wake up tomorrow and vote oats, oats is gonna claim medic saving SDM, no counterclaim means he's telling the truth. Then they lynch someone and he dies during night.

HE CALLED IT


Apparently this wasn't true. :p

I'm bad.


Everyone was bad.


Let's all be bad together *opens wine* if you know what I mean (no wait that wasn't what I meant...)
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 06:15 GMT
#1620
On December 02 2012 15:12 DarthPunk wrote:
I also want to thank all of you for playing in this game. It was hilarious to watch and made the obs qt one of the best I have ever partaken in.


I have to thank the obs thread, great popcorn posting and post game amusement.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 14:08 GMT
#1638
On December 02 2012 23:06 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
WTF did we actually win this game?


LOL DIDN'T YOU REALISE?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 14:30:01
December 02 2012 14:29 GMT
#1645
^ Well yeah I didn't talk myself out of my town read on aqua. I was mostly sure you were town so you played well in that regards, I just realized the consequences and thought oats was just as town. Also I was so sad when you got lynched though. Had nobody to talk to for most of my day with sonic and you gone *sob*
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 14:31 GMT
#1647
I am beginning to think lynching lurkers is often bad for town as scum is terrified of a lurker lynch they have to post. I say lynching the third lurkiest person would have a higher hit rate than the most lurky.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
December 02 2012 14:35 GMT
#1649
On December 02 2012 23:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 23:31 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I am beginning to think lynching lurkers is often bad for town as scum is terrified of a lurker lynch they have to post. I say lynching the third lurkiest person would have a higher hit rate than the most lurky.


Lol.

Lurker lynch generally is to get scum to post, and a last resort. Only lurker lynch if you truly have no scumreads at the end of D1.


Yeah exactly though! But you can meta game it and randomly lynch the third guy. (I know it's stupid) But it so totally is my first move next game ^^
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