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On November 29 2012 16:31 yamato77 wrote:
This also isn't the first time I've had to direct you to posts I've made. Do you even read my filter? Jesus.
Dude I misspelt your name for the entire first day. That doesn't mean I didn't read it just didn't remember it exactly and found it quicker to ask.
On November 29 2012 14:59 Oatsmaster wrote: I made 2 cases. They were not very good. Now I have a scum read on Jacob because all he has done is actually ask 1 liners that looked useful but were not useful to town.
In all honestly you could say the same about you but as well as one liners you are avoiding direct questions, not putting out good cases and sheeping like it's going out of fashion.
At the moment there are two main discussions for lynch you and I. While there is plenty of time for people to land a solid case we have two/three situations.
1. Town is completely bamboozled and we are both town. 2. One of us is scum and the other is a wagon set up to counter act it. 3. We are both scum and something went seriously wrong (although I obviously from my perspective know this isn't true)
At the moment the votes are = and yamato is on the fence. Yamato isn't voting yet because he is undecided on us and on kick/cc possibility. Now he could be actually undecided or he could be your scum partner (or just scum if you aren't partnered) waiting for someone to turn the tide so he isn't tied down to a lynch decision. (note this was written before aqua's vote just got side tracked)
First I want helo's current read on oats. Then... something else... For the moment I am just spelling out the situation.
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On November 29 2012 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote: What is the point of spelling out the scenarios? And 2. If you are town, should the sentance read: 'Oats is scum and his partner setup a counter wagon' ??
Well that is possible.... that would make helos scum though hmm. What I more meant was you jumped on it immediately making it a counter wagon.
But I will extend it, the point of spelling out the scenarios is to avoid a mislynch. if we don't get everything clearly sorted out soon we have far more potential for one.
Helos and everyone that hasn't commented needs to make a clear statement on both oats and I. If oats and I are not your top scum read you should also make a read on them.
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Oh I see what you mean. I was making the options unbiased ^^
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Yeah they will get rid of him immediately. You could speculate that that they wouldn't just to throw us off though. But it is far to risky because he could save the one they go for.
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So the question is knowing they will get rid of him immediately can we base an action with this? I have to admit even the worst breadcrumb would work here....
For example if oats is town with no association case is the yamato case still strong? Yes it was strong without association but it doesn't make sense as I would have associated cc with kick. Then again that is far to logical an association so having helo in the mix is interesting... Well lets put it this way. It is likely he is doctor because he gave us ages to think about it.
Also SDM that is risky like.... risky..... admittedly I see the logic behind it. give me time to think...
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No not scenario one. It's nuts and I like nuts but it's still freaking nuts...
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ahh yes... going out with a bang if he was scum. Hurm...
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Because he would take out the doctor, while possibly surviving another night (depending on the doctors actions if he isn't the doctor) So it is the best one for one trade there is. Still I think by giving us this much time does work in his favor.
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On November 30 2012 00:40 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: God fucking damnit, you're not notified when you're roleblocked, I need to start reading OP before playing. This means we don't know a damn fucking thing.
And this is why we need breadcrumbs... although even then scum could breadcrumb "saving" obvious town. (see thrawn my last scum game he was playing as serial killer but still) It's much more reliable.
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^ I have to admit the not wasting time thing was strange... we got almost 12 hours (if my clock is correct)
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Should we just remain passive and watch a lynch go though on someone that blue claimed? Why not discuss it?
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So you are saying a real blue would let themselves get lynched?
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I am going to search yamato's filter for every mention of helo just a thought brb.
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Yeah I agree it's messed stuff up, but... blanket saying we should still lynch him is odd.
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Yeah but high pressure situation. True I am not sure how to feel about it yet but people often crumble in these situations.
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helo and yamato null read each other all game with little interaction. Not sure where I was going with that but thought I would put it out there. (actually I do know where I was going, was thinking of association cases that would make sense) But as much as I love association cases we should look for scum motivation and behaviors.
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If I was to explain for him it looks indecisive and an attempt to confuse (unlike an attempt to understand) but yeah I would also like to know exactly why you think scum.
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Hey I am just looking though potential possibilities. And yes that isn't helping oats.
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The difference between being confused and trying to confuse... and yes explain exactly why it's far from town thinking and why it's scum thinking.
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Hey there has always been the association case on kick CC. I didn't just forget about it. Just mentioned this one as it came to mind.
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