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On November 28 2012 22:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Or I really didnt interact with yamato.. like I didnt react to helo until I made my top scum read post. Like I didnt interact with aqua until recently Are you defending yourself from an association case? | ||
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Either way that is significant interaction at least recently. So your argument before is void-ish | ||
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 But that reminds me we should start going into hardcore mode. For the moment I will park my vote on oats for the reasons we have been going though. Although obviously this is prone to change as the tides turn. ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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They always do | ||
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*cough* sorry | ||
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On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote: JacobStrangelove JS is feeling really scummy to me. I didn't really notice this earlier because it felt like he was posting a lot, and he has been; he's got one of the longest filters in the game (after SDM). However, his posts don't have much substance at all. While reading this, keep in mind that he has already played two games as town and one as scum. Relatively speaking, he should know what he's doing. Oh hey so you know I played two games as town? That's news to me... I haven't read the rest of your case but I will when I get back. Two games as town? That would make me town this game. Oh tell me if I am so scum why am I town? I have only played two games total. One as scum and one as town. Or did your research fail you. I'll be back. | ||
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On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote: JacobStrangelove JS is feeling really scummy to me. I didn't really notice this earlier because it felt like he was posting a lot, and he has been; he's got one of the longest filters in the game (after SDM). However, his posts don't have much substance at all. While reading this, keep in mind that he has already played two games as town and one as scum. Relatively speaking, he should know what he's doing. First of all you were wrong with the number of games played. Secondly I post a lot as town and mafia. Funnily enough I post more massive content as mafia as it aids in confusion and disorientating people. However let us continue into your post. On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote: Early Day One: Early day one, he's posting a lot, and putting out some reads, but not coming to any conclusions. Whenever he puts out an read on someone, he'll also state another read that shows the opposite. He doesn't want to lock himself into one viewpoint, he wants to keep his options open. Examples: Ok, there is a difference between thinking though something, being wishy washy and trying to confuse someone. Something that frustrates me is people that see the world is black and white. Nothing is black in white if it was everybody would be lynched. You have to look into how the person plays (with oats does he play like kush?) You have to consider all the possibilities. If you want meta examples it’s what happened to me in my first town game. Now I am not going to lie. I also used this argument last scum game but the difference was I wasn’t thinking out loud I was trying to be spastic. Ask yourself does this look more like someone putting their thoughts into the chat or like someone trying to confuse people? On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote: He'll also just post things that don't have conclusions. Analysis is good as long as a conclusion is made from it, otherwise it is pointless. This is another small thing to make it look like he's contributing while not saying anything at all. Examples: This "analysis" shows nothing at all. There's a decent-sized paragraph who's only conclusion is that yamato's 'sleeping story', a minor issue at best, is probably true. Here he comments on Kickstart's meta a little, but he doesn't reach any real conclusions because "going of one game isn't strong". Another comment on Kickstart's meta, but still doesn't come up with a read for it. He also leaves himself this "backout option" again in case he needs to 180 later. Basically, early on day one I see what he's doing as posting a lot and trying to look like he's contributing, but not coming up with much. He did post a case on yamato, which is a good point for him. Apart from this, however, nothing. Do I have no conclusion? Some of these are questions. My conclusion is in the first part of the sentence; my other option is in the second part for example. “To me this looks like you said I am going to act like this and kinda stuck to it. Maybe you just want to improve your play” I think he is scum because of this, however he could also be town. It’s wifom I could say you are scum because of this, but then on day one would I really be sure? With the hour sleep time thing, it is something I do to check up on when people say stuff about their whereabouts in relation to set patterns. After doing the work to find out I may as well let you know the results. The main thing to gather from the section though is yeah, I was suspicious of killing(lol just found this... can’t get over my first game it seems[I meant kick btw]) and asking him questions. Going into the wonderful world of wifom again I would be far more bothered as scum to make other people look like scum wouldn’t I? As town I would merely want to find out if they were scum. So by that logic wouldn’t I be more sure of my “reads” if I was scum? It’s wifom but think about it. Do my posts have scum or town motivation? Let me answer that question they have town motivation... On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote: The Lynch: JS's first vote is on yamato, one of his top two scum reads. He says that he doesn't want to lynch Munk-E for "listed reasons" which I am unable to find, I assume he is wary because no one is defending him. Okay, he votes for his top scum read. After three votes are on Munk-E and CC considers voting for him, JS "reevaluates" his opinion of him. He first says his reason for not voting Munk-E, but then ignores that reason and comes up with a reason why Munk is now scummy. Now, I personally agree more with the second reason for voting Munk than the first reason for not voting him, but that's not the point here. The point is that he had a reason that he didn't want to lynch Munk, but abandoned it while it was still valid (in his eyes) when people started to vote for Munk. The bolded line doesn't even make sense, those aren't scum strategies. Concerned about being seen as sheeping? Nervous? I will break this section up, The listed reasons... First I didn’t see the need to repeat everything I or others said on the topic. But to find the reasons for you. 1. Coin flip 2. I mentioned it was a cop out 3. “Also votes are slowly being put on munkey. While there is no inherent problem with this there is also going to be no opposition to this town has no reason to not vote him and with no opposition mafa don't either. Just food for thought... (ie: mafa probably don't mind us voting for munkey) Little early to tell though. and completely wifom.” 4. I thought yamato was more scum “but then ignores that reason and comes up with a reason why Munk is now scummy. “ I would like to note that munk-e wasn’t posting before this. Then suddenly he turns up close to lynch. This wasn’t a factor before this point so it wasn’t a reason to have. “The bolded line doesn't even make sense, those aren't scum strategies.” It’s one of mine lol I missed almost every lynch until like an hour before last game, (half a hour taken up with reading the thread of course despite actually being a fast reader) About the sheeping thing, yeah. People often think someone is sheeping without looking at the situation. For example munk-e turned up in what I deemed a scum like manner. Two posts all game and suddenly heaps of posts trying to defend him in the hour before lynch. On November 29 2012 11:35 HeloKnight wrote: And here he actually votes for yamato. He says that he can no longer vote for yamato because Kick and Munk (suddenly someone he is highly suspicious of) are both voting for him. This isn't a valid reason for not voting for your scum read. Just because they are both voting for yamato doesn't make him any less scummy, it just means that Kick and Munk are also suspicious of him. It was possible that Kick and Munk were a scumteam both voting for yamato (???), but it's much more likely that not all of his reads were correct. In fact, one of Munk, Kick, and yamato couldn't be scum because there are only two. Instead of voting for his top scum read, he finds a way to sheep the current wagon. Votecount at the time for reference: + Show Spoiler + On November 27 2012 10:06 iamperfection wrote: Votecount: Mr. Cheesecake (0): Oatsmaster(0): Yamato77 (3): Munk-E (4):HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey,Yamato77,Mr. Cheesecake Kickstart (2)Aquanim, Not voting (0): If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Munk-e is set to be lynched less than 2 hours remain It's important that the point of this section isn't that people voting Munk-E are scum. It's that people sheeping the Munk lynch when they think others are scummier than him is suspicious. In summary, early on day one, JS tries to look like he's contributing a lot without putting many concrete opinions out there. He gets a scum read on yamato, but votes for Munk instead as the wagon takes off. Trying to look like you are contributing without doing so, not providing clear opinions, and sheeping wagons are all traits of scum. [Note: I have removed paragraphs from some quotes for length. They do not change the meaning of the quoted portion and no words or sentences have been changed.] ##Vote: JacobStrangelove So you are saying I sheeped onto munk-e to avoid a lynch on yamato? I would only do this (fine wifom warning) if I was scum with a scum partner yamato. Why would I want to be connected with a mislynch otherwise? I have to admit I was wrong to vote munk-e but he had just popped up seemed suspicious and I was having some doubts about my yamato case. So I took the chicken’s way out. As scum I could just keep my vote on yamato even if he was my partner. The tide had already changed in munk-e’s disfavour. | ||
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Explain what parts of his case you like why you agree with it... something just do something... | ||
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On November 29 2012 15:48 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I haven't read jacob's response to the case btw. You haven't read my response? Lol don't bother just read yours again Comments to yamato is there any posts you have made where you mentioned being suspicious of me (I forgot) Or did you just decide to start being suspicious now that two other people are? | ||
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but if I vote munk-e now it will seem like I am sheeping. Also I don't see how not voting for the guy with the most votes was sheeping (unless he was actually mafia) particularly when people were leaving the one I voted for.
