EPTYamato, Oats, Helo, I'd very much like you to prove me wrong. Make some cases beyond superficial comments on already heavily discussed players. Chasing our collective tails on Oatsmaster and Munk-E only earned us a mislynch on day one.
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Yamato, Oats, Helo, I'd very much like you to prove me wrong. Make some cases beyond superficial comments on already heavily discussed players. Chasing our collective tails on Oatsmaster and Munk-E only earned us a mislynch on day one. | ||
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On November 28 2012 20:22 Oatsmaster wrote: 6. My wrong post about having to get a scum this lynch or town loses was speculation and A NULL READ. I'll make my own decision about what constitutes a null read kthx. For the record, this always seemed to me to be either a "player-not-paying-any-attention-to-the-game" read or scum trying really, really hard to look like derptown... a familiar feeling for me at this point, honestly. | ||
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Thought-out stuff like this is what I'd really like to see from Oatsmaster and most of the players in the States. | ||
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On November 29 2012 12:04 iamperfection wrote: Votecount: Oatsmaster (2): Jacob Strangelove,Sonic Death Monkey Jacob Strangelove (2) HeloKnight,Oatsmaster Not voting (4):Aquanim,Mr. Cheesecake,Yamato77,Kickstart,Oatsmaster If you see your (or another's ) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Currently Oatsmaster is set to be lynched 24 hours remain Oatsmaster isn't voting and not simultaneously, is he? Not a critical error at this point (anyone reading the thread really ought to know where Oatsmaster's vote is, after all) but it might propagate. | ||
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On November 29 2012 17:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Maybe I have 2 votes? hey aqua what do you think about helo's case on Jacob? It's plausible. Then again, I know first hand how difficult it is to totally engage with the game and get good reads in Oz. I want to see what context each of those quotes is in and make my own judgement, and that'll take a while. Hasn't changed my opinion of Helo much, though. It was at "town or half-decent scum" before, and that's still where it is. I believe he has availiability problems, which I can sympathise with, but I can see an entirely plausible scum motive in everything he's done. In other news... | ||
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It's kinda difficult to substantiate a read like this, but I have a few points: 1) The Cheesecake vote. This is in some ways a townish move - it started the first real discussion and got the real game underway. I was particularly liking this because I too had a difficult-to-define scum read from CC's first handful of posts. On the other hand, we discussed Oatsmaster's vote around and around through all of day one, and didn't really accomplish that much with it (he was just too random to lynch). Perhaps this was his intention? 2) These posts: On November 27 2012 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote: also to everyone who said that I tunneled CC, You do not understand what tunneled MEANS. On November 28 2012 08:56 Oatsmaster wrote: I see the folly of my bad play d1, but if it helps us to find scum, I am fine with it. This would seem to indicate to me that he isn't just playing badly, he's aware of what he is doing. I mean, his posts were kinda better day two until the lolswitch onto Jacob (and tbh I think there's a worthwhile case to be made on Helo out there) but still... 3) The hammer thing: On November 28 2012 17:13 Aquanim wrote: Quick question @Oatsmaster. What did you mean by "hammered the vote"? On November 28 2012 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Again, it was a joke. hammering the vote means that your vote causes the guy to be lynched, if you didnt vote for him, he wont be lynched. Do you have examples of my disjointed thoughts? What do you think about helo being scum? I knew full well what a hammer is. (Check this one out sometime, it's hilarious.) But anyone who knows what a hammer is, or has even heard of one, either read a GSL mafia game, in detail, or has experience with mafia offsite (the concept only applies to instant lynch), which is more experience than I'd expect someone posting like Oats to have. For that matter, Oatsmaster made the sixth vote with nine players, so it's not even like his vote gave Munk-E a majority of the votes. Again, something I would expect someone who knows about hammers at all to know. 4) Grammar. It's not that hard to make a little effort. Everyone else in the game is. And I for one find uncapitalised, unpunctuated posts harder to read and tend to glaze over them. Again, perhaps this is intentional. Look, none of these point are a slam-dunk, and it's not like I have any meta to work with. But the outline they sketch out is interesting - I see a player TRYING to look bad (apologies if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am). And Oats is not contributing anything towards a town victory. Daft town is quite capable of doing that too, but the simplest explanation is scum. ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On November 14 2012 11:23 Hapahauli wrote: Please do not talk about any ongoing games either in-game or pre-game. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of- thread activity of players in this thread. | ||
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First I want helo's current read on oats. This. In fact, I'm repeating this so you can't miss it. | ||
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I've kind of said some of this already but I'll make it clearer. Ok, I've read the case on Jacob some more. In short, I think that his relative shortage of conclusions, sentences going nowhere, leaving "backout options" for himself, etc. are pretty much consistent with his town meta from XXVI. He's demonstrated that he's quite aware of his town meta and (presumably) would seek to emulate it as mafia, but he'd certainly have no reason not to as town. Not a clear indicator for me. Also, Yamato posted quite a bit between Jacob's vote for him and the switch to Munk-E... I don't reckon the switch is inherently scummy, Jacob and Yamato did have some interaction there and Jacob weakening his read on Yamato enough to unvote him is not unreasonable. This isn't quite a clean bill of towny health for Jacob but compared to the rest of the field I'm definitely not comfortable at all with a lynch on him. As for Oatsmaster, I just don't like how uselessly he's been posting, and he keeps wriggling out of giving cases... he made one on HeloKnight and darted out from under it at the first opportunity, and I don't think he's given much else which I found sensible. He's marginally my best scum read, and the concept of MyLo or LyLo with him in the game just makes me sick. Everyone else I think I might be able to improve my read of with more posts and more reading, but this read on Oats is about as confident as I'm ever going to be on him. When we get down to "get this right or lose" I want people I at least *think* I can read. | ||
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On November 30 2012 01:14 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also if we lynch oats and he is doctor we lose sdm (or aqua if sdm is an amazing scum) Aqua sdm scum team guys (lol) <-- if that happens I would officially quit life. I've been thinking the same thing about you and sonic. :/ Also, I'm pretty sure we can have two doctors... though it would be pretty silly. Could there be two doctors in this setup? This possibility seems to be specifically indicated in the preliminaries to the role list, but since noone else is considering it I'll check. | ||
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I can't distinguish anything Oats has done since my vote between "oh crap, I'm doctor about to be lynched" and "oh crap, I'm scum about to be lynched". I reckon his posting quality has improved maybe a little, but that doesn't tell me anything. And claiming doctor and a protect on SDM is about as obvious and easy a fake-claim as claiming VT, esp. without a crumb. Dammit! If you're a doctor, I'm really sorry, but I just. can't. tell. And I still have no better reads, and I still think this read won't improve. Vote sticks. I have 5 minutes before I have to leave, and I won't be back before lynch. In the event of a massclaim, which I do not endorse, it may be possible for me to leave a message with someone and have them post it. | ||
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Bah. glhf all! | ||
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