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Then there is this:
On November 25 2012 13:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah, also the worst decision to do 1 for 1 trades.
think about it if I'm scum, why would I randomly single out cheesecake? why did I even post? so far this game is so slow and as scum, they want it that way.
Why would you bring up "think about if I was scum", that is not a town mindset. Scum are the ones who would say something like that, all town needs to do is let their actions show that they are being pro-town, and so far you arent.
You are voting me because you think I am scum right? So showing that scum has no fucking reason to do what I just did is a justifiable defence
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Kickstart, I am saying you OMGUS voted me. Which you did.
I would love to make a case on Cheesecake if he posted more than 10 posts...
My vote in cheese is based on FEELING. Your vote on me is because you think that my vote is bullshit. Therefore, you OMGUS me :l
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Lol Jacob, out of the ordinary? This is my 2nd game :D lol
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What do you think of Kickstart's vote on me?
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No I disagree, I think that his case is basically you are bad at mafia, Imma vote you. Which is weird cause he condemns me for not explaining my vote.
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I think that his first 2 posts feel forced. Which I said earlier..
That is all at the moment.
I will wait for him to come back.
Remember that you can unvote people :D
Yes you should be why my posting sucks but no explanation as to why I am scum.
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EBWOP: You explained that my posting sucks but you DIDNT explain why my posting means I am scum
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@Jacob
Kush is just a total troll. If my posting is like his, I am sad 
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OH YES FINALLY, you say why my behaviour is scummy. :D
My explanation is that his first 2 posts seem off. What do you want? Cheesecake posted less than 10 posts, how can you garner any evidence from that?
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LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh.
there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that.
A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts.
ok about cheesecake
On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk.
This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question.
I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual.
On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around?
Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town
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Yeah my problem with you wasnt your lack of scumhunting, it is like less than 2 hours into the game, and there was no content. I just didnt feel the genuineness of your opening posts. And I will lynch by that.
Nah, I agreed with the pure content but there was some disconnect between the posts words and the feeling. I think newbie reads all around so far except for kickstart and you, I need to think.
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Cheesecake, you completely miss the point about the first post.
I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion.
However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions.
so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade.
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I made that case so that you guys could see how bad of a case it was..
And it got bashed horrendously. Thanks for seeing my point of view.
Im still on the fence about Cheesecake because he hasnt actually posted any reads, just responded to people.
I am inclined to think that SDM is town because he made a longass post on CC.
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Yeah newbie players have a tendency to post 1 liners and such.
I am heartened by munkey's post because it showed that he actually took the time to read and analyse but I wonder if his scum buddies told him to do that because posting a 1 line late entry doesnt look good.
Yamato, You need to comment on the 2 votes on you and my vote on CC. Please do not be brief.
Jacob, for now, if you had to lynch, who would it be?
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Lets go with the association case now.
If CC is scum, yamato isnt, if yamato is scum, CC isnt.
How would CC see you as a threat? arnt me and SDM more of a threat at that point of time?
How many times do I have to repeat that my vote is serious
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Why would yamato actually make a proper point about CC's vote if both are scum?
yeah really early for that, just wanted to throw it out there.
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Actually yeah, he hasnt really asked any questions, just defended himself and jumped on the fact that I started the reactions.
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I have a strong feeling that he is scum. I cant prove it due to having less than 10 posts to analyse.
On the fence means that I didnt see anything from him to change my vote.
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nah, I think that he was kinda sad about the mafia game because he got played, so now he is trying to make sure that it doesnt happen to him again.
Looking through Cheesecake's filter right now.
On November 26 2012 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:HeloKnight seems to be playing extremely safe. When Oat's bloats (lol) the thread up with his vote on me, the thread is generally anti-Oats. Helo randomly pops in and gives a reiterative thought post on him and then immediately leaves afterward. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 00:56 HeloKnight wrote:Oats:On November 25 2012 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kickstart, I am saying you OMGUS voted me. Which you did.
I would love to make a case on Cheesecake if he posted more than 10 posts...
My vote in cheese is based on FEELING. Your vote on me is because you think that my vote is bullshit. Therefore, you OMGUS me :l On November 25 2012 18:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I love this, Cheesecake posted 2 posts and people are expecting me to make a case. LOL. He did nothing to convince me that he is town yet though :/
I agree with the content, but it feels forced, thats all that I think about cheesecake right now. Modkills/replacements should be the LAST thing on your mind in the whole game. On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh. there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that. A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts. ok about cheesecake On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk. This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question. I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual. On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town These posts are confusing. You say several times that you can't write a case from his posts thus far, in response to those asking you to explain yourself, but then you write a mini-case in the very same post. Why didn't you just write this case when people asked for it, instead of repeatedly saying that you can't write a case? On November 26 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cheesecake, you completely miss the point about the first post.
I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion.
However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions.
so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade. You say that "trying to look casual" is a scum trait, but your first few posts are looking pretty casual: On November 25 2012 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Just kidding :D
But seriously lets talk.
This is my first/second game, I/E I havent finished a mafia game yet This post looks pretty "forced casual" too, but I don't know if smilies are the norm for Oats. On November 25 2012 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
By far the most important question
3) Pie. Or a Light Cheesecake.
1) 0. I am currently in another game
2) I think that we should lynch a lurker D1 yes. Why is "trying to be casual" a scum trait when you are clearly trying to be casual yourself? This entire "trying to be casual" stuff isn't anything new. Furthermore, everyone should be acting casual because it's not a stressful game (yet?). Anything anyone says can be turned into a wifom attack via "oh, you're trying to look like this because [insert midly suspicious post here]." This seems like a very easy post to make, and I just don't see a lot of substance here. Then, he gives a random post 2 hours after his last, and 2 hours before the next. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 03:19 HeloKnight wrote:On November 26 2012 01:55 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 26 2012 01:40 Kickstart wrote:On November 26 2012 01:25 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 25 2012 22:40 Kickstart wrote:
You two seem to be agreeing that you don't think Oats is scum. Can you explain his vote onto cheese then, because he apparently can't provide a decent explanation for it himself.
I take it you have never played scum. The last thing you feel like doing when you're scum is to stumble into the thread and make a terrible case with no evidence, because it'll give you a ton of attention. You can argue whether his posts are anti-town or not. They've started some discussions and a lot of people (well, at least some) are chiming in with opinions etc. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether it's anti-town though, I've basically seen no newbies play scum like this (perhaps Kush. I am however inclined to agree with you that scum wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves but I can't get over how bad his posts were, and they haven't gotten much better. That's exactly how I've been reacting in the Obs QTs I've been in. I see someone who (imo) play terrible and use flawed logic and it pisses me off so bad that I think it makes him scum. Rarely have those reads been correct and I think it's because scum are too careful to use terrible logic. There are better scum tells than someone simply "playing bad". The mafia has to implicate townies as scum and, using good logic, they can only convict other scum. So doesn't scum have to use terrible logic? Otherwise they with only catch their partners. I do not understand the motivation behind asking this question. The first sentence is obvious, but the question seems pointless to ask because scum can't use terrible logic or they'll be easily called out on it. It seems like a safe question to ask because the answer is easy. Afterwards, he comments on SDM's little case on me. Here, he essentially soft-defends me while probing for more information from SDM. HeloKnight seems to be playing very neutral, not wanting to take that leap of faith into uncharted territory or make anyone angry. Understandable for both new town and scum. It's how i played in XXIX so that's why it strikes me so. Hold on will post more soon on someone else need to answer some of les questions.
This posts seems completely irrelevent, why post such a long post if you have a null read on them? To give you an excuse to get off their back.
On November 26 2012 06:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Yes, SDM, I know you pointed this out, but I have to say something. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:34 yamato77 wrote:
Mr. Cheesecake is playing without contributing. He's written a lot, but most of it is absolutely useless to a town looking for scum. His policy discussion and talk about other mafia games he's played doesn't help hunt for other players, it seems like more of a defense for himself. Then he calls out two players, myself and Helo, trying to draw attention away from himself. None of this reads town to me, at all. I really do NOT like this kind of post from Yamato. First, he is completely hypocritical because he hasn't contributed two cents to the thread. Secondly, he is answering a question that isn't addressed to him. He randomly pops up when I'm being pressured to cast aspersions on me. Where was he before this? What is his motivation or making such a cavalier, random post? He is entitled to his opinion, but his convenient timing and content reads inherently scummy to me.
Then he calls Yamato hypocritical when in fact, he is doing the same thing. He has not commented on either kickstart's vote on me or the other people on Yamato.
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I didnt even think about jacob hmm
Jacob. I think that he is trying to play better. ok.
Nah after reading his filter, he reads like excited town and posting a lot of irrelevence.
Jacob, do you currently have any scum reads?
Explain properly.
Sonic.
Im also thinking about yamato, but I hope that he will post more. I expect more from CC than yamato though, so maybe thats why I am so suspicious of him.
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