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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 13:46 GMT
#3028
On November 19 2012 12:37 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, a zero T setup would have less than 1% chance to get rolled at the beginning in a classic C9++ game and the probability is even lower with Keir generator because the one-shot roles are replaced by Ts.

I wanted S&B to say this to me. I don't understand how S&B can have his vote on BH right now given the info we have.
MVCCDTT makes more sense, in term of probability and in term of play.
Your logic is fallacious right now S&B. Explain me how you can conclude that voting BH is still a good move now and I might unvote you.
##Vote S&B



The reason that I'm still voting BH is that I'm pissed off at him for insulting me and therefore I want him to die.

If we have no more blue claims then he's pretty much confirmed by the setup possibilities - the blues we already know about mean the setup must at least include MCCV. That's only three letters, and a TTT setup wouldn't include a godfather, so there has to be at least one more letter. So either there is another blue, or we have TTMCCDV and BH is confirmed. Unfortunately.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 13:51 GMT
#3029
I'll try and reread the thread once I get to work, but don't expect another huge defense post. The only different reason you all have for voting me this time versus last time is that I post less when I'm not about to be lynched, and that I'm not here consistently at lynch time.

wow newsflash people, this just in: people don't like getting lynched!

seriously tell me why it's bad for a townie to post more when they're under suspicion. going above and beyond your normal activity/involvement level seems exactly like what a townie should do when they're under suspicion.

Oh hey it's another newsflash!
3AM is an inconvenient deadline! I have a life and do things other than play mafia! I also like to play video games, who would expect that a user on a video game site likes to play video games!

so yeah, last time I put a lot of effort into not getting lynched. This time the reasons for lynching me are even dumber, plus town is in a pretty great position regardless of whether or not I get killed, so don't expect me to do the same as before.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 17:12 GMT
#3055
On November 20 2012 01:48 Blazinghand wrote:
BTW, SnB, see that thing I just did there with kickstart? That whole "read his filter, do analysis, and make a read" thing? If you're town, that's what you need to do. You need to help find the last scum. Even if you think "oh I'll never convince BH, I'm gonna get lynched anyways" it's all the more important that you play the game. If you die without doing this, and flip town, you have failed. Well, you have failed more.

Whatever alignment you are, I recommend strongly against conceding. Play the game. Analyze. I know you're capable of it.


now that i think you're town i don't really want to win anymore because it means you win too

you're like drazerk2.0
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 17:13 GMT
#3057
yeah if i could concede i totes would

##concede maybe this will work
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 17:21 GMT
#3061
yeah if that actually worked then townies could just type it to prove they're town
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 17:21 GMT
#3062
unless it made the whole town concede when one person typed it. I'd be okay with that too
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 17:29 GMT
#3066
On November 20 2012 02:22 Blazinghand wrote:
That'd be pretty funny. But yeah as long as you're just putzing around I'm gonna go and read some more filters. I'll keep an eye on the thread in case you decide to play the game.


i mean, i'm at work right now

i can't really take too much time to go filterdiving

maybe at dinnertime, we'll see
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 19:02 GMT
#3089
On November 20 2012 03:53 Blazinghand wrote:
EBWOP: sorry didn't mean to imply you are shitty player, that was a poorly worded sentence


lol
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 19:33 GMT
#3108
i'd have to be pretty stupid to be playing like this as scum, wouldn't i
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 19:33 GMT
#3109
hint: you're all stupid
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 19:38 GMT
#3111
yep

but they would all lose
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 20:38 GMT
#3116
On November 20 2012 05:29 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 04:33 strongandbig wrote:
hint: you're all stupid

My witty retort: Your stupid

But seriously like will you give us something when you get home or are you just gonna mail it in?


this thread is fucking long

btw sorry for calling you lazy

i was misled

still if you actually think i'm going to flip scum you're stupid.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 20:46 GMT
#3118
On November 13 2012 17:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 16:57 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:43 Blazinghand wrote:
sorry you must be hard of hearing

your vote on S&B right now is bad

Is the reason for that his play is too 'risky' or too 'scummy' to be scum play? Because that is what I got from waht thrawn says and you just agreed with it.

If that is the case then I'm not buying what you are selling.



there's no such thing as too scummy for scum play


Ok then can you explain to me why only idiots and scum are voting for S&B. Cause I can't see it.


cause he's town. it's not my job to defend the man, just to point out the scum on his wagon. read his filter and tell me that's scum S&B seriously dude


lol
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 21:22 GMT
#3122
Okay so here's my case that you all have been so eagerly anticipating. It's on clarity.

Here is the central point of the case: clarity has been taking the easy road to "appearing to be town". He's been making lots and lots of little, easy non-contributions. Chief among these:
- he's been really focused on a lot of small points that don't actually point towards alignments or help find scum
- he's been asking a lot of questions, but often without sharing his own positions or thoughts until being pushed
- he's been "calling people out" for "playing badly", "not being pro-town enough", "not trying hard enough" etcetera, but he hasn't been taking his own advice. what cases he has made have been flimsy, based on bad logic, and expedient at the time.

these are all things that are easy for scum to do in order to try and seem town, pass by the townies unnoticed.



out of the players who didn't join the last-minute switch to hapahauli he is definitely the scummiest.



On November 13 2012 10:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Bandwagon time! Please answer why you claimed.

##Vote Strongandbig



On November 13 2012 10:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:49 strongandbig wrote:
lol


You've posted three times since your VT claim, with a total of 7 words.
Please explain your claim.



On November 13 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:53 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Bandwagon time! Please answer why you claimed.

##Vote Strongandbig


##Unvote
##Vote Clarity_NL


I'm going to expand on this a little because it seems to have been lost in the noise.

Why did you jump on the S&B bandwagon so quickly and with little explanation? What do you find scummy about S&B and Why?


He "VT claims", then disappears. He just answered and his answer was "I claimed on accident"
I explain my reasoning my 2 posts before my vote.



On November 13 2012 11:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 13 2012 11:02 strongandbig wrote:
okay im going to sleep now it's like three am



kiiiiill some scuuuuuuuums doods


Where do you currently live? Could you change your profile to that?


clarity was like super obsessed with my vt claim.

i already told you why that's scummy.


On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town?


I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting.

What have you done?

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking.


Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out.

And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point....

And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u!

Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis?


Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting


He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter"


who cares if that was a smurf

On November 13 2012 11:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:
[quote]

I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting.

What have you done?

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
[quote]

Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out.

And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point....

And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u!

Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis?


Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting


He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter"


Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta.

We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize.

So why discuss it?


But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta.

On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town?


I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting.

What have you done?

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking.


Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out.

And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point....

And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u!

Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


Why?


Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire"

Please keep my posts in context


Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context?
You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important.
But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself.

Please tell me where I am wrong.


who cares

On November 13 2012 16:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
Morning.

My vote on SnB isn't going anywhere for the moment. It was meant as pressure and it'll remain until he answers my question:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
strongandbig why did you claim VT, please explain your reasoning.


I find the answer (if you can call it that).... not to my liking:
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On November 13 2012 10:52 strongandbig wrote:
okay so

that "lol" was when I was reading the thread and ppl were like "omg vote him he claimed vt"

and then I was like, wtf are they talking about when did I claim vt?

and then I was like, "oh."

yeah so, oops?

Anyway.... just because my vote is on him doesn't mean I can't focus on other things. Just woke up and had breakfast, will be reading some filters.

PS:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 15:39 Blazinghand wrote:
But yeah anyone voting S&B right now is scum or bad

What?



more about my claim

On November 13 2012 16:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 16:48 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone not voting for their top scumread needs to vote for their top scumread instead


Right now, he's it. Maybe he's a bit too obvious and maybe the fact that no one has defended him, even a little bit, makes it less likely, but he's still it.
Just because I said my vote pressures him, does not mean that is solely what my vote it for. It's staying there until he explains himself clearly, luckily we have plenty of time.


lol

On November 13 2012 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 13 2012 17:06 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 13 2012 17:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 17:03 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:57 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:43 Blazinghand wrote:
sorry you must be hard of hearing

your vote on S&B right now is bad

Is the reason for that his play is too 'risky' or too 'scummy' to be scum play? Because that is what I got from waht thrawn says and you just agreed with it.

If that is the case then I'm not buying what you are selling.



there's no such thing as too scummy for scum play


Ok then can you explain to me why only idiots and scum are voting for S&B. Cause I can't see it.


cause he's town. it's not my job to defend the man, just to point out the scum on his wagon. read his filter and tell me that's scum S&B seriously dude


Why is it like pulling teeth to get answers out of you?


Lol say something about ZB plz


I wish he posted more. It seems he was around for about 2 hours but he never really said anything of substance.
The only original thought he had so far was his debears vote, which he quickly withdrew. The vote made no sense to begin with.
"Debears didn't write a paragraph about a miller claim day 1, that's scummy!" ??

His miller claim makes sense, there's been no other miller claims. The only thing I don't like about it is that he explained his possible motivations as scum and town to claim miller, which isn't necessary.

Your turn.


meh

On November 13 2012 17:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
ebwop His play this game is still anti-town, regardless of alignment. I hope you realize this SnB and shape up.


good old "he's being anti town"

the scum's best friend

On November 13 2012 17:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hapa, this still bothers me.
I asked you what you thought about SnB's claim and if you thought it was bad for town, and you answered:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Clarity

Well in a theoretical sense yes, but you remember how well that worked with Cheesecake in Newbie XXX right? It's really not that significant IMO.


You compared this to Cheese's claim from NMM XXX even though the situations are completely different.
The only reason Cheese claimed was because he thought only VT's knew the VT flavor. So he was trying to claim without alerting scum. SnB just outright claimed VT.

After I explain why it's different, you basically give me the same answer:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's not like he flavor claimed, thinking others didn't know the flavor. How are those situations alike?
You don't think it's a weird move for a VT to claim VT day 1?


No I don't find it weird. I think it's just a pointless comment that can be made by either alignment. Again, see Mr. Cheesecake's "odd" VT claim time in the Newbie game.

Him trusting Z-Bo's claim so up-front is a bit strange, but again, I don't know if it's just bad logic or scum knowing who's who.

I haven't seen anything alignment indicative from him yet.


The other thing I don't really like is the use of "theoretically yes" and "IMO"
Whenever I've seen you post you tend to be direct and with conviction, but not this time.



weeeeeak saaaaaaauce

On November 14 2012 01:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing for the love of god use spellcheck or autocorrect or something and please stop posting one liners and address the case made against you.

Hi guys, I'm back.

Marv I'm not suspicious of you, I was just curious about debears' response. I phrased the question in a way that would make him seem inconsistent if he found you town, but he found you town anyway. Gives me a town read on debears. Scum hate to be inconsistent.


guys post better guys guys come on guys post better look at how much townie i am

On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 14 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Darthpunk... maybe. Best I've got, working on a case right now but not liking how it's turning out.


Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot.

If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter.
It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town.

The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot)
After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB.

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On November 13 2012 15:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine.

The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B.

I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit.

I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is.

@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.


He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB.

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On November 13 2012 16:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Eh. I wouldn;t say I had a particularly strong read on S&B.

##Unvote


Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions?
You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither?

##Vote DarthPunk


someone already talked about this but lolwut, "making a case isn't working" but "vote to kill him"

like, to clarity the reason "making a case isn't working" is not because dp was townish but just because his filter wasn't long enough - this reasoning implies that "making a case should work" if anyone has a large enough filter.

like, maybe he was trying to do a lurker lynch without actually calling it that?

but also there's pretty much no explanation of why any of this stuff makes darthpunk scum, just "he's doing this thing and he shouldn't be doing it."

On November 14 2012 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
Do you guys have some sort of meta read that I do not?
The description "has a 3 page filter but nothing that I can make a read off of" doesn't seem very townie to me.


someone who says this had better have stuff in their filter that people can get a townread off of... but nope

On November 14 2012 06:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
I wouldn't say tunneling someone is considered defending yourself. I don't disagree with this notion. If you're town just scumhunt and the fact that you're town will shine through, but don't accuse someone else of not defending themselves.

Where did he mention you're threatened by his claim?


On November 14 2012 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
But, you're not scum, right? So you don't feel threatened, right?


On November 14 2012 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
But you didn't say "Scum wouldn't be threatened", you said "I'm not threatened"


On November 14 2012 07:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'd love someone else's input on this phrasing. Am I reading too much into it?

Marv if you're gonna do quiztime it should be soon. I plan on going to bed at NOT 4 am since I have to be up 3 am tomorrow for lynchtime.



On November 14 2012 07:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 14 2012 07:02 Blazinghand wrote:
Are you saying I townslipped because a scum player would refer to himself as scum?


No. I see it more as a scumslip.


yeah more "who cares" here
like, this is just silly.

On November 14 2012 07:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 14 2012 07:31 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 14 2012 07:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 14 2012 07:27 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa

What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.

I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.

I did provide analysis.


So you're suggesting that he's active lurking or something like that?


I'm suggesting that he is blending in. Afterwards it got pointed out that he's also in Acme right now, another active mafia game, and I adjusted my case accordingly.


That's fair - didn't really understand your word-choice at first, but I can't blame ya for it


I guess it's because I just started the post and ended it. I spellchecked but that's it.
So I started out with "Yeah making a case on him isn't working"
But I guess I did end up making a case on him, heh. I just wanted to put thoughts out there that weren't about BH, as I felt others were flying under the radar.


read the whole exchange here, they both sound weird

then tell me that sounds like the aggro hapa we know and

On November 14 2012 08:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing, you didn't HAVE to claim. I guess it's too late for that though, so let's leave that till post game.
Do you still believe Zbo is scum, and who else do you have scumreads on? Give us as much information as possible this daycycle.


somebody else said why this is bad

its bad

On November 14 2012 23:54 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'll be back for a bit in 30-40 minutes but in an hour or two I'll be gone until 9 pm my time (6 hours before lynch).

I would like some more thoughts on this please:
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On November 14 2012 23:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think we're getting to the point where we have to consolidate a bit, narrow our focus.
As much as I want to lynch BH, I don't think lynching a blue claim day 1 is smart. If he's scum that's great, he definitely might be, but if he flips JK or VT we're fucked. There won't be any useful information for us.

@ everyone
Is it safe to say that not idiotic lynch candidates are: Thrawn, Darthpunk, Hopeless, Crossfire and MAYBE debears?


iamp I urge you to look elsewhere than BH for the time being, and revisit this tomorrow. Lynching him today would simply be bad.


i'm not too into this giving town your schedule thing
at least not until they start voting for you for not posting enough or whatever

On November 15 2012 01:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
So what you're saying is you won't make cases because it requires effort? Dude you are making it so hard on me to not vote for you.


yeah cause your cases are so well made

oh wait no

but that's okay, still let's call out other people for shit and stuff, that's easier than actually making cases

On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases?
Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine.


On November 15 2012 06:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is TL having issues atm? Refreshing is taking forever.


On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them.


On November 15 2012 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 15 2012 06:59 strongandbig wrote:
##unvote
##vote: debears


Please elaborate.


On November 15 2012 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 15 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:
On November 15 2012 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 15 2012 06:59 strongandbig wrote:
##unvote
##vote: debears


Please elaborate.


i think he's more likely to be scum than hopeless is


Does this mean you agree that BH is a bad lynch now, or you simply realized he won't get lynched today?


thats a lot of questions that you're asking people

asking questions is easy

On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat.

That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense.
I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist.

##Unvote
##Vote Z-BosoN


this is super easy
"oh i dont know meta but this case is good"
lol, super easy and non-committal.

On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo.

Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo


townie townie and townie
wow choosing between three townies day 1, our town must be doing pretty bad right?

On November 15 2012 10:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you've been super quiet. Thoughts?

Where the hell is thrawn?


like this one, this is only okay if you're actually doing stuff too

On November 15 2012 10:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 15 2012 10:52 Blazinghand wrote:
I still don't like Hapa at all. He seems way too straight-laced for his normal town play. Anyone want to lynch him?


What the fuck. Shut up.


lol
lol
lol

On November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day.



On November 15 2012 10:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Your case was nothing but OMGUS



okay this one is important - it's not "he's town, there's no reason to think he's scum" or "i have a town read on him because of a reason" or even "i have a town read on him because i'm mafia dislexic". It's "there is not a good case on him." That's how scum think buddies. they don't think "is he town or not" they think "is the case good or not".


On November 15 2012 11:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ok. Couple of thoughts without looking back.

The assumption that everyone who jumped on hapa is town is bad.
Odds are, the last two people who jumped on hapa are town.
To me it seems likely that there is scum in the first couple of people jumping on hapa, because they didn't expect (like me) him to get lynched. Easy townie points with nearly no risk.

Marv was unusually quiet near the end.
BH said jump on hapa, lol jk wait d2, lol lets jump on hapa ##vote Hapa. Now he's claiming town credit? Ehhh....


quick! gotta throw some water on this town fire!

like, I'm okay with the "that was stupid" post someone else talked about, but this is pretty quick after a godfather lynch to start trying to vaguely and generally discredit the voters on that lynch.

On November 15 2012 21:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 15 2012 10:52 Blazinghand wrote:
I still don't like Hapa at all. He seems way too straight-laced for his normal town play. Anyone want to lynch him?

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 10:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm like not really serious about lynching hapa, btw, we shouldn't be switching this close to the deadline

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 10:53 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 15 2012 10:53 debears wrote:
Save Hapa for d2 BH


yeah basically this

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On November 15 2012 10:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 15 2012 10:54 iamperfection wrote:
On November 15 2012 10:53 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 15 2012 10:53 debears wrote:
Save Hapa for d2 BH


yeah basically this

well i actually wouldnt mind doing it now this is not town hapa. going herp derp scumslip scumslip


##FoS: Hapa


Let's get a count of who's in. FOS him if you are willing to vote him.

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On November 15 2012 10:56 Blazinghand wrote:
You know what, fuck it, let's vote him. I'll go back to ZB if need be.

##unvote

##vote: Hapa


I just don't get this series of events. I agree that the "scumslip" thing was suspicious but we were waaaayy too close to deadline.


On November 15 2012 21:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
And this is coming from a claimed JK who is now claiming VT. With his reasoning being that he wouldn't be active. Only he was.


On November 15 2012 21:54 Clarity_nl wrote:
The dumbest part for me is that I asked him to post his night action

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On November 15 2012 11:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 15 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazinghand, before I forget, in the last hour of night I'd like you to post your night action.


Absolutely. I wouldn't have it any other way.


Then a mere 3.5 hours later he posts

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On November 15 2012 14:54 Blazinghand wrote:
And I know you guys are gonna hate me for thus, but uh, yeah, I'm not a JK. Monday I had some family issues come up and it meant I wouldn't have much time to play through today, so I had to fake claim. Thursday and onwards I'm free though. Of course everyone is gonna be like super mad at me for this, but it worked, okay? Okay.


Why would a VT blazinghand want to answer my question so quickly and with so much conviction if he planned on spilling the beans on his claim.


On November 15 2012 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay well.... this hurts my brain. I don't see a motivation for any alignment or role. Either he's putting too much value on himself as town or he's making a really dumb play as scum. Yes, he saved himself D1, but he's just sewing chaos all over the place.

Today I won't be as active. I'll actually be around, but playing some dota2/cs:go, will check the thread inbetween, and will ofcourse post reads before night ends just in case.


On November 15 2012 22:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can you find a scum angle on backing out of your claim during N1? It's major WIFOM at best. Which actually makes me think it would be a good move for scum, since trying to keep your story straight as scum JK is hard.

We have quite a bit of time, I'll mull it over.


then there's a loooooooot of talking about blazinghand's retarded fake fake claim retardation but he never actually puts it together and says "this makes him scum" or "this makes him town" or "this is important because reasons"
more easy stuff.

okay holy shit his filter is long. i don't have enough time to keep going through it bit by bit right now. but look, he just keeps going like this - easy thing after easy thing, barely anything serious or difficult, never really putting himself out there. the only posts he makes that are really meaty are his terribad cases on me. like seriously, the only times when he goes through something and takes an in depth look at it point by point are when he is tunneling me for terrible reasons, and when he's defending himself from a case (mostly by raging at it).

for the rest of this post I'm just going to be putting in highlights



On November 18 2012 15:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Currently the holy town trinity is iamp, hope and myself.

Currently the scum that looks to be buddying up with a scummy town to look more towny is Djo or SnB.

Currently Kickstart, Darth, debears, blazing are ALL not contributing. And it's driving me up the goddamn wall.


lol lol lol

On November 18 2012 20:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
How come there are so many lazy town in this game, but not the fucking newbies I played in.
Kickstarter, I've explained before why just sitting back and saying who you think is scummy is not enough.
Darth, you said the only person you're willing to lynch over zbo was me, make a fucking case.
Hopeless, seriously dude you are the closest we have to confirmed town, you have nothing to fear, this is the perfect time to read read read and get a read going.

I would also like everyone who voted zbo to explain why they didnt switch after his death post. Did it LOOK like a fucking WIFOM bomb? He called the towny players town and he called the scummy players scum.


yeah i talked about this one already

On November 19 2012 10:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
How is it wrong that the scum don't want the cop dead WTF. They have to blindly kill people that AREN'T you or BH.
The cop checks the scum, it's game over. #1 priority for scum is to kill the cop. He doesn't give a shit about confirmed townies right now. Am I really the only one seeing this?

Hopeless you might be confirmed townie but what have you done with it so far? You have a vote, that's it.


pretty mad about night kill speculation

good thing bh persuaded him to kill the cop instead of bh

lol

yeah okay that's all you get for now hope you're happy and if you are voting for me you're stupid.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 21:23 GMT
#3123
wow you guys just can't even give a guy 45 minutes to make a case in
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 21:25 GMT
#3125
On November 20 2012 05:51 Blazinghand wrote:
first the screenshot unsportsmanship, now this. ._.


we need to talk about this. your reaction to the fact that people can lie about irl stuff is to ignore them. my reaction is different, it's just to not lie and assume people will know that.

like, i don't understand how demonstrating that i'm telling the truth is "unsportsmanlike", that's stupid. if I say something that is verifiable and someone says "he wasn't telling the truth" then how is it unsportsmanlike of me to verify it? you're being stupid.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 21:28 GMT
#3126
On November 20 2012 06:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
So your case is this:

Quote all the quotes
Comment LOLOLOLOL
Say I'm taking the easy road?


wow that was pretty fast
did you actually read the posts I pointed out and make up your mind about whether they are (a) substantially engaging the thread, making it easy for people to read you and hold you accountable for your positions, advancing the collective scum hunt, etcetera, or (b) scummy attempts to take the easy path to looking townie?

i don't think you did, i think you just skimmed it and though "oh hey this guy who i've been tunneling made a case on me, let's go tunnel some more because that's easier than actually engaging that case"
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 21:36 GMT
#3128
you misunderstand the point of the case

i'm demonstrating through multiple quotations how your filter takes an overall cavalier attitude towards the game, whose objective is to seem town rather than to actually be town
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 21:47 GMT
#3130
oh yeah i forgot
##unvote
##vote: clarity
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 21:48 GMT
#3132
On November 20 2012 06:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
I could quote iamp's filter and say he's trying to come across as town. Doesn't make him scum. Your point is dumb and it's clear to anyone I've been trying hard this game. Unlike you.


okay then do it

but that's not the entirety of it - you have to demonstrate that he's doing easy things to come across as town without actually being townie/promoting town objectives in a substantive way.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
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