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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 17:09 GMT
#922
I really think DP is a bad lynch. Hopeless or debears.

DP does not play uselessly as scum either.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 17:10 GMT
#923
On November 15 2012 02:09 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 23:10 debears wrote:
On November 14 2012 23:06 strongandbig wrote:
On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues


that sir is what's called "pushing your luck"

On November 14 2012 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Thrawn is more right than he's wrong. More stalling, excuses, and mentioning other games in progress from DP.

##unvote
##vote: Darthpunk


BH posted this after reading exactly the same explanation from DP that I read, and exactly the same comments on DP's meta from marv as I read, and doing exactly the same amount of work looking into DP's actual scum/town meta as I did (none) - and yet he comes up with a vote? Without at all addressing the points from Marv and from himself about DP's meta? And without addressing the other game in progress issue - which isn't an "unverifiable irl excuse," we can go look at the thread - and yet he comes up with a vote?

guys what we have out of BH is not just a scummy and needless claim - we have a scummy and needless claim from a player who isn't playing up to his usual town standard in several ways
- bad cases
- trolling/fluff while taking the easy opportunity to gain points by attacking other people for fluff
and most importantly
- the huge mismatch in thread presence, thread control, and town organization between BH's last town game (whose line) and this game

And then we have
On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues

BH psychology: he just saw me do well - not win, except for self-declaring victory, but do much better than I should have given how the game started out - he saw me do well by fakeclaiming blue and then really pushing that fakeclaim hard. He also just had what I assume must be a trollgasm from evoking ridiculous reactions from Keirathi in that same game. Now he's claimed blue for no good reason, and it's a blue role that he can "verify" easily by withholding KP, or that he can make unverifiable by claiming to be roleblocked.

There's no way a town BH decides "there are 3 or 4 votes on me, like 30 hours before the lynch - time to claim!"

I just don't believe that thought process is real.

##vote: blazinghand


that's not commenting on the claim, that's commenting much later on strongandbig wanting to lynch BH>

There's a massive difference


ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING??? THERE ARE NO COUNTERCLAIMS FROM A JK/RB, AND YOU WANT TO LYNCH A JK CLAIM DAY 1???

debars did comment on it with caps lock no less

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 17:10 GMT
#924
oops

On November 15 2012 02:09 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 23:10 debears wrote:
On November 14 2012 23:06 strongandbig wrote:
On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues


that sir is what's called "pushing your luck"

On November 14 2012 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Thrawn is more right than he's wrong. More stalling, excuses, and mentioning other games in progress from DP.

##unvote
##vote: Darthpunk


BH posted this after reading exactly the same explanation from DP that I read, and exactly the same comments on DP's meta from marv as I read, and doing exactly the same amount of work looking into DP's actual scum/town meta as I did (none) - and yet he comes up with a vote? Without at all addressing the points from Marv and from himself about DP's meta? And without addressing the other game in progress issue - which isn't an "unverifiable irl excuse," we can go look at the thread - and yet he comes up with a vote?

guys what we have out of BH is not just a scummy and needless claim - we have a scummy and needless claim from a player who isn't playing up to his usual town standard in several ways
- bad cases
- trolling/fluff while taking the easy opportunity to gain points by attacking other people for fluff
and most importantly
- the huge mismatch in thread presence, thread control, and town organization between BH's last town game (whose line) and this game

And then we have
On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues

BH psychology: he just saw me do well - not win, except for self-declaring victory, but do much better than I should have given how the game started out - he saw me do well by fakeclaiming blue and then really pushing that fakeclaim hard. He also just had what I assume must be a trollgasm from evoking ridiculous reactions from Keirathi in that same game. Now he's claimed blue for no good reason, and it's a blue role that he can "verify" easily by withholding KP, or that he can make unverifiable by claiming to be roleblocked.

There's no way a town BH decides "there are 3 or 4 votes on me, like 30 hours before the lynch - time to claim!"

I just don't believe that thought process is real.

##vote: blazinghand



ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING??? THERE ARE NO COUNTERCLAIMS FROM A JK/RB, AND YOU WANT TO LYNCH A JK CLAIM DAY 1???

debars did comment on it with caps lock no less


that's not commenting on the claim, that's commenting much later on strongandbig wanting to lynch BH>

There's a massive difference
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 17:12 GMT
#926
On November 15 2012 02:11 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
I really think DP is a bad lynch. Hopeless or debears.

DP does not play uselessly as scum either.

DP was not useless as town either in gsl III


you're missing the fucking point.

DP does not play uselessly AS EITHER ALIGNMENT.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 17:14 GMT
#928
On November 15 2012 02:13 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 02:12 marvellosity wrote:
On November 15 2012 02:11 iamperfection wrote:
On November 15 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
I really think DP is a bad lynch. Hopeless or debears.

DP does not play uselessly as scum either.

DP was not useless as town either in gsl III


you're missing the fucking point.

DP does not play uselessly AS EITHER ALIGNMENT.

SO THAT MAKES HIM FUCKING TOWN??!!!?!?!


it makes him neither, for fuck's sake.

If he is not useless as either A or B, then when he IS useless you can't say that he's necessarily A or B.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 17:16 GMT
#930
just... do me a favour and look into debears and Hopeless, please.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 17:24 GMT
#934
thrawn, what do you think about other players? Hopeless, debears? What do you think of BH's claim?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 17:31 GMT
#939
On November 15 2012 02:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 02:24 marvellosity wrote:
thrawn, what do you think about other players? Hopeless, debears? What do you think of BH's claim?

i think his claim's probably true... there's been no counter claim and it'd be difficult to fakeclaim this early on and hold your story straight the rest of the game. also, he came to similar conclusions as I did about the snb voting so i'm leaning town


and the rest?

we have very little to hang our hat on with you, dear.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 17:44 GMT
#941
I'm down with debears. Hopeless is slightly mindfucky to me because he keeps answering my concerns in what seems to be a legit way.

And the debears screaming about not lynching claimed JK thing is increasingly getting on my nerves, given that's the first time he mentioned it. If he's really so convinced by it why hadn't he said anything about it previously? Especially as I mentioned he hasn't minded talking about other, less relevant, claims.

On November 13 2012 10:04 debears wrote:
so now we have 2 claims d1....great


so he's tutting about claims... but doesn't mention BH's at all? Like, the really really important one?

##unvote
##vote: debears
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 17:51 GMT
#943
On November 15 2012 02:49 debears wrote:
Hey I'm the main lynch candidate now. Yahoo!!!!!!

Will address hapa in a secs. Lolololol

How long is lynch from now?


host said exactly how long half an hour ago. work it out.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 18:03 GMT
#953
On November 15 2012 03:02 debears wrote:
Lol BH *high five*

You my dawg


why didn't you comment on BH's claim?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 18:06 GMT
#958
oh yeah, missed that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 18:16 GMT
#970
On November 15 2012 03:04 strongandbig wrote:
AT: "this is a dumb town claim but a dumber scum claim"

I have yet to see why this is true.

I addressed in this post why BH specifically would make this fakeclaim as scum right now. To summarize, it's a combination of reasons: he really enjoys trolling, and he knows how good of an idea making an unverifiable fakeclaim is as scum under pressure in the current TL meta.

your argument "if he's alive in a few days" is terrible. if, in theory, he was town, there would be no reason for scum to kill him above anyone else; they could just roleblock him forever now that he's claimed, and he's taking enough heat that town doesn't get any kind of "confirmed townie" advantage from having him alive.




all that said, debears is still my second lynch choice. I guess I should say more about him than "kenpachi rule", but I won't right now because I don't have time.


There are some reasons not to lynch BH today. In any setup with 3+ blues, scum will have a roleblocker. If BH is lying, scum will have to withold all of their roleblocks. This makes the claim inherently a poor scum play.

There may yet be another Jailkeeper (or perhaps, the only jailkeeper) who doesn't want to claim, but can 'prove' their existence when a roleblock appears tonight (hopefully on me, yo ). Or 2 jailkeepers is possible (although it would require JJJ which is pretty unlikely).

I've seen a fucking appalling day 1 jailkeeper claim before on a day 1. VE did it in... er... LIII? The claim made no sense, and it was fucking stupid. We lynched him. He flipped jailkeeper. So... ugh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 18:17 GMT
#972
On November 15 2012 03:08 Blazinghand wrote:
marv although i didnt use meta in my case on ZB i dont think thats a legit meta read of me cause the usage or none usage of one tool which i only started using in the past month it is only one part of a tool box


and the rest of it?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 18:25 GMT
#977
you don't have to make a meta case to show someone is scum, debears, that's silly
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 18:31 GMT
#979
On November 15 2012 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:
oh yeah i mean ive played like poop im just saying im playing to my town meta not my scum meta


stop making pointless one-liner posts from your phone, i don't want them. there was a whole bunch of stuff i said and you said you don't always use meta. this is not helpful. Address the rest of it too when you're home.

Stop saying which meta you're playing to.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 19:07 GMT
#983
On November 15 2012 03:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:31 marvellosity wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:
oh yeah i mean ive played like poop im just saying im playing to my town meta not my scum meta


stop making pointless one-liner posts from your phone, i don't want them. there was a whole bunch of stuff i said and you said you don't always use meta. this is not helpful. Address the rest of it too when you're home.

Stop saying which meta you're playing to.


ill stop defending meta claims when people stop using it against me. dealing with specific meta claims is easy to do from the phone because i am intimately familiar with my own meta so might as well do it sooner rather than later right also if there's relevant meta in my defense im gonna talk about it and if you dont like the truth then too bad


you didn't give me the truth, you answered one fucking tiny part of my post.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 21:06 GMT
#993
On November 15 2012 05:16 Z-BosoN wrote:

Why not DarthPunk?
He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though.



i hate this. what's your read on him and why?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 21:06 GMT
#995
On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?

Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.

I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.

Is that scummy or townie.


I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town?


Stupid. I retort:

"You don't want to keep yourself alive as scum?"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 21:12 GMT
#998
Blazing, when you home? I wanna talk to you, and not in the "I want to shout at you for being a douche" way, but a "I want to talk to you about some things" way.
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