On November 14 2012 05:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Anyone willing to give their read on DarthPunk while everyone anxiously awaits Blazinghand's defense and case?

hi. i don't think he's scum at the moment.

i think BH is increasingly looking like scum, however.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 20:46 GMT

#598

On November 14 2012 05:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Marv

If he's not scum in your eyes, that means he's terrible town, or do you disagree?

I think perhaps he hasn't been playing as seriously as he could/should have been.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 21:02 GMT

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On November 14 2012 03:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Again marv, I don't care what he could have done. We're not in his mind - we don't know what he's thinking. Therefore we have to look at what he did, and the contradiction makes no damn sense from a townie perspective. How the hell do you go from "insta-convinced claim = town" to "I agree with BH case, "iamperfeciton rule", Z-Bo is scum" if you're town. No way. NOOOOO way.

This has been bugging me all afternoon. Sure, we're not in his mind, but the job of a good townie is to PUT yourself in someone else's shoes and try to best work out how/what/why they're doing or have done things.

And Hapa knows this too.

GSL 3:

On October 22 2012 07:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Tbh, I can't see scum Kei playing this carelessly. I hate to use this read again, but it seems accurate in the games I've played so far - he has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude towards suspicion against him.

Paired with how much effort I know he put into GSL I, I think he's town.

Puts himself in the shoes of a player who was outwardly playing scummily (lurking, not giving reads, etc.). And his read there is that he doesn't see scum Kei doing whatever he was doing.

In this game though:

On November 14 2012 03:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Again marv, I don't care what he could have done. We're not in his mind - we don't know what he's thinking.

He's not willing to put the same thinking process into iamperfection, and this reeks, especially as my main argument in defence of iamperfection is why the fuck would he vote for Z-Bo of all people after his earlier town read on him.

You have to think about what he could/should/would do and what iamp did there does not line up with how I see him playing scum, and for some reason Hapa does not address this. He gives some bad 'scum motive' but at the same time doesn't address anything at all with how iamp in particular was thinking at the time.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 21:03 GMT

#608

On November 14 2012 06:00 Blazinghand wrote:

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spoken like a guy who doesn't know how to crack jokes

way easier to crack jokes than to contribute, dont see why it's odd

stop spamming up the thread.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 21:07 GMT

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On November 14 2012 06:07 Blazinghand wrote:

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Absolutely, but cracking jokes isn't a scum tell any more than being inactive in general is. Town players play anti-town all the time. Someone who's posting but with zero content is "active lurking" which is functionally equivalent to lurking-- just as scummy, no more, no less.

why don't you do something useful like answer the case against you?

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 21:08 GMT

#616

ninjad xD

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 22:12 GMT

#637

Clarity, I've put the quiz on ice, it wasn't as awesome as I'd hoped.

On November 14 2012 07:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Scumslips don't exist. Townies "scumslip" as much as scum do. There are scum mindsets and scum ways of doing things, but revealing "extra info" or telling someone you're scum inadvertently happens equally to scum or town. It's self-serving of me to mention this, but it's also true.

townies don't HAVE extra info, so they can't reveal it. duh.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 22:19 GMT

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On November 14 2012 07:17 Blazinghand wrote:

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Townies make statements that appear to be scumslips. You know this as well as I do, and regularly fight against bad cases based on so-called scumslips all the time. Don't play dumb.

not with extra information stuff, no.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 22:21 GMT

#647

no Hapa, the point is you're not putting yourself in scum iamp shoes, not town iamp shoes.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 22:23 GMT

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On November 14 2012 07:22 Blazinghand wrote:

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Yes, they do. All the time.

that's a logical fallacy, because they don't have extra information to slip.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 22:29 GMT

#657

Blazing, you still haven't answered why you're attacking Z-Bo so heavily for his s&b vote when there's a slew of other people who made very similar votes.

And stop calling his case OMGUS, it's tedious.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 22:34 GMT

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On November 14 2012 07:31 Blazinghand wrote:

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Z&B was hopping around and trying to start wagons until one stuck, then he did, and it stuck. He is the scummiest, and I will lynch him. Other people might also be scummy, but that's not my main concern: I've caught scum. It's a waste of my time and attention to think about these other, worse candidates beyond the normal examination of their posts and the cases against him.

he uses his vote as a way to pressure people and he's "hopping around trying to start wagons"? Like one or two hours into the game?

What drugs are you on?

Attacking your attacker isn't just OMGUS, his case is clearly more than just OMGUS. My vote on Palmar in Rock Band at the start was OMGUS.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 22:54 GMT

#668

Claiming with 3 votes on you with 27 hours remaining in the day as jailkeeper is the most fucking stupid thing you've ever done if you're town.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 22:55 GMT

#669

for fuck's sake, blazing.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 22:57 GMT

#673

I am absurdly angry at you if you are town, BH.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 22:58 GMT

#674

On November 14 2012 07:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Well thanks for breaking the ice there marv. I'm a bit speechless myself.

My first impression is that this is the most needlessly reckless play ever for scum to do. Ever. On the other hand, the claim itself is such an overreaction to the suspicion on him. The former explanation seems more likely to me... but like damn dude...

oh pish, prplhz claimed cop with 3 votes on him in NMM2 day 1 and he was scum.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 23:05 GMT

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seems a terrible fakeclaim for scum to make.

there is almost certainly a scum roleblocker and so basically scum are giving up all their roleblocks for this claim, because BH would have to soak up the scum roleblock every night. Further he's a sitting duck later on.

As town it's also fucking retarded though. Fuck.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 23:06 GMT

#682

On November 14 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Im here via phone now. I've claimed because this discussion on lynching me is a waste of time. I wont make the same mistake twice and after chewing out BKEXE last game I dont wan to look like an idiot

youre welcome to be mad at me but at least let me soak up a bullet/rb tonight and potentially stop the scum NK

you don't fucking stop anything, scum roleblocks you and kills me, or scum roleblocks you and kills you.

you fucking idiot.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 23:07 GMT

#685

but you're a fucking idiot and i am so mad right now.

marvellosity

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November 13 2012 23:08 GMT

#688

scum always want to kill me.

and woop de do for our other blues. you've basically just removed our (probably only) protective role for the sake of 3 god damn votes.