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On November 16 2012 05:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless do you plan on posting a detailed read on me while giving me time to respond tonight? I'll be around before the NK.
Yes, I plan to have it in the hour before deadline.
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That's why I've reverted to my lurking state.
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fine, i like lurking, you happy now?
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stupid peer pressure..fine
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On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Darthpunk... maybe. Best I've got, working on a case right now but not liking how it's turning out. Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot. If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter. It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town. The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot) After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 15:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine.
The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B.
I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit.
I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is.
@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.
He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Eh. I wouldn;t say I had a particularly strong read on S&B.
##Unvote Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions? You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither? ##Vote DarthPunk
Case isn't really working, but he votes DP anyways. He's already addressed this, in response to Hapa:
On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa
What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.
I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.
I did provide analysis.
The back and forth between Clarity and Hapa has been kind of meh. I'm looking for connections that may not exist, but Hapa later votes for DP when Darth makes a case on Clarity but doesn't vote. DP explicitly said he would make a case on clarity:
On November 15 2012 01:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Clarity Is a gut scum read. I couldn't tell you exactly why. but something is off. I plan to look through clarities filter when I get up.
Its bad of him to not vote for his scum read, but good of him to provide the case he said he would. It was also really close to deadline so the chances of swinging votes onto a new case was unlikely.
On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.
@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this.
Clarity's vote was on DarthPunk at this point. How do you screw this up?
On November 15 2012 01:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
I just realized I got DP and BH mixed up big time. I said DP isn't getting lynched today and that's completely false... TT
Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP.
On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say?
The consolidation reasoning between me and debears is really shitty. He doesn't care who dies, but would prefer me, because Hapa is unlikely to die while pushing debears and they get to push his mislynch after mine
On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?
Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.
I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.
Is that scummy or townie.
I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town?
This post rubs me the wrong way, its twisting DP's response. DP didn't want to give town lies/false information. That's a townie sentiment. Staying alive is great, but if it costs you your credibility or doesn't actually catch scum, its not useful.
On November 15 2012 06:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's my point. He's implying it means he's town. It doesn't.
I basically disagree with this conclusion
On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases?
Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine.
On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them.
I could see him being complacent, considering he's not up for the lynch, but these posts are kind of filler. They helped push me to get off the hook, but he didn't really need to tell me to do this.
On November 15 2012 07:48 Clarity_nl wrote:Thanks hopeless for posting your thoughts. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though. Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand: Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS.
180 on his read concerning me/debears. Could be legit, but it took a while for him to say it. Meanwhile, his vote has been parked on DP for ages
On November 15 2012 08:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Debears your case boils down to: "Hapa hasn't posted a meta read so the rest of his case doesn't matter"
Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made?
Debears was 100% right to demand this of Hapa. Weak connection tell.
On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat.
That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense.
I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist.
##Unvote
##Vote Z-BosoN
Blind Sheep, no accountability in his actions. "propensity"
Despite all that time revising his read between me and debears, his vote finally moves so he can sheep Marv's case
On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now.
@ Hapa
Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't.
"My scumreads aren't important."
On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo.
Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo
On November 15 2012 10:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing, get your vote somewhere useful.
Z-Boson, get your vote somewhere.
On November 15 2012 10:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:45 marvellosity wrote:
yeah this is gonna be a mislynch Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though.
On November 15 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
We're not killing debears. We're killing either zbo or you, so you better vote zbo. Unless you're superawesometown who sacrifices himself for the sake of town. I'd buy that.
On November 15 2012 10:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well, at least we'll have lots of information to look over when this shitstorm is over.
Lots of summarizing the current events without doing anything useful. Re-read his filter leading up to the lynch. He keeps redirecting people to vote the latest bandwagon, fueling the chaos.
When its finally Hapa, he's finally had enough of the last-minute shenanigans
On November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day.
On November 15 2012 11:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is it bad of me that I still feel that was fucking dumb as shit?
On November 15 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazinghand, before I forget, in the last hour of night I'd like you to post your night action.
Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics.
Clarity isn't seen pushing his own reads, just commenting on the fact that they're still there and he's considering the consolidation targets. Other than that, his filter is full of small queries for everyone flitting in and out of the thread.
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On November 16 2012 08:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was the voice of fucking reason during the final hour, yet you accuse me of "fueling the chaos"
I respectfully disagree. My case is there. General tone is not actually attempting to scumhunt, its to look active.
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On November 16 2012 08:25 marvellosity wrote:
what does the case do for your read on hopeless, clar?
Not sure what i make of the case itself, whether it's genuine or not. Some of it is silly like mixing names up. Why does that have to be scummy?
The quote where it says "my scumreads aren't important"
Clarity in that quote was saying that he would address DarthPunk's case ON Clarity, as Clarity wasn't getting lynched day 1, which isn't the same thing at all.
You're right not the same thing, but how many times does clarity say DP is his read, and how many times does he do anything about it? Would this not have been a reasonable opportunity to push DP?
Also, how often do you mistake who your top read is? Or who you are currently voting for?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=46#905
On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.
@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this.
reread that section of the thread, skim the previous page, and tell me thats not a very strange mistake, as though he 'forgot' who he was voting or thought DP had claimed JK. I can't see a townie fucking that up if DP is actually their scumread, for as long as DP was his scumread.
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On November 16 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was talking to darth, and then blazing posted, and I thought it was still darth talking.
Someone comment on whether they believe this statement
On November 16 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Again, explain my motivation as scum to switch two people like an idiot.
There's no motivation behind it, you just forgot who you were voting, or thought DP claimed JK. You weren't reading properly or something, I don't know, but its not townie.
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I'm waiting until 1hr to go mark
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On November 16 2012 09:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay well you're obviously not going to convince me, so I'd like you to pick someone and converse with them about the possibility of me being scum.
That's basically why I'm waiting.
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iamperfection:
[QUOTE]On November 16 2012 09:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 16 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was talking to darth, and then blazing posted, and I thought it was still darth talking.
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Someone comment on whether they believe this statement
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EBWOP:
iamperfection:
On November 16 2012 09:15 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was talking to darth, and then blazing posted, and I thought it was still darth talking.
Someone comment on whether they believe this statement
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On November 16 2012 09:44 Blazinghand wrote:
Hopeless' case is utterly unreasonable
Very well. I expect you to catch the remaining scumteam immediately upon daypost.
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On November 16 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
like i misspoke as well before hopeless in regards to s&b
Yes, but the number of times that clarity says DP is his scum read, does nothing about it, and manages to make that mistake are not things I'd consider 'being a town player'.
I don't have a strong argument for why it was heavily scum motivated. I can make one up to suit my case, but I could do that to every player in the game. We lynched Hapa in a clusterfuck of a last minute shitstorm. Associative tells go to shit. 'Pushing a scum agenda' reads go to shit. I found what I thought was non-town behavior and I made a case.
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Okay everyone, out of the woodwork its safe to post now
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@BH's concerns with me:
The list post was me legitimately thinking I could die and putting what I could out there before I died. Also, Whose Line had the alphabet game going on. Being concise was of paramount importance that game, as cross can testify to. Last thing...we were confirmed town to one another in that game. That may be colouring your interpretation of the situation, as you KNEW my case on BKE was sincere, whereas you don't know this game, and I'm playing an arguably worse game.
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iamperfection:
On your thrawn read, i want to know more about this before I'm willing to lynch him:
On November 15 2012 09:28 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 09:16 marvellosity wrote:On November 15 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
marv do you have any problems with boson that aren't meta related? Generally speaking Z-Boson has not been involved with town at all, and while that directly contradicts his meta, it is scummy in its own right. An almost identical reference to this is HiroPro in Rock Band, who I found scum for meta reasons, and one of those reasons was that he was not invested in the thread. And his DP stuff I don't like, and just the general wording of some of his stuff I don't like (this is all in my case if I read it). And to preempt "I'm trying to change my style" defence. You can try to change your style to post more concisely, but the underlying player is still the same. Z-Boson would not suddenly become way more confident in his reads; however posts are presented it's not like he miraculously becomes 100% more certain on his reads as town. then why are you singling out boson as opposed to any of the other people who have a similar or smaller amount of content? there are people with less contributions including myself. it looks like the case is built entirely upon a meta read. that brings me to what i've been worrying about for awhile now... i'm surprised that marv and hapa specifically haven't been questioning me harder than they have been. maybe some of the other people i've played with too, but those two specifically should know that my play looks nothing like it normally does.
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On November 16 2012 10:26 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 08:03 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Darthpunk... maybe. Best I've got, working on a case right now but not liking how it's turning out. Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot. If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter. It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town. The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot) After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 15:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine.
The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B.
I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit.
I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is.
@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.
He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Eh. I wouldn;t say I had a particularly strong read on S&B.
##Unvote Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions? You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither? ##Vote DarthPunk Case isn't really working, but he votes DP anyways. He's already addressed this, in response to Hapa: On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa
What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.
I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.
I did provide analysis. The back and forth between Clarity and Hapa has been kind of meh. I'm looking for connections that may not exist, but Hapa later votes for DP when Darth makes a case on Clarity but doesn't vote. DP explicitly said he would make a case on clarity: On November 15 2012 01:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Clarity Is a gut scum read. I couldn't tell you exactly why. but something is off. I plan to look through clarities filter when I get up.
Its bad of him to not vote for his scum read, but good of him to provide the case he said he would. It was also really close to deadline so the chances of swinging votes onto a new case was unlikely.
On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.
@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this. Clarity's vote was on DarthPunk at this point. How do you screw this up?On November 15 2012 01:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
I just realized I got DP and BH mixed up big time. I said DP isn't getting lynched today and that's completely false... TT
Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP.
On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? The consolidation reasoning between me and debears is really shitty. He doesn't care who dies, but would prefer me, because Hapa is unlikely to die while pushing debears and they get to push his mislynch after mine
On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?
Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.
I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.
Is that scummy or townie.
I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town? This post rubs me the wrong way, its twisting DP's response. DP didn't want to give town lies/false information. That's a townie sentiment. Staying alive is great, but if it costs you your credibility or doesn't actually catch scum, its not useful. On November 15 2012 06:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's my point. He's implying it means he's town. It doesn't. I basically disagree with this conclusion
On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases?
Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine. On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them. I could see him being complacent, considering he's not up for the lynch, but these posts are kind of filler. They helped push me to get off the hook, but he didn't really need to tell me to do this.
On November 15 2012 07:48 Clarity_nl wrote:Thanks hopeless for posting your thoughts. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though. Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand: Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS.
On November 15 2012 08:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Debears your case boils down to: "Hapa hasn't posted a meta read so the rest of his case doesn't matter"
Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made? Debears was 100% right to demand this of Hapa. Weak connection tell.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat.
That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense.
I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist.
##Unvote
##Vote Z-BosoN Blind Sheep, no accountability in his actions. "propensity" Despite all that time revising his read between me and debears, his vote finally moves so he can sheep Marv's case
On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now.
@ Hapa
Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't. "My scumreads aren't important."
On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo.
Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo On November 15 2012 10:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing, get your vote somewhere useful.
Z-Boson, get your vote somewhere.
On November 15 2012 10:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:45 marvellosity wrote:
yeah this is gonna be a mislynch Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though. On November 15 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
We're not killing debears. We're killing either zbo or you, so you better vote zbo. Unless you're superawesometown who sacrifices himself for the sake of town. I'd buy that. On November 15 2012 10:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well, at least we'll have lots of information to look over when this shitstorm is over. Lots of summarizing the current events without doing anything useful. Re-read his filter leading up to the lynch. He keeps redirecting people to vote the latest bandwagon, fueling the chaos.
When its finally Hapa, he's finally had enough of the last-minute shenanigansOn November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day. On November 15 2012 11:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is it bad of me that I still feel that was fucking dumb as shit?
On November 15 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazinghand, before I forget, in the last hour of night I'd like you to post your night action. Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics.
Clarity isn't seen pushing his own reads, just commenting on the fact that they're still there and he's considering the consolidation targets. Other than that, his filter is full of small queries for everyone flitting in and out of the thread . You know what is really funny HOPELESS DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WHEN I MENTIONED THE WHOLE HAPA DIDN'T MAKE ANY META ON ME. HOPELESS THOUGHT I WAS SCUM AND DIDN'T CHANGE HIS VOTE. HE NEVER STATED THIS AT THE TIME. HE'S LYING AND MAKING SHIT UP right?
Hapa has since flipped scum. Of course you were right. I was wrong. I WAS WRONG.
I WAS WRONG, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME SCUM
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On November 16 2012 10:42 debears wrote:
If BH is indeed JK, marv is town, DP is town, and Z-Bo is town
Mafia sure had a hard time deciding nk lol
Z-Bo could just as easily be scum instead of SnB on your list.
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On November 16 2012 10:44 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 16 2012 10:26 debears wrote:On November 16 2012 08:03 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Darthpunk... maybe. Best I've got, working on a case right now but not liking how it's turning out. Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot. If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter. It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town. The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot) After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 15:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine.
The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B.
I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit.
I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is.
@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.
He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Eh. I wouldn;t say I had a particularly strong read on S&B.
##Unvote Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions? You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither? ##Vote DarthPunk Case isn't really working, but he votes DP anyways. He's already addressed this, in response to Hapa: On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa
What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.
I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.
I did provide analysis. The back and forth between Clarity and Hapa has been kind of meh. I'm looking for connections that may not exist, but Hapa later votes for DP when Darth makes a case on Clarity but doesn't vote. DP explicitly said he would make a case on clarity: On November 15 2012 01:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Clarity Is a gut scum read. I couldn't tell you exactly why. but something is off. I plan to look through clarities filter when I get up.
Its bad of him to not vote for his scum read, but good of him to provide the case he said he would. It was also really close to deadline so the chances of swinging votes onto a new case was unlikely.
On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued.
@ Darth
You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this. Clarity's vote was on DarthPunk at this point. How do you screw this up?On November 15 2012 01:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
I just realized I got DP and BH mixed up big time. I said DP isn't getting lynched today and that's completely false... TT
Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP.
On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? The consolidation reasoning between me and debears is really shitty. He doesn't care who dies, but would prefer me, because Hapa is unlikely to die while pushing debears and they get to push his mislynch after mine
On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?
Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.
I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.
Is that scummy or townie.
I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town? This post rubs me the wrong way, its twisting DP's response. DP didn't want to give town lies/false information. That's a townie sentiment. Staying alive is great, but if it costs you your credibility or doesn't actually catch scum, its not useful. On November 15 2012 06:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's my point. He's implying it means he's town. It doesn't. I basically disagree with this conclusion
On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases?
Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine. On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them. I could see him being complacent, considering he's not up for the lynch, but these posts are kind of filler. They helped push me to get off the hook, but he didn't really need to tell me to do this.
On November 15 2012 07:48 Clarity_nl wrote:Thanks hopeless for posting your thoughts. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though. Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand: Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS.
On November 15 2012 08:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Debears your case boils down to: "Hapa hasn't posted a meta read so the rest of his case doesn't matter"
Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made? Debears was 100% right to demand this of Hapa. Weak connection tell.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat.
That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense.
I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist.
##Unvote
##Vote Z-BosoN Blind Sheep, no accountability in his actions. "propensity" Despite all that time revising his read between me and debears, his vote finally moves so he can sheep Marv's case
On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now.
@ Hapa
Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't. "My scumreads aren't important."
On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo.
Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo On November 15 2012 10:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing, get your vote somewhere useful.
Z-Boson, get your vote somewhere.
On November 15 2012 10:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:45 marvellosity wrote:
yeah this is gonna be a mislynch Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though. On November 15 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
We're not killing debears. We're killing either zbo or you, so you better vote zbo. Unless you're superawesometown who sacrifices himself for the sake of town. I'd buy that. On November 15 2012 10:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well, at least we'll have lots of information to look over when this shitstorm is over. Lots of summarizing the current events without doing anything useful. Re-read his filter leading up to the lynch. He keeps redirecting people to vote the latest bandwagon, fueling the chaos.
When its finally Hapa, he's finally had enough of the last-minute shenanigansOn November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day. On November 15 2012 11:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is it bad of me that I still feel that was fucking dumb as shit?
On November 15 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazinghand, before I forget, in the last hour of night I'd like you to post your night action. Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics.
Clarity isn't seen pushing his own reads, just commenting on the fact that they're still there and he's considering the consolidation targets. Other than that, his filter is full of small queries for everyone flitting in and out of the thread . You know what is really funny HOPELESS DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WHEN I MENTIONED THE WHOLE HAPA DIDN'T MAKE ANY META ON ME. HOPELESS THOUGHT I WAS SCUM AND DIDN'T CHANGE HIS VOTE. HE NEVER STATED THIS AT THE TIME. HE'S LYING AND MAKING SHIT UP right? Hapa has since flipped scum. Of course you were right. I was wrong. I WAS WRONG. I WAS WRONG, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME SCUM YOU'RE ACCUSING HIM OF NOT THINKING ANYTHING OF IT AT THE TIME WHEN YOU DIDN'T. CONTRADICTION MUCH?
Massive contradiction. I don't care, its a reason for me to think that a player who is not me (me=town) is potentially scum.
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