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On November 14 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
i'm starting to ponder debears also Looking at debears, there's not much to say other than there's not much substance in his 4-page filter. Lots of short, 1/2 line posts with banter. He jumps on Hopeless really quickly, who's one of the easier targets in the game. He's then pretty quick to jump on iamperfection, and has been pushing that "read" since. As previously stated, his "vote post" looks like an overkill-case. But the thing that really sticks out to me is that he's been tunneling iamperfection for the last few hours yet still has his vote on Hopeless. He's using a lot of strong language against iamperfection (much stronger than against hopeless), and from his filter it looks like iamperfection is his top scumread. At this point he's much more content to push the read on iamperfection than his one on Hopeless, and I see no townie reason why his vote isn't where his mouth is. ##Unvote##Vote debears
i might be able to get behind this but i will wait for him to respond. Looking at it your absolutely right because i had to double check i could have sworn his vote was on me but it in fact isn't. He did use strong language but didnt put the vote out there and was curios to see what others thought (Testing the waters maybe?)
however i will wait for him to respond.
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it takes some balls for kickstart to do what he is doing right now in going after hapa if he in fact was scum and hapa town. even if he isnt aware of the quality of player that he is dealing a scum kickstart would have a qt and would be made aware by his scum buddies of the players in the game i dont see a scum kickstart trying to take down hapa.
stupid town i would say on him.
Also where not gonna lynch bh sorry kickstart i have come around with no counter there is absolutely no reason to lynch at this time.
+ Show Spoiler +although it would quite enjoyable to lynch to confirm his teribad play this game but alas we have to lynch scum dont we.
and this is me talking down to you bh.
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On November 14 2012 13:10 debears wrote:
ugh catching up so far behind right now....let me know up front if you need questions and i'll get to them once i catch up
well i think the obvious question is whats the deal with not having a 10 page filter by now?
oh also your tunneling on me looks bad now because almost everyone thinks im town now. Also you didn't vote me despite it looking like i was your top scumread.
so you could start with that.
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but unfortunately way past my bed time so i will have to see your answers in the morning 
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next person that says i haven't explained something please point to exactly where i havent explained something.
Debars i have explained exactly everything i thought about zbos in this post
On November 14 2012 08:26 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 08:10 iamperfection wrote:On November 14 2012 07:26 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 07:21 marvellosity wrote:
no Hapa, the point is you're not putting yourself in scum iamp shoes, not town iamp shoes. His rationale and motive make sense to me from a scum perspective - I've already mentioned that. Making a 180 when spurred by another case is scummy and convenient. I realize you disagree, but I think you're wrong. And to draw comparisons to the read on Kei you mentioned in GSL III - I find imaperfection's actions alone much more scummy than Kei's actions in GSL III. Kei has a history of reluctant D1 play. Iamperfection doesn't have a history of these things in his town play to my knowledge. Hapa tunnels me almost always regardless of mine or his alignment i dont get why he seems to think ive committed some sort of crime but whatever he can continue to waste time on me or go for something more legitimate. Either way his tunneling of me doesn't tell me anything about his alignment for the time being. However hapa eventually opens up in his decision making process if he is town. Hapa if your scum just continue to waste my time because it will become so clear that your scum. I did what i did you didnt like it tough for you. Either go cry in corner about it if your scum or find some actual scum. @ iampCan you explain your thought process on Z-Bo to me because I just can't understand it. Why were you so initially convinced he was town based on his claim? Is the case you posted on him the only things you find scummy about him? I can't connect the dots. alright my thinking early on when i first saw it was i thought it would be pretty ballsy to do as scum since i thought a scum would have to worry about another miller claiming and it kind of put himself out there. I already outlined later when i voted for him that his actions made me think that he was scum at that time. Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 00:04 iamperfection wrote:On November 13 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote:On November 13 2012 11:52 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think. Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum. From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game. you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum. Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking. The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o. Yep. I would not. I would not vote day one for Hapa or marv either. Unless there was something super obvious I would not vote for them. But I do not think that would happen because they are all good players and that is why I respect them I suppose. Honestly I think it's bad to tie yourself down with ideas like that. If someone's playing scummy, they're playing scummy. My scum play isn't amazing, but due to my extreme sex appeal and enormous intelligence and penis, I can assure you that it's improved a great deal. Mostly it's due to my large penis-- it is quite a monstrosity. It works as a pad, even. Back on topic, don't feel like you can't vote or push people because of possible contributions. This kind of play is lazy and puts preconceived notions of what certain players are worth ahead of behavioral analysis. Someone voting for me because they legitimately think I'm scum and they have the cojones to do it is infinitely more helpful to town than someone not voting me because I'm a sexy baller. That being said, iamperfection's vote is pretty typical iamperfection throwing his vote around trying to pressure people but not doing it effectively. He needs to realize that you should vote people when you want to lynch them, or else you won't be taken seriously. LOL dont you dare talk down to me you little punk. You criticize me when YOU were the one being all terrible with your first couple of posts. Being all herp derp i don't have to contribute even though interesting things were happening at the time. Give me a break But that being said ## Unvote Your case on zbos reminds me more of your play from rockband more then the way you were being early on. Lokking at what zbos has posted especially this crap which bh pointed out On November 13 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:Loving the activity so far. What I'm not loving is the excess of activity coming from debears. He's being very chit-chatty this game and here's what I find very interesting. He has commented on every single little thing on this game and is posting a ton (which by itself is anti-town, as it clogs up the thread and makes it difficult to read), but when dealing with the only significant thing that has yet happened in this thread, he simply shrugs it off as: On November 13 2012 09:46 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Eh. If it's down to lylo we'll need to take a strong look at it if he's alive. Other than that, nothing much to talk about with the claim For someone who is analytical enough to attempt to judge marv's early game reactions, he's sure not being analytical about my claim. This smells scummy to me. ##vote debears If you look closely debears never said anything about being able to tell if marv is town or not from an anyltical standpoint he made it pretty clear that it was not the case and that he had said he was simply going to vote for him no matter what. Zbos totally misrepresents what is being said here and if he has the courage to throw a vote out for it you would have thought he would have read clearly what he was in fact voting for. On November 13 2012 11:05 Z-BosoN wrote:@Hapa: To be honest, I've had an opposite reaction from iamp's trusting of me. I think scum would think twice before openly accepting any townie claim. In his last scum game, iirc, he was much pickier on his town reads. May be wrong here. @debearsOn November 13 2012 10:16 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:13 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum
but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one Glad I beat you to it. Interesting way to claim VT though. Actually I find that suspicious as fuck. ##Unvote##Vote strongandbigDebears, I hope your posting improves throughout this game. Also, what do you mean by "that argument again?". z-bo, I face an onslaught of fluff accusations d1 last game. And, in the end, was night killed d1 after having 2/3 of my top reads being the two scum :D Great, grats. So you suffer an onslaught of fluff accusations day one, and yet you still plague the thread with fluff? Do you find nothing wrong with that? @marvSo you say that you fit best the description of actively lurking, and pretty much continue to do that? Tell me more. This post here is also another pile of crap and its the iamperfection rule of whoever defends me is probably scum. If he cared at all to check in gsl III where i was scum which he played in lollololol i thrw around 2 strong town reads early on he should know this and the fact that he isnt willing to do any legwork in order to find out is more evidence not in his favor. This post is also extremly wishy washy on everything he said. I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder. so ## Vote zboson Since then his case on bh, which i completely disagree bh with, it wasnt omgus and his further pushing of that case when he found it to be unsatisfactory response make me know think he more than ever he is likely to be town. he did that here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=33#643Zbos is being open in his thought process and he is actively pushing his read i find that to be a town attribute and makes me think even more with his prodding of bh that he is likely to be town.
If thats not good enough too bad.
As to your other point on guilty conscience or whatever i do in fact do think about how my posts look to the town and i do this regardless of alignment i was well aware that i said i had town view of zboson early on. I think its a mute point.
As to you hopeless i dont know what your talking about not explaining myself in liquid city i was doing a fine job untill i went full retard untill the last day so if you want to point to something specific ill gladly answer but don't waste my time in saying things that are false.
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right now i would not like to lynch debars since he was some what stubborn and agressive in his approach to me so i would like him to stick around
I would be more understanding of DP if he had 3 or 4 games but i think he is a big enough boy to handle to 2 games and the best he can do is cast some idle suspicion with out any reasons? Ya he can go.
##Vote Darthpunk
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On November 14 2012 22:54 marvellosity wrote:
iamp, who do you wanna lynch buddy
well that should clear things up
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On November 14 2012 23:06 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues that sir is what's called "pushing your luck" Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Thrawn is more right than he's wrong. More stalling, excuses, and mentioning other games in progress from DP.
##unvote
##vote: Darthpunk BH posted this after reading exactly the same explanation from DP that I read, and exactly the same comments on DP's meta from marv as I read, and doing exactly the same amount of work looking into DP's actual scum/town meta as I did (none) - and yet he comes up with a vote? Without at all addressing the points from Marv and from himself about DP's meta? And without addressing the other game in progress issue - which isn't an "unverifiable irl excuse," we can go look at the thread - and yet he comes up with a vote? guys what we have out of BH is not just a scummy and needless claim - we have a scummy and needless claim from a player who isn't playing up to his usual town standard in several ways - bad cases - trolling/fluff while taking the easy opportunity to gain points by attacking other people for fluff and most importantly - the huge mismatch in thread presence, thread control, and town organization between BH's last town game (whose line) and this game And then we have Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues BH psychology: he just saw me do well - not win, except for self-declaring victory, but do much better than I should have given how the game started out - he saw me do well by fakeclaiming blue and then really pushing that fakeclaim hard. He also just had what I assume must be a trollgasm from evoking ridiculous reactions from Keirathi in that same game. Now he's claimed blue for no good reason, and it's a blue role that he can "verify" easily by withholding KP, or that he can make unverifiable by claiming to be roleblocked. There's no way a town BH decides "there are 3 or 4 votes on me, like 30 hours before the lynch - time to claim!" I just don't believe that thought process is real. ##vote: blazinghand
do you honestly think you can manage to make this happen.
He claimed jk with a breadcrumb on day 1 no counter claim his claim timing was wierd from a scum perspective. Yes he hasent played well but its not gonna happen dude,
I would take great enjoyment in lynching him but i have come to the conclusion that his claim likely means he is town.
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On November 14 2012 23:11 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 23:07 strongandbig wrote:On November 14 2012 22:57 strongandbig wrote:On November 14 2012 14:46 debears wrote:
On iamp
Alright guys, I really need someone to give me a good answer on this question, which everyone has failed to do
Why would town iamp
1) Switch his vote, agreeing with the case of someone he thought was scummy 30 minutes earlier after 1 case?
you idiot I already explained this TL uses military time it was 12 hours and 30 minutes sorry debears that was a little harsh. I should have said "lol didn't read" or "fool!" instead of "you idiot." No idiot is justified. I am wayyyy wrong on that. Thankyou for pointing that out. Eh iamp I rescind my arguments on you
good for you dear
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just trying the dear on marv want to see how it feels
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On November 14 2012 23:15 debears wrote:
how does it feel ^^
Iamp and marv
What do you feel about the DP wagon going on?
Honestly, I feel that his play is a null tell at this point. I'd be willing to give him a second day to shape up and show some usefulness. Meanwhile, Hopeless has acted like he is contributing and really hasn't done anything
wheres my vote?
I would expect some down turn in activity from dp with two games going but not this much also he knows better than casting suspicion without giving reasons.
I feel pretty good on a flip of him.
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hopeless lurks somewhat from what i remember
i kind of like thrawn with his post here
On November 13 2012 15:29 thrawn2112 wrote:strongandbig The vt claim stuff... eh i didn't really get a read either way on that. I interpreted that claim post as more of a joke than a hidden roleclaim. I'm suspicious of how he voted with not much of an explanation.... but then reading how fast and easily a strongandbig bandwagon immediately formed makes me even more suspicious of the bandwagon. We are like 4 hours in or something and there is already a bandwagon and 4 votes for a player. I've never seen anyone other than kushm4sta attract that many votes that early and actually flip red. Posts like this one..... Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:10 strongandbig wrote:On November 13 2012 11:03 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv
Let us into your mind a little bit - any thoughts/suspicions thusfar? not a lot worth sharing. I think the s&b wagon is a bit silly, but s&b's last two posts are a little too... try-hard for my liking. "look how casual i am guise!!!!" lol marv it's all because you said on irc that i'm more composed when i'm scum i'm upping my game son + Show Spoiler +wifomwifomwifomwifomwifom .... are what make me think he's not scum. He's playing fast and loose and that'd be pretty risky. It was my scum strategy in irc mafia but I don't think it would work it forum mafia. I'm most concerned about darthpunk atm. First he seems a lot less "in your face" than town dp does, and I don't like his snb vote. Ironically, he seemd to vote for snb for making a shitty vote, but imo dp's vote was even worse. He later unvotes... and doesn't give a reason why... and then he votes again for snb. He actually votes for that trolly post I referenced earlier.. the whole situation leaves me with the feeling that snb is town and dp is scum and taking the easy way out by voting based on snb's blatantly trolly and silly posts. DP has this to say about snb: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:29 DarthPunk wrote:
His entire demeanour feels contrived and fake to be honest. That's the same feeling that I'm getting, except in the other direction so it worries me that DP is interpreting it how he is. Darthpunk, why did you unvote snb? I'm also concerned about kickstart. I don't like how he jumped in the thread without commenting on anything. Looks like this is his first game though so I'm not gonna judge him too early. Could be either scum not having an opinion or first time player not having an opinion. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:11 Kickstart wrote:
Just got back from school, it let out a bit early. Had a bit of catching up to do in the thread but not too much has happened yet. I would like to ask Hapa a question though, I think it is only fair since you wanted to know more about me!
Hapa: What do you think is most important for a successful Day1 for town, and how do you feel you have contributed? His other post didn't add much either. Kickstart... we've already got 7 people throwing down votes, there is plenty to talk about. Specifically, I want to hear your opinions on anything snb related. ##fos dp
He is open to the possibilities but he gives us a read on what he thought of the s&b situation and his reasoning is simmilar to how i viewed S&B that people were making a big deal with not much there and that he didnt think it was some hidden contrived way of S&B claiming vt.
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On November 14 2012 23:54 Clarity_nl wrote:I'll be back for a bit in 30-40 minutes but in an hour or two I'll be gone until 9 pm my time (6 hours before lynch). I would like some more thoughts on this please: Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 23:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think we're getting to the point where we have to consolidate a bit, narrow our focus.
As much as I want to lynch BH, I don't think lynching a blue claim day 1 is smart. If he's scum that's great, he definitely might be, but if he flips JK or VT we're fucked. There won't be any useful information for us.
@ everyone
Is it safe to say that not idiotic lynch candidates are: Thrawn, Darthpunk, Hopeless, Crossfire and MAYBE debears? iamp I urge you to look elsewhere than BH for the time being, and revisit this tomorrow. Lynching him today would simply be bad.
i think you mean S&B
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who you felling now marv? You jumped off hopeless so who is your strongest read right now?
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i think blazing is posting off of one of these
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On November 15 2012 01:01 DarthPunk wrote:
SO it seems as if he case against me boils down to meta almost completely and yet my play this game conforms to neither my town nor my scum meta.
Let me tell you what I was doing today. I know people hate this kind of shit. But honestly FU all.
I am house sitting for my sister whilst she goes to Vietnam and Thailand for a month. She leaves tomorrow. So I had to pick up the keys and go over the care of her cats and dog.
Then my friend who I haven't seen for three years was here so I grabbed lunch with him. I had 4 hours in which I had time to not only post in two games, but do various chores before my friend and several others went out for dinner and drinks. I stayed out till now when it is almost 3am and then I get back completely wasted to post in this damn mafia thread with a bunch of idiots who want to mislynch me.
Yes you are idiots. The case is a meta case in which I am deviating from both my scum and my town meta. If I didn't care about being correct I could shit out some cases right now and most likely not get lynched.
I can make fucking excuses because they are true and I didn;t have the time to day to do the amount of reading I like to do in both games. So I prioritised the other game. Holy Shit. you know I need to read 4 end game filters in that game right?? And this game is progressing at a million miles an hour.
Literally I take 5 minutes to write my defence posts but it would take me hours to read enough to be comfortable pushing a lynch.
Because I give a fuck about being right in my reads. Holy shit. that is a town tell if I ever saw one.
I am drunk as fuck writing this post at 3 am when I should rightly be in bed because the best thing I can contribute right now.] is to try and prevent my mislynch.
Honestly. The meta case against me is complete bullshit because it is a shift of meta for both alignments.
Give me one more day to prove my self and to let me shape up. If I don;t you can lynch me.
Holy shit this is some bullshit.
Dont be cry baby about it prove your town by scum hunting. no one really gives a shit about your irl stuff. You are not scumhunting either do so or die at this point.
I want to win this game and if your town your not helping me win
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i thought we had come to terms that bh claim made little sense from a scum perspective? It was oddly timed and its not like he was in real pressure to die it does not feel like a scum fake claim to me.
I know darthpunk is capable of so much more until he gives me something more than his gut or his whining my vote will not change. I welcome him to do so because if he is town i want him in the game.
as for hopeless i dont feel very strong about him one way or another he has been lurking and i dont think what you have there marv is a super solid aha found scum moment but i could get behind it if dp comes back with something good and hopeless continues to lurk i can get behind it.
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lol at that vote count 11 out of 13 people have had votes on them at one time or another
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On November 14 2012 23:10 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 23:06 strongandbig wrote:On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues that sir is what's called "pushing your luck" On November 14 2012 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Thrawn is more right than he's wrong. More stalling, excuses, and mentioning other games in progress from DP.
##unvote
##vote: Darthpunk BH posted this after reading exactly the same explanation from DP that I read, and exactly the same comments on DP's meta from marv as I read, and doing exactly the same amount of work looking into DP's actual scum/town meta as I did (none) - and yet he comes up with a vote? Without at all addressing the points from Marv and from himself about DP's meta? And without addressing the other game in progress issue - which isn't an "unverifiable irl excuse," we can go look at the thread - and yet he comes up with a vote? guys what we have out of BH is not just a scummy and needless claim - we have a scummy and needless claim from a player who isn't playing up to his usual town standard in several ways - bad cases - trolling/fluff while taking the easy opportunity to gain points by attacking other people for fluff and most importantly - the huge mismatch in thread presence, thread control, and town organization between BH's last town game (whose line) and this game And then we have On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues BH psychology: he just saw me do well - not win, except for self-declaring victory, but do much better than I should have given how the game started out - he saw me do well by fakeclaiming blue and then really pushing that fakeclaim hard. He also just had what I assume must be a trollgasm from evoking ridiculous reactions from Keirathi in that same game. Now he's claimed blue for no good reason, and it's a blue role that he can "verify" easily by withholding KP, or that he can make unverifiable by claiming to be roleblocked. There's no way a town BH decides "there are 3 or 4 votes on me, like 30 hours before the lynch - time to claim!" I just don't believe that thought process is real. ##vote: blazinghand ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING??? THERE ARE NO COUNTERCLAIMS FROM A JK/RB, AND YOU WANT TO LYNCH A JK CLAIM DAY 1???
debars did comment on it with caps lock no less
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On November 15 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
I really think DP is a bad lynch. Hopeless or debears.
DP does not play uselessly as scum either.
DP was not useless as town either in gsl III
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