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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 21:51 GMT
#624
I wouldn't say tunneling someone is considered defending yourself. I don't disagree with this notion. If you're town just scumhunt and the fact that you're town will shine through, but don't accuse someone else of not defending themselves.

Where did he mention you're threatened by his claim?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 21:56 GMT
#627
But, you're not scum, right? So you don't feel threatened, right?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 22:01 GMT
#630
But you didn't say "Scum wouldn't be threatened", you said "I'm not threatened"
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 22:03 GMT
#633
I'd love someone else's input on this phrasing. Am I reading too much into it?

Marv if you're gonna do quiztime it should be soon. I plan on going to bed at NOT 4 am since I have to be up 3 am tomorrow for lynchtime.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 22:04 GMT
#635
On November 14 2012 07:02 Blazinghand wrote:
Are you saying I townslipped because a scum player would refer to himself as scum?


No. I see it more as a scumslip.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 22:13 GMT
#639
I've heard that before and I don't necessarily disagree, but this really stood out to me. I wasn't digging for it, I was simply asking questions, and the things you told me were:

-Zbo said that scum would be threatened by his miller claim
-Scum wouldn't be threatened by his miller claim
-You are not threatened by his miller claim

Sure, you could mean that as a townie you're not threatened by his claim, but why would you say this? Especially if, as town, you think he's scum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 22:17 GMT
#642
On November 14 2012 07:15 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
I've heard that before and I don't necessarily disagree, but this really stood out to me. I wasn't digging for it, I was simply asking questions, and the things you told me were:

-Zbo said that scum would be threatened by his miller claim
-Scum wouldn't be threatened by his miller claim
-You are not threatened by his miller claim

Sure, you could mean that as a townie you're not threatened by his claim, but why would you say this? Especially if, as town, you think he's scum.


No, I mentioned I wasn't threatened by the claim, then you asked me about it, then I expanded on it. I was responding to him claiming I was threatened by his claim, and everything I've said is correct.


But he never said you were threatened. He said scum was threatened.

Do you see what I mean?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 22:25 GMT
#653
@ Hapa

What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.

I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.

I did provide analysis.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 22:30 GMT
#658
On November 14 2012 07:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa

What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.

I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.

I did provide analysis.


So you're suggesting that he's active lurking or something like that?


I'm suggesting that he is blending in. Afterwards it got pointed out that he's also in Acme right now, another active mafia game, and I adjusted my case accordingly.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 22:34 GMT
#662
On November 14 2012 07:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 07:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 14 2012 07:27 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa

What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him"
The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely.

I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me.

I did provide analysis.


So you're suggesting that he's active lurking or something like that?


I'm suggesting that he is blending in. Afterwards it got pointed out that he's also in Acme right now, another active mafia game, and I adjusted my case accordingly.


That's fair - didn't really understand your word-choice at first, but I can't blame ya for it


I guess it's because I just started the post and ended it. I spellchecked but that's it.
So I started out with "Yeah making a case on him isn't working"
But I guess I did end up making a case on him, heh. I just wanted to put thoughts out there that weren't about BH, as I felt others were flying under the radar.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 22:57 GMT
#672
Eh....
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 23:06 GMT
#683
Okay so, best move on and wait a bit to see if there's a counter claim?
Were you around all this time iamp, or did you just return?
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 23:14 GMT
#699
Blazing, you didn't HAVE to claim. I guess it's too late for that though, so let's leave that till post game.
Do you still believe Zbo is scum, and who else do you have scumreads on? Give us as much information as possible this daycycle.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 23:34 GMT
#708
I'm gonna go to bed soon, getting late.

Darth, I hope you show up soon and give us something to work with.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 14 2012 11:02 GMT
#839
Debears, posting where you were after the fact is useless. If you are going to be afk for 18-24 hours, you say so ahead of time.
This way we know when to expect you back and it you don't show up at that time it will be suspicious. Meaning that if there's anything going on at that time and you don't respond to it it's super scummy. Now we have nothing to go on other than you posting some homework.

On November 14 2012 14:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 14:29 debears wrote:
DP

any suspicions so far?


Slight suspicions on Clarity and S&B. But nothing that I would bring to the thread or push as a lynch. Just small mental notes of watch closely.

I am about to go out. I have some time before deadline when I will read some filters and dump some reads in the unhappy circumstance of my lynch.

I am not playing as well as I would like. The case on me is understandable.


You're suspicious of one of my town reads and me, but you're not willing to even mention why? No one is asking for a case.
If you are truly busy, yet you keep up with this thread, is typing up a message which takes a couple of minutes really too much?

I dislike how after you're being accused of being inactive and posting filler, you basically stopped posting altogether other than excuses. Now you post that you have two slight reads but won't share the information? How's that help town?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 14 2012 14:06 GMT
#865
Marv, how did Hopeless convince you to unvote him?

I think we're getting to the point where we have to consolidate a bit, narrow our focus.
As much as I want to lynch BH, I don't think lynching a blue claim day 1 is smart. If he's scum that's great, he definitely might be, but if he flips JK or VT we're fucked. There won't be any useful information for us.

@ everyone
Is it safe to say that not idiotic lynch candidates are: Thrawn, Darthpunk, Hopeless, Crossfire and MAYBE debears?

I've been having a hard time reading hapa, but the cases against him haven't convinced me whatsoever, and looking at his filter myself.... I haven't found anything I would consider scummy, but I definitely don't get a town vibe.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 14 2012 14:24 GMT
#880
On November 14 2012 23:14 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 23:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv, how did Hopeless convince you to unvote him?

I think we're getting to the point where we have to consolidate a bit, narrow our focus.
As much as I want to lynch BH, I don't think lynching a blue claim day 1 is smart. If he's scum that's great, he definitely might be, but if he flips JK or VT we're fucked. There won't be any useful information for us.

@ everyone
Is it safe to say that not idiotic lynch candidates are: Thrawn, Darthpunk, Hopeless, Crossfire and MAYBE debears?

I've been having a hard time reading hapa, but the cases against him haven't convinced me whatsoever, and looking at his filter myself.... I haven't found anything I would consider scummy, but I definitely don't get a town vibe.


He did actually seem to have looked at a couple of iamp's games, at least what he said seems true (iamp does say things like "tell me more" a lot).

Clarity, you have first hand experience of debears from last game.

Tell me about him. How is he like to play with this game compared to last? What has he given you that you were expecting, or what are you missing? Your insight is particularly valuable here.


I was rather unhappy about the accusation of active lurking, two hours in.

His activity was on par with both his scum and town play last two games (although as scum he started lurking d2 and on).
Then he went super inactive. I guess his explanation will have to do... but I'm not happy with it at all. It's not hard to anticipate you won't be on for a long stretch of time and tell us, but he didn't.

Remember when I asked debears what he thought of you, and later I explained it was more for his reaction than for a second pair of eyes on you? In the conversation before I asked him the question he said lecturing is anti-town, and you had just been busy lecturing.

On November 13 2012 11:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:40 debears wrote:
Hopeless comes in lecturing, which is anti town (remember your scumbuddy sylver last game?)


What do you think of marv so far?


I feel that scum would have answered you were leaning scum or null, because it's "inconsistent" to say you're leaning town.

The only thing that has stood out when it comes to debears' play is that he hasn't tried to be the leader, but I can't say this is because he's scum, because other explanations are he's been too inactive to try, or the fact that this isn't a newbie game so he doesn't feel the need.

From everything I've seen so far I'm not willing to lynch debears.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 14 2012 14:54 GMT
#884
I'll be back for a bit in 30-40 minutes but in an hour or two I'll be gone until 9 pm my time (6 hours before lynch).

I would like some more thoughts on this please:
On November 14 2012 23:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think we're getting to the point where we have to consolidate a bit, narrow our focus.
As much as I want to lynch BH, I don't think lynching a blue claim day 1 is smart. If he's scum that's great, he definitely might be, but if he flips JK or VT we're fucked. There won't be any useful information for us.

@ everyone
Is it safe to say that not idiotic lynch candidates are: Thrawn, Darthpunk, Hopeless, Crossfire and MAYBE debears?


iamp I urge you to look elsewhere than BH for the time being, and revisit this tomorrow. Lynching him today would simply be bad.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 14 2012 15:16 GMT
#887
Ehhhh, yes, sorry iamp. Mixed up the names.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 14 2012 15:49 GMT
#890
God blazing. I understand you're posting on your phone but do you really not have auto correct or something?

Don't spend any time defending yourself today, go do that tomorrow if you survive the night. There's no way you're getting lynched today.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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