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On November 14 2012 11:22 marvellosity wrote:
my rage is perfectly coherent.
what's even more infuriating is that you don't understand why you are bad.
any sensible townie would argue his way out of his lynch (3 votes, cmon) and only if necessary, a few hours from deadline, claim if he could absolutely not avoid getting lynched.
Jailkeeper is a very strong role and now you've made it so it cannot protect anybody, plus a confirmed bluesnipe on you, if you are town. Which I'm not even convinced of yet, I just can't bring myself to lynch the claim day 1.
Marv come the fuck on. blazinghand obviously knows this. He had such a good time trolling keirathi in Whose Line before that game's premature end, that he wants to keep it up now.
I will give 2:1 hat-eating odds that blazinghand's claim is fake. idk whether that makes him scum or town, but I'm inclined to think scum.
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On November 14 2012 11:35 marvellosity wrote:
thrawn dear, where indeed have you been?
The problem is, thrawn, is that my meta read on DarthPunk is the diametric opposite to yours.
hmm apparently both marv and bh disagree with me for agreeing that dp is usually more aggressive and in-your-face and not-wishy-washy than he is in this game. I'm pretty sure that at least one of marv and bh is town, if they were both scum BH wouldn't have claimed like that. I'll have to think a little bit or reread some darthpunk history if I really want to vote for him I guess.
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On November 14 2012 11:59 DarthPunk wrote:That game is one of the specific ones I'm thinking of in regards to dp's town play. He stays on his targets till he gets a flip, he is sorta.. aggressive.. with his language, especially when people are disagreeing with him. This game he's made extremely questionable votes while not pushing his reads. Town dp reads as the most convicted guy ever and that's not what i'm seeing this game.
The reason I don't sound convicted is that I literally have no convictions whatsoever right now. I am barely keeping up with the game. I am spending obscene amounts of time reading filters in my other game.
Once I have some clue as to the state of the game. I will be busting peoples balls and generally aggressive as per usual.
Do you think as scum I couldn't fake some contributions by now? and get all up in your faces about it. The reason I am not is because I care about being right and I have not put enough thought nor analysed enough information to be right about much at all.
My strongest read so far was a town read on BH when he was under pressure. But then he claimed JK so I didn;t need to defend him as I was planning to.
Like. What you are saying is reasonable. But playing twow games is kicking my arse and I just don;t have the time to play as well as I would like to.
Lynching me is a mislynch.
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meh this is a decent explanation for the meta mismatch.
Thrawn, still read what I said about your case. Part of it was decent and quite well-written, part of it was stupid.
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On November 14 2012 22:51 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 11:59 DarthPunk wrote:On November 14 2012 11:50 thrawn2112 wrote:That game is one of the specific ones I'm thinking of in regards to dp's town play. He stays on his targets till he gets a flip, he is sorta.. aggressive.. with his language, especially when people are disagreeing with him. This game he's made extremely questionable votes while not pushing his reads. Town dp reads as the most convicted guy ever and that's not what i'm seeing this game. The reason I don't sound convicted is that I literally have no convictions whatsoever right now. I am barely keeping up with the game. I am spending obscene amounts of time reading filters in my other game. Once I have some clue as to the state of the game. I will be busting peoples balls and generally aggressive as per usual. Do you think as scum I couldn't fake some contributions by now? and get all up in your faces about it. The reason I am not is because I care about being right and I have not put enough thought nor analysed enough information to be right about much at all. My strongest read so far was a town read on BH when he was under pressure. But then he claimed JK so I didn;t need to defend him as I was planning to. Like. What you are saying is reasonable. But playing twow games is kicking my arse and I just don;t have the time to play as well as I would like to. Lynching me is a mislynch. meh this is a decent explanation for the meta mismatch. Thrawn, still read what I said about your case. Part of it was decent and quite well-written, part of it was stupid.
a hearty fuck to whoever screwed up the quote tags in that chain, it's not hard >
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On November 14 2012 12:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:19 Kickstart wrote:
I am down for flipping you and BH at this point. I am not really interesting in arguing with you about it - I find the fact that I was down for voting BH and you, then after him claiming jk just voting for you to be perfectly reasonable. Again I want other people to weigh in though. You're fine with flipping either of two vets? I'm not comfortable lynching either bh marv or hapa on D1 unless there's some huge scumslip.
QQ why do I suck
i've been playing longer than hapa and exactly as long as marv plus i just had one of my best games ever T_T
i just need to stop spending half my games tunneling drazerk ;P
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On November 14 2012 14:46 debears wrote:
On iamp
Alright guys, I really need someone to give me a good answer on this question, which everyone has failed to do
Why would town iamp
1) Switch his vote, agreeing with the case of someone he thought was scummy 30 minutes earlier after 1 case?
you idiot I already explained this
TL uses military time
it was 12 hours and 30 minutes
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On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues
that sir is what's called "pushing your luck"
On November 14 2012 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Thrawn is more right than he's wrong. More stalling, excuses, and mentioning other games in progress from DP.
##unvote
##vote: Darthpunk
BH posted this after reading exactly the same explanation from DP that I read, and exactly the same comments on DP's meta from marv as I read, and doing exactly the same amount of work looking into DP's actual scum/town meta as I did (none) - and yet he comes up with a vote? Without at all addressing the points from Marv and from himself about DP's meta? And without addressing the other game in progress issue - which isn't an "unverifiable irl excuse," we can go look at the thread - and yet he comes up with a vote?
guys what we have out of BH is not just a scummy and needless claim - we have a scummy and needless claim from a player who isn't playing up to his usual town standard in several ways
- bad cases
- trolling/fluff while taking the easy opportunity to gain points by attacking other people for fluff
and most importantly
- the huge mismatch in thread presence, thread control, and town organization between BH's last town game (whose line) and this game
And then we have
On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues
BH psychology: he just saw me do well - not win, except for self-declaring victory, but do much better than I should have given how the game started out - he saw me do well by fakeclaiming blue and then really pushing that fakeclaim hard. He also just had what I assume must be a trollgasm from evoking ridiculous reactions from Keirathi in that same game. Now he's claimed blue for no good reason, and it's a blue role that he can "verify" easily by withholding KP, or that he can make unverifiable by claiming to be roleblocked.
There's no way a town BH decides "there are 3 or 4 votes on me, like 30 hours before the lynch - time to claim!"
I just don't believe that thought process is real.
##vote: blazinghand
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On November 14 2012 22:57 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 14:46 debears wrote:
On iamp
Alright guys, I really need someone to give me a good answer on this question, which everyone has failed to do
Why would town iamp
1) Switch his vote, agreeing with the case of someone he thought was scummy 30 minutes earlier after 1 case?
you idiot I already explained this TL uses military time it was 12 hours and 30 minutes
sorry debears that was a little harsh. I should have said "lol didn't read" or "fool!" instead of "you idiot."
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oh forgot to unvote debears (I think that's who I was voting?)
still think he's scum and would possibly be willing to consolidate on him if we need to consolidate but bh is just shouting "hey i'm scummy" at me
##unvote
##vote: blazinghand
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posting briefly from work -
marv do you honestly believe bh was really being that dumb? Like, do you think he is telling the truth about why and how he claimed?
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AT: "this is a dumb town claim but a dumber scum claim"
I have yet to see why this is true.
I addressed in this post why BH specifically would make this fakeclaim as scum right now. To summarize, it's a combination of reasons: he really enjoys trolling, and he knows how good of an idea making an unverifiable fakeclaim is as scum under pressure in the current TL meta.
your argument "if he's alive in a few days" is terrible. if, in theory, he was town, there would be no reason for scum to kill him above anyone else; they could just roleblock him forever now that he's claimed, and he's taking enough heat that town doesn't get any kind of "confirmed townie" advantage from having him alive.
all that said, debears is still my second lynch choice. I guess I should say more about him than "kenpachi rule", but I won't right now because I don't have time.
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On November 15 2012 03:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 03:04 strongandbig wrote:AT: "this is a dumb town claim but a dumber scum claim" I have yet to see why this is true. I addressed in this post why BH specifically would make this fakeclaim as scum right now. To summarize, it's a combination of reasons: he really enjoys trolling, and he knows how good of an idea making an unverifiable fakeclaim is as scum under pressure in the current TL meta. your argument "if he's alive in a few days" is terrible. if, in theory, he was town, there would be no reason for scum to kill him above anyone else; they could just roleblock him forever now that he's claimed, and he's taking enough heat that town doesn't get any kind of "confirmed townie" advantage from having him alive. all that said, debears is still my second lynch choice. I guess I should say more about him than "kenpachi rule", but I won't right now because I don't have time. There are some reasons not to lynch BH today. In any setup with 3+ blues, scum will have a roleblocker. If BH is lying, scum will have to withold all of their roleblocks. This makes the claim inherently a poor scum play. There may yet be another Jailkeeper (or perhaps, the only jailkeeper) who doesn't want to claim, but can 'prove' their existence when a roleblock appears tonight (hopefully on me, yo  ). Or 2 jailkeepers is possible (although it would require JJJ which is pretty unlikely). I've seen a fucking appalling day 1 jailkeeper claim before on a day 1. VE did it in... er... LIII? The claim made no sense, and it was fucking stupid. We lynched him. He flipped jailkeeper. So... ugh.
yeah but that's kind of VE's "thing"
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On November 15 2012 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote:Please elaborate.
i think he's more likely to be scum than hopeless is
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On November 15 2012 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:On November 15 2012 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 15 2012 06:59 strongandbig wrote:
##unvote
##vote: debears Please elaborate. i think he's more likely to be scum than hopeless is Does this mean you agree that BH is a bad lynch now, or you simply realized he won't get lynched today?
the latter
i do not agree that bh is a bad lynch now
among other reasons, if we just say "we won't lynch claimed blues on day 1" then it becomes optimal play for everyone who would be otherwise lynched to just claim a blue role
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On November 13 2012 09:46 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Eh. If it's down to lylo we'll need to take a strong look at it if he's alive. Other than that, nothing much to talk about with the claim
On November 13 2012 10:01 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Hello, sirs. First of all I´d like to claim miller. There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game. I am fakeclaiming as mafia. I am in fact a miller. My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment. The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red. That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet. Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out  HI ZB <3. Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out. GG scummers But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O Then Blazinghand, Debears and I will rip you all a new arsehole. <3 Oh noes! Well fortunately I'm not scum. + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote:On November 13 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Woah woah hold-up. I'm not liking how you're trusting this claim right away. Claiming miller is a pretty much a riskless play here. We don't know how many millers are in the setup, and as far as I'm concerned, the claim is null until Z-Bo proves otherwise. its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so. It's not "so whatever" - I'm pretty skeptical how you're so willing to think Z-Bo is town off what looks to me like a completely null action. Hapa, last time you did that little spoiler trick (GsL III), you were the role that you put in the spoiler. Here, you put bowser. Now why would you put bowser out of all the scum roles? It seems to me like you were actively thinking of bowser, which you shouldn't be if you are town. I would expect you to put a town role in that spoiler
On November 13 2012 10:12 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:09 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 10:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum
but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one ^^^^^^claim The VT claim is significant why exactly? Why would someone claim vt like that so early? It's quite weird
On November 13 2012 10:44 debears wrote:
What do you guys think of Clarity's early play?
It's very similar to his scum play imo.
Saying neutral stuff. Then, the vote on S&B.
He's coming in and out of the thread, ie active lurking
so i scrolled through dabears filter
there's just a whole lot of meaningless junk there, and some really terrible posts
but why is everyone voting for hopeless? let me read his filter as well
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marv make your case either (A) good or (B) on BH or (C) both of those
there's so much terrible in this game
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On November 15 2012 08:18 marvellosity wrote:
debears is right, by the way.
Some of Hapa's pushing on him is fucking nonsense.
this is true
like all that stuff about "not voting your top scumread"
that's only important when votes actually matter, i don't get this obsession people have with who voted who for what reason during the first six hours of the day
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oh also i skimmed through hopelesses filter
the first half of it is mega terrible
like, there's a bunch of unimportant one-liners and then like his only big posts until he starts getting accused are about the "who knew when whether crossfire was a smurf" thing, which just doesn't matter so hard it hurts
but then later i like hopeless's responses quite a bit more
but then i actually read his list post and it contains gems like
"Hapa - town, largely due to connections between him and debears, and between him and kickstart. This read has severely influenced my current scumreads. "
town b/c he attacked your scumread, debears was attacked by your townread therefore he's scum
lolwut
"BH is trolly as fuck, but unlynchable today due to an uncountered JK claim. I haven't read into his meta, because there is no chance to push his lynch, even if I can make a convincing case. Despite this, I think the trolling is scummy, and I'll need to read the threads he's referenced during the night (assuming I'm not lynched)."
he claimed so he's gonna be hard to lynch today so why bother thinking about him
lolwut
"Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum."
yeah confusing people totally isn't in a scum's interest
lolwut
"Z-Bo - Town. I liked his pursuit of his case against BH and thought he brought up some legitimate points. Apparently they were so good BH had to claim to escape. "
lolwut
no other comments just lolwut
oh actually yes other comments - zboson is town because bh responded stupidly to his case?
"Strongandbig - Null-Town. Strange vt claim feels townslippy. However, Kenpachi rule shenanigans and insists on lynching BH for a while, despite blueclaim. Too strong of a scum motive to just let that slide, but I also think BH is scummy, so this read flips to Null-Scum if BH is in fact JK."
lolwut - is this, like, a reverse connection theory? like, if bh is telling the truth then I must be scum? i really don't think that makes sense
yeah so now i'm suddenly torn between wanting to test the kenpachi rule and hopeless's filter actually being terrible
I guess if I really really had to I might vote hopeless to push that past a darthpunk lynch, because the reasons for lynching darthpunk are actually the worst.
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On November 15 2012 08:28 Blazinghand wrote:
The assumption that anyone is getting modkilled D1 when there are 4 people sitting on the replacement list is bad. Giving thrawn or DP null reads simply because they're in another game is also bad. If someone's lurking, give them a null for lurking if that's your take-- but don't consider the existence of another game as a mitigating factor for activity levels.
If SnB is vet then I've been playing great this game and Marv has good control of his temper.
sticks and stones bh
sticks and stones
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