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On November 13 2012 10:11 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:08 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 10:02 iamperfection wrote:On November 13 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Hello, sirs. First of all I´d like to claim miller. There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game. I am fakeclaiming as mafia. I am in fact a miller. My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment. The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red. That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet. Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out  HI ZB <3. Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out. GG scummers But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O Then Blazinghand, Debears and I will rip you all a new arsehole. <3 Oh noes! Well fortunately I'm not scum. + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote:On November 13 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Woah woah hold-up. I'm not liking how you're trusting this claim right away. Claiming miller is a pretty much a riskless play here. We don't know how many millers are in the setup, and as far as I'm concerned, the claim is null until Z-Bo proves otherwise. its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so. It's not "so whatever" - I'm pretty skeptical how you're so willing to think Z-Bo is town off what looks to me like a completely null action. well if you think im scum dont be a fucking pussy and vote for me. I said what i thought on the subject. Well that's cause I'm trying to figure out whether your scum or it's just a bad thought process. On November 13 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Hello, sirs. First of all I´d like to claim miller. There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game. I am fakeclaiming as mafia. I am in fact a miller. My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment. The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red. That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet. Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out HI ZB <3. Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out. GG scummers But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O Then Blazinghand, Debears and I will rip you all a new arsehole. <3 Oh noes! Well fortunately I'm not scum. + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote:On November 13 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Woah woah hold-up. I'm not liking how you're trusting this claim right away. Claiming miller is a pretty much a riskless play here. We don't know how many millers are in the setup, and as far as I'm concerned, the claim is null until Z-Bo proves otherwise. its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so. It's not "so whatever" - I'm pretty skeptical how you're so willing to think Z-Bo is town off what looks to me like a completely null action. Hapa, last time you did that little spoiler trick (GsL III), you were the role that you put in the spoiler. Here, you put bowser. Now why would you put bowser out of all the scum roles? It seems to me like you were actively thinking of bowser, which you shouldn't be if you are town. I would expect you to put a town role in that spoiler Well duh Bowzer is on my mind in Mario Mini Mafia But as for the GSL III thing, that was done as a specifically minded breadcrumb - how are you drawing the connection between that? Eh. I thought you had written that you were also a mafia role in the gsl III spoiler. But, you didn't. So I rescind it.
Oh yeah I did in the 2nd spoiler of it, but in the 3rd and 4th lines, I breadcrumbed the "Boxer" role
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On November 13 2012 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:01 strongandbig wrote:
if zb was scum he would have made a much longer post
##vote: hapahauli
im down with that iamperfection thinkamajig So retarded. ##Vote: Strongandbig
You're voting him 'cause the post is retarded? And not because it's scummy?
The last time you pulled that, you were scum (Mafia LVII).
##Vote DarthPunk
('fo real this time)
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On November 13 2012 10:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's not like he flavor claimed, thinking others didn't know the flavor. How are those situations alike?
You don't think it's a weird move for a VT to claim VT day 1?
No I don't find it weird. I think it's just a pointless comment that can be made by either alignment. Again, see Mr. Cheesecake's "odd" VT claim time in the Newbie game.
Him trusting Z-Bo's claim so up-front is a bit strange, but again, I don't know if it's just bad logic or scum knowing who's who.
I haven't seen anything alignment indicative from him yet.
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On November 13 2012 10:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa
I'll go find that post. Please comment on the votes on strongandbig, and what you think of his claim. You said it's not significant?
U sniped me =(
Which post are you referencing - Cheese's VT claim or the DP post I'm talking about in LVII? I can pull it up if you want (I know where it is after all).
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On November 13 2012 10:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa
Again, Cheese's claim wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for some weird flavor stuff.
The word "retard(ed)" seems to come up a lot in Darth's filter in that game. What makes you think it's scummy? I say retarded a lot in every game. As both alignments.
Yes, but the similarity to LVII is very uncanny.
The scenario is the same - a player makes an early game vote on me, and you immediately turn around and call it "retarded."
You didn't even describe how SnB's post made him scummy - you just voted him for a "retarded" vote and nothing else. What makes SnB's vote scummy?
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On November 13 2012 10:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa
Again, Cheese's claim wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for some weird flavor stuff.
The word "retard(ed)" seems to come up a lot in Darth's filter in that game. What makes you think it's scummy?
It's because he votes someone for a "retarded" vote rather than a "scummy" vote. That's exactly what scum want to do - lynch "retarded" townies rather than actual scum.
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On November 13 2012 10:33 iamperfection wrote:
guys a town zbos could lie if he was blue
He could be scum
he could be vt.
I'm inclined looking at the comment that he was just writing what he thought and that it was probably true. He just had a slip of the tongue so i'm actually inclined to think it was actually the truth. It didn't look like to me as a scum making a post in order to put a claim together. Boom i got two town reads already which you gonna do mafia??????????
What's your second read dawg?
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On November 13 2012 10:35 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 10:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Hapa
I'll go find that post. Please comment on the votes on strongandbig, and what you think of his claim. You said it's not significant? U sniped me =( Which post are you referencing - Cheese's VT claim or the DP post I'm talking about in LVII? I can pull it up if you want (I know where it is after all). Let me elaborate. He is voting you for thinking ZB's claim is null like many others do and because you find that not doing so is suspicious. I am inclined to agree and find S&B's vote weak because He singles you out from several whom have expressed similar sentiment. He believes ZB and Perfection immediately which I can not empathise with and the stated reason for doing so is that ZB would have made a longer post despite ZB making a fairly lengthy post to begin with. I can not find a way to share his view point as town. Therefore he is being retarded as town, scum or both. And I choose to pressure him with a vote. As I have come into the habit of not using the ever impotent 'FoS'.
##Unvote
Well I think that's fair. I still am completely null on him but atleast you have some more reasoning for the vote.
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On November 13 2012 10:35 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:35 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 10:33 iamperfection wrote:
guys a town zbos could lie if he was blue
He could be scum
he could be vt.
I'm inclined looking at the comment that he was just writing what he thought and that it was probably true. He just had a slip of the tongue so i'm actually inclined to think it was actually the truth. It didn't look like to me as a scum making a post in order to put a claim together. Boom i got two town reads already which you gonna do mafia?????????? What's your second read dawg? zbps broski read the thread dog.
I honestly can't find it. Town read on Z-Bo acknowledged, but I can't find town read #2 unless your unvote of me is a town read.
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On November 13 2012 10:44 debears wrote:
What do you guys think of Clarity's early play?
It's very similar to his scum play imo.
Saying neutral stuff. Then, the vote on S&B.
He's coming in and out of the thread, ie active lurking
Lol are you srs?
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On November 13 2012 10:50 debears wrote:
Does S&B normally act like this?
Just curious :D
Feel free to answer that S&B
Well it's weird for sure. I'm used to seeing scum SnB be a lot more "wordy" when he posts. Atleast this was the case in Mafia LVII and Death Note Mini. Howwwwwweva, this post really sets off my scum alarms:
On November 13 2012 10:48 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Hello, sirs. First of all I´d like to claim miller. There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game. I am fakeclaiming as mafia. I am in fact a miller. My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment. The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red. That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet. Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out HI ZB <3. Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out. GG scummers But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O Then Blazinghand, Debears and I will rip you all a new arsehole. <3 Oh noes! Well fortunately I'm not scum. + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote:On November 13 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Woah woah hold-up. I'm not liking how you're trusting this claim right away. Claiming miller is a pretty much a riskless play here. We don't know how many millers are in the setup, and as far as I'm concerned, the claim is null until Z-Bo proves otherwise. its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so. It's not "so whatever" - I'm pretty skeptical how you're so willing to think Z-Bo is town off what looks to me like a completely null action. Hapa, last time you did that little spoiler trick (GsL III), you were the role that you put in the spoiler. Here, you put bowser. Now why would you put bowser out of all the scum roles? It seems to me like you were actively thinking of bowser, which you shouldn't be if you are town. I would expect you to put a town role in that spoiler this is stupid
He calls debears argument/suspicion on me stupid, when he himself has his vote on me. It's not consistent at all with his suspicions so far, and I can't wrap my head around a townie thought process here.
## Vote StrongandBig
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Oh goddamnit I got sniped by the "kenpachi rule" apparently, but my post still stands since he had his vote on me at the time of the post I reference.
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On November 13 2012 10:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh goddamnit I got sniped by the "kenpachi rule" apparently, but my post still stands since he had his vote on me at the time of the post I reference. this makes no sense. the post was stupid, and that's irrelevant of your alignment.
Why doesn't it make sense? I'm just saying that SnB changed his vote to someone else before I made my vote on him (in which I reference his vote on me). Perhaps an unnecessary clarification, but it should make sense.
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@ Marv
Let us into your mind a little bit - any thoughts/suspicions thusfar?
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On November 13 2012 11:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:59 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 10:56 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh goddamnit I got sniped by the "kenpachi rule" apparently, but my post still stands since he had his vote on me at the time of the post I reference. this makes no sense. the post was stupid, and that's irrelevant of your alignment. Why doesn't it make sense? I'm just saying that SnB changed his vote to someone else before I made my vote on him (in which I reference his vote on me). Perhaps an unnecessary clarification, but it should make sense. so what if he had his vote on you? the post he commented on was stupid, what does him having his vote on you have anything to do with that?
Because it's strange. He was far too willing to dismiss the argument of someone who was taking his side on an issue. He didn't attempt to explain anything about his reads in that post.
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Done with paper woo! So here are some thoughts before I'm off to bed:
@ Kickstarter
Heya bud!
On November 13 2012 11:11 Kickstart wrote:
Just got back from school, it let out a bit early. Had a bit of catching up to do in the thread but not too much has happened yet. I would like to ask Hapa a question though, I think it is only fair since you wanted to know more about me!
Hapa: What do you think is most important for a successful Day1 for town, and how do you feel you have contributed?
A successful Day 1 is an active Day 1. If townies are open, active, and honest, it generates tons of information and makes it hard for scum to hide. As far as my own contributions, it seems like a really pointless question, since my answer will be biased as either alignment. I'll just let my activity speak for itself over the next 48 hours.
Also, I realize you're a new player, so please don't be afraid to post! How open and active you are is really important in order for town to figure out your alignment. If you're town, post! If you're scum, just roleclaim or somethin =D
Regarding StrongandBig
I'm so torn on him, and fortunately we have another ~40 hours to determine his alignment.
I'm undecided whether or not he's just deliberately trolling or not. Having seen him play scum in Mafia LVII and DeathNote Mini, this just seems as such a far departure from his more "careful" scum-style of play. He seems to be really inviting attention to himself at this point and is overall very ambivalent to suspicion against him.
On the other hand, his play on it's face right now just seems really scummy. My previous point (on him criticizing debears) still stands, and his recent posting is just ridiculously off. My vote will stay on him until he proves his alignment otherwise.
Regarding the Inactives
Activity has been really solid so far, but we still have two players who haven't posted, Crossfire99 and Thrawn. I'm not going to judge them after only a couple of hours, but I'm looking forward to hearing from both of them.
Also BlazingHand has been very off from his traditional "dick dick dick" screaming townie play. He's notoriously bad at scum, and his play so far is something that I'd expect from his scumplay. Again, not going to judge based on 6 hours, but he'll likely have my vote if he keeps this up.
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Mother of fuck thrawn. Way to snipe me and all that.
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Catching up on my lunch break.
Regarding SnB
##Unvote
After sleeping on it, I'm starting to agree that his play is too far of a deviation from his normal scum play to be scummy. I don't know what he's thinking, but it's much more reckless of a playstyle than I'd expect of scum SnB.
(FWIW, the fact that he's continuing this behavior into today makes me think he's an SK or something. It falls into that "townie but really off" type of play that's common with 3rd party roles.)
On November 13 2012 17:42 Clarity_nl wrote:Hapa, this still bothers me. I asked you what you thought about SnB's claim and if you thought it was bad for town, and you answered: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Clarity
Well in a theoretical sense yes, but you remember how well that worked with Cheesecake in Newbie XXX right? It's really not that significant IMO. You compared this to Cheese's claim from NMM XXX even though the situations are completely different. The only reason Cheese claimed was because he thought only VT's knew the VT flavor. So he was trying to claim without alerting scum. SnB just outright claimed VT. After I explain why it's different, you basically give me the same answer: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 10:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's not like he flavor claimed, thinking others didn't know the flavor. How are those situations alike?
You don't think it's a weird move for a VT to claim VT day 1? No I don't find it weird. I think it's just a pointless comment that can be made by either alignment. Again, see Mr. Cheesecake's "odd" VT claim time in the Newbie game. Him trusting Z-Bo's claim so up-front is a bit strange, but again, I don't know if it's just bad logic or scum knowing who's who. I haven't seen anything alignment indicative from him yet. The other thing I don't really like is the use of "theoretically yes" and "IMO" Whenever I've seen you post you tend to be direct and with conviction, but not this time.
I still believe both situations to be the same - they are both strangely timed VT claims. Cheese's intent to "signal" other townies isn't a significant difference, as both potentially fall into the category of "scum wanting to look less suspicious despite not being suspicious." The situations are not identical by any means, but they're more similar than not.
Regardless, I'm not suspicious of SnB anymore so I don't want to dwell on this.
Regarding the Z-Boson Case
I really disagree with it. The case is a giant anecdote for how Z-Boson's actions could be scummy rather than why they're scummy.
ZB is setting up to look good as a wagon starter (since scum don't like to stick their necks out) and appear to contribute to town, but if you read his astonishingly short filter, it's clear he's not actually helping. He's flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.
All of this isn't valid at all hours into D1. All of the stuff described above is completely non-alignment indicative in the early game.
Z-Boson has been less active than I'm used to seeing him, but again early D1 caveats. No reason to vote him.
Regarding iamperfection
His sudden flip-flop on Z-Boson is really strange. He goes from strongly trusting Z-Bo's claim early in the game to a vote for really shitty reasons.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=22#434
In his vote post, he first picks a fight with BH - odd considering that he's ultimately going to agree with his read. He puts a lot of stock into one of Z-Bo's early D1 postings and early-game banter (meaningless). He then talks about the "iamperfection rule" and another early D1 wishy-washy post.
I wouldn't mind this if it weren't for his discussion about the miller claim:
I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder.
WHAT?!?!? Iamperfection had almost no doubt about Z-Bo's motives, and he's willing to do a complete 180 with the above reasoning. Just take a look at his previous stance, made right after Z-Bo's claim:
On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right.
He immediately trusted Z-Boson without question the second Z-Bo made that claim. Then all of a sudden now he turns around and can doubt the claim he so strongly believed in earlier. It makes no sense to me, and it looks like scum jumping on someone the second they have the reason to. This would be fine if he had a good case, but he just hinges on a couple of early D1 posts and the "iamperfection" rule as opposed to anything substantial.
It doesn't help that the rest of his filter reads really artificially confrontational to me. It feels like he's trying to overcompensate for being caught in GSL III for not showing his "bravado" throughout the game.
##Vote iamperfection
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On November 14 2012 01:51 marvellosity wrote:
Guys, guys!!!
I think I may have an awesome quiz for you a little later in the evening. It may even be as good as my Palmar quiz in Rock Band.
Oooh Quiz =D
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On November 14 2012 02:36 marvellosity wrote:
the case on iamp makes zero sense to me, his jumping on Z-bo draws attention to himself massively, for reasons you mention, and I see no reason whatsoever to do that as scum.
Well duh it draws attention to himself if I call him out for it, but look at his line of thinking here - he basically completely sheeps BH and only adds the "iamperfection rule." Sheeping someone =/= drawing attention to yourself. It's the exact opposite in fact.
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