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It's not like he flavor claimed, thinking others didn't know the flavor. How are those situations alike?
You don't think it's a weird move for a VT to claim VT day 1?
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Bandwagon time! Please answer why you claimed.
##Vote Strongandbig
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@ Hapa
I'll go find that post. Please comment on the votes on strongandbig, and what you think of his claim. You said it's not significant?
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@ Hapa
Again, Cheese's claim wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for some weird flavor stuff.
The word "retard(ed)" seems to come up a lot in Darth's filter in that game. What makes you think it's scummy?
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On November 13 2012 10:44 debears wrote:
What do you guys think of Clarity's early play?
It's very similar to his scum play imo.
Saying neutral stuff. Then, the vote on S&B.
He's coming in and out of the thread, ie active lurking
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On November 13 2012 10:49 strongandbig wrote:
lol
You've posted three times since your VT claim, with a total of 7 words.
Please explain your claim.
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On November 13 2012 10:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:24 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 10:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Bandwagon time! Please answer why you claimed.
##Vote Strongandbig ##Unvote ##Vote Clarity_NL I'm going to expand on this a little because it seems to have been lost in the noise. Why did you jump on the S&B bandwagon so quickly and with little explanation? What do you find scummy about S&B and Why?
He "VT claims", then disappears. He just answered and his answer was "I claimed on accident"
I explain my reasoning my 2 posts before my vote.
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On November 13 2012 11:02 strongandbig wrote:
okay im going to sleep now it's like three am
kiiiiill some scuuuuuuuums doods
Where do you currently live? Could you change your profile to that?
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On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting
He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter"
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On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it?
But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta.
On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?
Why?
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On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it? But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta. On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? Why? Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire" Please keep my posts in context
Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context?
You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important.
But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself.
Please tell me where I am wrong.
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On November 13 2012 11:21 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
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DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:
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Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it? But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta. On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? Why? Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire" Please keep my posts in context Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context? You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important. But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself. Please tell me where I am wrong. Alright, let me spell it out for you 1) Hapa asked if cross was smurf 2) I said there was nothing to discuss about him being smurf, since he hadn't posted much 3) Marv says cross is cross So, my point was that you can't make a basis whether he is indeed a smurf until he posts enough so that vet's recognize him. That makes discussing it early irrelevant. Now, 1) Hopeless comes in lecturing (anti-town) 2) I ask whether it fits his meta 3) You jump on me saying it's a contradiction to what I said It isn't a contradiction. Behavior > meta, especially if players are aware of their meta. Now, if behavior is totally against a player's town meta, and that behavior is scummy, then there are alarms that go off
If it is the behaviour compared to different games, that's meta. That's what meta means.
Hapa asked if anyone knew if cross was a smurf. Why is there nothing to discuss? If you don't know he's a smurf or not you simply don't answer. If you do you do. Marv answered because he knew, case closed.
The part I don't understand is why you say it's not important. No one was talking about deducting who he is, assuming he's a smurf.
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On November 13 2012 11:30 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:21 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
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aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis?
Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it? But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta. On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? Why? Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire" Please keep my posts in context Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context? You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important. But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself. Please tell me where I am wrong. Alright, let me spell it out for you 1) Hapa asked if cross was smurf 2) I said there was nothing to discuss about him being smurf, since he hadn't posted much 3) Marv says cross is cross So, my point was that you can't make a basis whether he is indeed a smurf until he posts enough so that vet's recognize him. That makes discussing it early irrelevant. Now, 1) Hopeless comes in lecturing (anti-town) 2) I ask whether it fits his meta 3) You jump on me saying it's a contradiction to what I said It isn't a contradiction. Behavior > meta, especially if players are aware of their meta. Now, if behavior is totally against a player's town meta, and that behavior is scummy, then there are alarms that go off If it is the behaviour compared to different games, that's meta. That's what meta means. Hapa asked if anyone knew if cross was a smurf. Why is there nothing to discuss? If you don't know he's a smurf or not you simply don't answer. If you do you do. Marv answered because he knew, case closed. The part I don't understand is why you say it's not important. No one was talking about deducting who he is, assuming he's a smurf.
I look at behavior first, then meta to support. What do those last two sentences mean? Can you rephrase them? There was nothing to discuss because cross (who hapa asked if was smurf) hadn't posted much, and still hasn't http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16886690Read here plz. Notice how I post right after Hapa
I'll accept that what you meant was "regardless of who he is, since he hasn't posted there is no read to make"... I guess
But either you didn't understand Hapa's question or you are being hypocritical by asking for a meta summary.
Maybe clarify why you asked for it?
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On November 13 2012 11:40 debears wrote:
Hopeless comes in lecturing, which is anti town (remember your scumbuddy sylver last game?)
What do you think of marv so far?
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Everyone seems to have gone quiet. It's 4 am so I'm going to bed.
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Morning.
My vote on SnB isn't going anywhere for the moment. It was meant as pressure and it'll remain until he answers my question:
On November 13 2012 10:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
strongandbig why did you claim VT, please explain your reasoning.
I find the answer (if you can call it that).... not to my liking:
On November 13 2012 10:52 strongandbig wrote:
okay so
that "lol" was when I was reading the thread and ppl were like "omg vote him he claimed vt"
and then I was like, wtf are they talking about when did I claim vt?
and then I was like, "oh."
yeah so, oops?
Anyway.... just because my vote is on him doesn't mean I can't focus on other things. Just woke up and had breakfast, will be reading some filters.
PS:
On November 13 2012 15:39 Blazinghand wrote:
But yeah anyone voting S&B right now is scum or bad
What?
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I assumed you'd understand my "What?" was to be read as "Please clarify"
But if you insist on just calling people bad, but not explaining why, go right on ahead.
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On November 13 2012 16:48 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone not voting for their top scumread needs to vote for their top scumread instead
Right now, he's it. Maybe he's a bit too obvious and maybe the fact that no one has defended him, even a little bit, makes it less likely, but he's still it.
Just because I said my vote pressures him, does not mean that is solely what my vote it for. It's staying there until he explains himself clearly, luckily we have plenty of time.
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On November 13 2012 17:03 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:57 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote:On November 13 2012 16:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 16:43 Blazinghand wrote:
sorry you must be hard of hearing
your vote on S&B right now is bad Is the reason for that his play is too 'risky' or too 'scummy' to be scum play? Because that is what I got from waht thrawn says and you just agreed with it. If that is the case then I'm not buying what you are selling. there's no such thing as too scummy for scum play Ok then can you explain to me why only idiots and scum are voting for S&B. Cause I can't see it. cause he's town. it's not my job to defend the man, just to point out the scum on his wagon. read his filter and tell me that's scum S&B seriously dude
Why is it like pulling teeth to get answers out of you?
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On November 13 2012 17:06 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 17:04 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 17:03 Blazinghand wrote:On November 13 2012 16:57 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote:On November 13 2012 16:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 16:43 Blazinghand wrote:
sorry you must be hard of hearing
your vote on S&B right now is bad Is the reason for that his play is too 'risky' or too 'scummy' to be scum play? Because that is what I got from waht thrawn says and you just agreed with it. If that is the case then I'm not buying what you are selling. there's no such thing as too scummy for scum play Ok then can you explain to me why only idiots and scum are voting for S&B. Cause I can't see it. cause he's town. it's not my job to defend the man, just to point out the scum on his wagon. read his filter and tell me that's scum S&B seriously dude Why is it like pulling teeth to get answers out of you? Lol say something about ZB plz
I wish he posted more. It seems he was around for about 2 hours but he never really said anything of substance.
The only original thought he had so far was his debears vote, which he quickly withdrew. The vote made no sense to begin with.
"Debears didn't write a paragraph about a miller claim day 1, that's scummy!" ??
His miller claim makes sense, there's been no other miller claims. The only thing I don't like about it is that he explained his possible motivations as scum and town to claim miller, which isn't necessary.
Your turn.
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