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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 04:13 GMT
#2014
Scoreboard

Debears 2
Zbo 2

Hopeless 10 pts for shooting the scum
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 04:17 GMT
#2015
On November 16 2012 12:41 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 11:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, if you're not voting for SnB you need to give a very good reason for why he's town.

##vote: SnB

Why dont you give a super good reason why he is scum?
Besides marv said too.

I will wait until he gets back because i feel like it and i just dont want to blindly listen to marv.

Still want to hear from thrawn as he is out of his other game now he dosen't really have an excuse anymore. Dont really get what marv was saying in that he seems beaten down or bored in a town way this game.

Ps guys
marv can be wrong dont just check out


see you guys in the morning.


Iamp, we arent checking out. Snb didn't even show up for n1 discussion. He has done literally nothing for town

Also, he voted for zbo
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 04:33 GMT
#2021
On November 16 2012 13:30 DarthPunk wrote:
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On November 16 2012 13:25 Djodref wrote:
I want to lynch BH because he is not showing town behavior at all. Trolly and disruptive, fakeclaiming, backing off and claiming again. I understand it's unlikely to display such play as scum but it would be the same from a JK.
I have to look again at S&B again though...

Anyway I don't see how we can loose this game now so I would almost expect the last scum to concede now.


we are not lynching blazing hand in the foreseeable future.


DP I'll reconsider your points about hapa trying to derail Z-Bo's lynch tomorrow
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:12 GMT
#2038
I agree with BH Djo.

Why the fuck would the mafia lynch the godfather and their best player on day 1 with a last minute voteswing when they could easily stay on z-bo?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:15 GMT
#2040
Based on above thought, who does that leave?

Thrawn (Djo)
Z-Bo (Can't vote himself as scum or gives away hapa)
Clarity
SnB

Who has been least helpful while active?

I'd say thrawn or Snb. Since thrawn got replaced, I'm willing to give you time to show you are town.
Clarity I found town for d1. I still have to look at him again.
SnB has done absolutely nothing for town
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:16 GMT
#2042
And Z-Bo

DP may have a point on Z-Bo. But, i haven't looked into it yet
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:16 GMT
#2044
On November 16 2012 16:15 Djodref wrote:
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On November 16 2012 16:12 debears wrote:
I agree with BH Djo.

Why the fuck would the mafia lynch the godfather and their best player on day 1 with a last minute voteswing when they could easily stay on z-bo?


The thing is it was really safe for a csum BH to switch to Hapa with 8 votes against Z-bo at 5 minutes before lynch.


Do you remember BH asked for FOS's to see who would switch?

There were like 4 of us who said yes. And everyone else was like "yeah we'll vote him"
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:17 GMT
#2045
and why wouldn't BH just switch back off hapa then with all the confusion to save his teammate?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:18 GMT
#2047
And Djo

What has SnB done for town? Nothing
What has BH done? Helped lynch the godfather

It'd be a stupid gambit for scum. Town cred is worthless d1 for a scum bus. THINK ABOUT IT
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:19 GMT
#2048
On November 16 2012 16:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 16:15 debears wrote:
Based on above thought, who does that leave?

Thrawn (Djo)
Z-Bo (Can't vote himself as scum or gives away hapa)
Clarity
SnB

Who has been least helpful while active?

I'd say thrawn or Snb. Since thrawn got replaced, I'm willing to give you time to show you are town.
Clarity I found town for d1. I still have to look at him again.
SnB has done absolutely nothing for town


Another reason to cut Djo some slack is that thrawn might have been unhelpful while active, but he DID end up getting replaced-- so we shouldn't hold that against Djo. Generally replacements should get a day of breathing room.


Yeah that's why I'm not gonna bother with looking at thrawn/djo for d2 lynch
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 07:23 GMT
#2050
On November 16 2012 16:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 16:18 debears wrote:
And Djo

What has SnB done for town? Nothing
What has BH done? Helped lynch the godfather

It'd be a stupid gambit for scum. Town cred is worthless d1 for a scum bus. THINK ABOUT IT


Another note, it'd probably be an infinitely better strat to do in reverse: Hapa, the godfather, who checks as town, should lynch me and bathe in glory (and he looked better than me at the time) and if anyone checks him, he comes back town.

I'm just not buying it. I'm me, of course, but like it sounds utterly implausible that I'm scum and me and Hapa talked and he was like "yeah man i think it's a good idea for you to lynch me"


exactly. Also, notice how Hapa was there at last second? Why? Cuz scum probably thought they had the lynch in the bag with 8 votes on Z-Bo.

Who else wasn't there? Thrawn and SnB

*I think Clarity was there in the mayhem*
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 13:59 GMT
#2069
On November 16 2012 18:09 Djodref wrote:
I don't think it is as unlikely as it seems. I have good arguments to support this but I'm phone posting from my car so I'm not in the best position to explain them in details but here are a few hints.
First things first, BH play is not town-like. Could we at least agree on this one ?
Secondly, when you look at C9++, from which the setup of our game is derived from, the roles of the mafia team are given after that the roles for the town are decided. So the mafia team have more info than us about the roles. My point is that for a goon, goon, GF scumteam, it is not so risky for a troll goon to claim JK, as it is less likely to have a real JK.
Thirdly, voting against Hapa could have been a soft bus vote rather than a real bus vote because a Hapa lynch was unlikely to happen. Nobody could have foresaw it, especially with the Kickstart switch coming from nowhere.


Does the type of roles on one side affect the roles on the other side in this setup type? Or are they independent of each other?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 14:01 GMT
#2071
On November 16 2012 18:17 Djodref wrote:
It pisses me off that you don't want to consider a BH lynch given his prestation for all D1/N1. I understand that it is not likely for him to be scum given the circumstances but I think that he has taken advantge of it to auto proclaim himself ”confirmed town” when his play shows the opposite.
I don't like this at all and I'm not dropping this case until people start to realize that he is likely to be a goon after all.

It's still early D2 so I'll get some time to consider other players so please don't try to shush by stating that a BH lynch is not going to happen.


Are you sure you aren't scum?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 14:02 GMT
#2072
oh wow clarity already got it mb

nj clarity
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 14:03 GMT
#2073
On November 16 2012 19:18 Djodref wrote:
But would yOu agree thatwe have to lynch him sooner or later?
Would he be a good lynch for d3 or d4 ?


Wow are you setting up for future lynches? Holy shit we can catch the last scum and end it today, unless you are the SK trying get rid of the jk
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 14:11 GMT
#2078
On November 16 2012 23:09 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 22:59 debears wrote:
On November 16 2012 18:09 Djodref wrote:
I don't think it is as unlikely as it seems. I have good arguments to support this but I'm phone posting from my car so I'm not in the best position to explain them in details but here are a few hints.
First things first, BH play is not town-like. Could we at least agree on this one ?
Secondly, when you look at C9++, from which the setup of our game is derived from, the roles of the mafia team are given after that the roles for the town are decided. So the mafia team have more info than us about the roles. My point is that for a goon, goon, GF scumteam, it is not so risky for a troll goon to claim JK, as it is less likely to have a real JK.
Thirdly, voting against Hapa could have been a soft bus vote rather than a real bus vote because a Hapa lynch was unlikely to happen. Nobody could have foresaw it, especially with the Kickstart switch coming from nowhere.


Does the type of roles on one side affect the roles on the other side in this setup type? Or are they independent of each other?

They do wish marv was still here hes good at that stuff ill see what i can dig up.


Yeah inexperience is a bitch.

@Clarity

You forgot to add the part where SnB goes around screaming "kenpachi rule" for most of d1. And the fact that he hasn't shown up for night or today
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 14:12 GMT
#2080
"The setup is very complex, but the basic principle is that the more power the Town is given, the more powerful the scum become in response."
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 14:13 GMT
#2081
Clarity I agree with it. SnB is the most likely scum imo. I think you are second most likely. Then, Djo is third most likely.

But I gotta see if anything starts sticking out to me
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 14:23 GMT
#2084
On November 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Does that mean you're going to expand upon my case or make a case on me?


Idk yet. Here's the dilemma:

SnB has done absolutely nothing for town. He isn't actively discussing with us.

You have.

But you both voted for Z-Bo :/ and you were pretty outspoken about it (understandly so if you were town, but scum could very easily do the same thing to try to save their partner in a last minute voteswing. Thus, your comments about the swing seem null to me by themselves. I have to look closely at you to see if they fit your d1.

Oh, you were also there for the lynch^^^much more townie points than SnB and his "30 minute Dota game"
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 16 2012 14:24 GMT
#2085
On November 16 2012 23:21 iamperfection wrote:
im not gonna try to setup speculate i cant do it.

Bh i delegate this job to you if you so desire.


I mean we could just go with mass blue claim and see how many more show up. That could probably tell us something. But, then we out the blues lol.
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