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On November 15 2012 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:
I mean, I personally don't think ZB is scum right now. Earlier I did for the way he was trying to set up town cred with his voting pattern, but iamp correctly noted that ZB straightened up after his initial OMGUS on me. This could be due to scum thread coaching, I'll admit, but the aggression he displayed, however wrong-headed, is town to me.
On November 15 2012 10:46 Blazinghand wrote:
._. curse you DP for casting doubt into my heart. I'll just shoot you tonight with all my vigi bullets then
##unvote
##vote ZB
On November 15 2012 10:48 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 10:47 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 10:46 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 10:46 Blazinghand wrote:
._. curse you DP for casting doubt into my heart. I'll just shoot you tonight with all my vigi bullets then
##unvote
##vote ZB ...........................................wat it'll all make sense after the flip! no explain fucking now ZB... will flip scum.
cool story bro
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On November 15 2012 11:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Please, marv, that was so 12 minutes ago
you will have to answer for it tomorrow.
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On November 15 2012 11:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv where are you. Even if you are flabbergasted please at least comment.
Given this has come up a couple of times, I'll address it. It's awfully dull, though.
So, before the game I said 2am deadlines were a bit dodgy for me, sometimes I'd be able to make it, sometimes I wouldn't. That's because my other half stays at my place on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays.
On days that aren't these days, deadline is fine and I'm often up till 3am or whatever. On days that ARE these days, we usually go to bed at 1am or so. So I was already pushing my luck being up towards the lynch.
So anyway, 15 mins before the lynch I finally had to start getting ready for bed to appease the other side of the bed, and I went for my smoke/brush my teeth/bathroom etc, where I was musing on BH calling Z-Boson town and then scum, which I dug up and went to bed shortly after, having just about had the time to digest the 5 new pages while I was away.
Amazing last minute shenannies in the end, I didn't think town would want to lynch Hapa Day 1, but having done so I expected him to flip scum. So much to re-read and plenty of people who should come out looking good from this, which is nice ^^
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On November 15 2012 11:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Of course, my mitigating circumstances are infinitely better because I wasn't even on the lynch block, Hapa never pushed me, I am a claimed blue, and I've generally been good.
no, you have been the absolute worst player in the game. By a stretch.
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and I've just got to the part where you fakeclaimed. Jesus christ. Make that stretch infinitely longer.
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my feeling is that debears should be town now given how shittily Hapa was pushing him.
If it were a bus the reasoning would have been better, but so much of the reasoning was completely atrocious. Just awful.
Pending re-read, possibly Z-Bo town too.
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I'm not so sure. He shouldn't have preached at me though, like I'm not allowed to get reads wrong? Dunno. He's up in the air until that like 10 pages around lynch time get re-read laters.
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On November 15 2012 21:47 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:52 Blazinghand wrote:
I still don't like Hapa at all. He seems way too straight-laced for his normal town play. Anyone want to lynch him? Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm like not really serious about lynching hapa, btw, we shouldn't be switching this close to the deadline Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:53 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 10:53 debears wrote:
Save Hapa for d2 BH yeah basically this Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:55 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 10:54 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 10:53 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 10:53 debears wrote:
Save Hapa for d2 BH yeah basically this well i actually wouldnt mind doing it now this is not town hapa. going herp derp scumslip scumslip
##FoS: HapaLet's get a count of who's in. FOS him if you are willing to vote him. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:56 Blazinghand wrote:
You know what, fuck it, let's vote him. I'll go back to ZB if need be.
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##vote: Hapa I just don't get this series of events. I agree that the "scumslip" thing was suspicious but we were waaaayy too close to deadline.
This is, as well, on top of BH calling Z-Bo town, then voting him and calling him scum.
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because he's scum or actually JK trying to avoid being hit or roleblocked or something. Still doesn't make much sense, though.
Obviously somewhere between the posts he came to the decision to recant on his JK claim.
In the first quote he still had the intent of keeping up the 'charade'.
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Clarity, stick around for a few minutes, i'm digging something up
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Below spoilered are BH's crumb and his claim. If we're to assume he's telling the truth, then, as Vanilla Townie, he breadcrumbed Jailkeeper Tuesday night so that he could fakeclaim Jailkeeper Wednesday afternoon. My mind absolutely boggles.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:52 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think. Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum. From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game. you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum. Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking. The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o. Yep. I would not. I would not vote day one for Hapa or marv either. Unless there was something super obvious I would not vote for them. But I do not think that would happen because they are all good players and that is why I respect them I suppose. Honestly I think it's bad to tie yourself down with ideas like that. If someone's playing scummy, they're playing scummy. My scum play isn't amazing, but due to my extreme sex appeal and enormous intelligence and penis, I can assure you that it's improved a great deal. Mostly it's due to my large penis-- it is quite a monstrosity. It works as a pad, even. Back on topic, don't feel like you can't vote or push people because of possible contributions. This kind of play is lazy and puts preconceived notions of what certain players are worth ahead of behavioral analysis. Someone voting for me because they legitimately think I'm scum and they have the cojones to do it is infinitely more helpful to town than someone not voting me because I'm a sexy baller. That being said, iamperfection's vote is pretty typical iamperfection throwing his vote around trying to pressure people but not doing it effectively. He needs to realize that you should vote people when you want to lynch them, or else you won't be taken seriously. On November 14 2012 07:44 Blazinghand wrote:Well, I was hoping it wouldn't come to this, but if wishes were wings, etc. Man, there's few things I hate like arguing about my own meta, but several people have talked about it, at least in passing, so I'm dispelling the meta myth right now. I would have liked someone else to do it, but you all are too lazy to actually back up your meta statements so I have to do it myself. It'd be really nice if one of you could verify it for yourself because a dude talking about his own meta doesn't usually go well. Here are my scum games. There might be one or two I'm missing, but these are the ones I remember: Cop Idiot Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328827&user=133498Bureaucracy Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=133498Resistance II: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311315&user=133498Emergency Mini Mafia (3rd party): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311315&user=133498If you take a look at all these games, even Emergency Mini Mafia, what people are attributing to my "bad scum meta" this game are not present at all. As scum I try to play like town-- posting big cases and interacting with people a lot. Where I fail is that as scum, I'm typically overly diplomatic and temperamentally less aggressive. This game is nothing like any of my scum games. Now let's look at the one time I've been mislynched, in Storm Mafia: Storm Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=133498Yeah it's rather old but the point is I don't always play perfectly. Sometimes, yes, I'm making smaller posts and my cases aren't perfect. I've been mislynched for playing to my "scum meta" when in fact I just sometimes play differently as town. I'm not making the same mistake I made in Storm Mafia-- not defending myself zealously and claiming at the appropriate time. I'm the Jailkeeper. My crumb is in the post where I talk about my large penis and how it could work as a "pad" (link)-- for pad-lock, lock, locked up, jail, jailkeeper. Admittedly, role crumbs aren't much supporting evidence, but lynching a claimed blue D1 is amazingly bad play. It's possible there's no scum roleblocker which means my power can still be of use to us. You all have plenty of time to unvote me and vote Z-B before the day ends.
Oh, and by the way, this is BH on VTs fakeclaiming:
On June 17 2012 15:52 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 14:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
So when I was coaching I actually talked to Lazer specifically regarding the claims and the possibilities. It was the most straightforward for a DT in that situation.
I don't at all agree with grush's play in this game, and from a results-oriented perspective it looks good. However, it is INCREDIBLY dangerous in any normal game for a VT to claim DT. Imagine grush fake claimed and he was wrong about his target. That's an instant town loss. Imagine the mafia don't counterclaim and the real DT does; the DT is outted and the mafia can kill both players with ease (one with lynch and the other with a shot) If the DT is lynched, the fakeclaimer almost certainly gets lynched the next day.
With that said, grush got incredibly lucky. Scum panicked a bit (if I were in scum's position I would've simply denied the claim and tried to get grush lynched. I only really consider claiming at lylo). Blues get lynched all the time without counterclaims, and fake blues are even easier to lynch because their claims are flimsy. Someone who pushed and pressured grush to explain his claim could probably have ended up exposing him and getting an easy lynch. This takes confidence, though, and is much easier said than done.
I'd like to second what WBG mentioned here about VT fakeclaims. Typically gambitting with a fakeclaim, especially in a semi-open mini like this, is a great way to get mislynched. The fact that scum freaked out and counterclaimed doesn't mean the gambit was good, it just meaned it worked. If, for example, the real Cop counterclaimed (since a 1-1 trade isn't so bad if they both get lynched, he thinks), it's entirely possible town could have killed the Cop, THEN KILLED THE VT. Could you imagine trying to say "oh, no, it was a fakeclaim you guys" after the Cop claimed, or after he got lynched for his counterclaim and flipped cop? Nobody would buy it. Scum would say "nice try, scum", and so would town. I guess the best analogy here is that Grush walked into a casino, went up to a roulette table, put it all on 0, and won 20 grand. Yeah, he won 20 grand. It doesn't mean the strat was good, though. All it means is he got lucky.
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Basically BH is either JK or scum, as I see it.
He needs to answer for his voting on Z-Bo and Hapa, though. Especially, for me, how we went from Z-Bo looking town to voting him and calling him scum shortly thereafter.
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On November 15 2012 22:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can you find a scum angle on backing out of your claim during N1? It's major WIFOM at best. Which actually makes me think it would be a good move for scum, since trying to keep your story straight as scum JK is hard.
We have quite a bit of time, I'll mull it over.
I can think of angles both ways. He's townie trying to stupidly protect the role he stupidly outed.
Or he's scum who wants to be able to use his roleblock to actually roleblock people.
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On November 15 2012 22:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
Keep in mind he keeps insisting he is playing well.
yes, I know, and I want to hit him in the face for it.
But I kinda believe townie BH is capable of self delusion like that :/
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no, he's not Serial Killer.
He's JK or scum. Pretty sure of this.
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On November 15 2012 11:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:On November 15 2012 11:18 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 11:17 DarthPunk wrote:On November 15 2012 11:13 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 11:00 marvellosity wrote:On November 15 2012 11:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Please, marv, that was so 12 minutes ago you will have to answer for it tomorrow. I *saved* Z-B from the lynch. I have nothing to answer for but my own excellent D1 scumhunting and overall good play. Trying to get as much town cred as possible from your bus hey. you actually tthink that was a bus come on dude it happened in like 2 min and me and bh started and pushed for it give me a break So it was very unlikely to succeed and then if either of them flipped they would have been at a comfortable distace. But It worked. And they had to do something because the way which they bandwagoned me was super fucking suspicious and would have damned them both when I flipped town I'm tired of listening to the garbage you call logic. You're dead tomorrow. http://tinyurl.com/66wbb8t <3
Why did BH say this??
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fuck me, I just read that link in that post and it might be the cutest thing I ever saw.
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Would it be along the lines of "never listen to IRL excuses?"
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go on, tell us what he told you 
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I just wanted the gist of it, not an exact transcript, dear.
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