|
On November 22 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 13:37 DarthPunk wrote:On November 22 2012 13:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
you quoted him talking to marv, perfect one. We didn't crack the setup until Z-Bo's flip. Even then It could have been a 5T setup with SK removed. I was worried about it. Now I don't have to be. Tell me if BH had survived to MYLO and say Iamp and Hopeless had been killed without BH dying you wouldn't have been worried. I would have been not be worried at all, I would have voted the other guy without a blink and said GG. Did you download the tool that Keir use to generate this setup ? I recommend you to go read this page : Keirathi PUBLIC discussion about his setupBH was 100% confirmed !
This, with the addition that SnB and djo wouldn't have stopped until you were convinced.
|
On November 22 2012 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Right, well I did not access that information.
So I guess my fears were unwarranted. HOWEVER that does not mean I was not worried and at the time I asked for a DT check I had the same thoughts and he was NOT confirmed.
I know Djo will push this being scummy. But is it really?
I don't think the fact that you didn't go looking for Keir's setup generator is scummy. At the time that iamperfection quoted you, your suspicions were completely justified.
|
I also lied just now. The setup wasn't properly solved until debears flipped. At the time of that post, we hadn't identified a blue that would exonerate BH yet.
|
btw djo, I was coming for you today and I was prepared to back DP all the way. The perfect one and I would have likely ended up at each others throats because he seemed to really want SnB. Great attempt in a horrible situation. GG everyone.
|
On November 23 2012 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
There's no analysis, town got lucky as well as played well to lynch hapa day 1, vig shot the obvscum, then town derped a bit and tried to throw it away but had such a lead they couldn't.
I should have shot BH like you said I should, then we'd have had a real game to analyze, right?
|
Less confirmed town, lost JK role, more scum-roleblocker shenanigans similar to DP's endgame in Acme
|
I almost broke 10 pages before endgame. This is now my longest ever filter! whooo
|
On November 23 2012 02:32 Keirathi wrote:It was ~100 pages by the end of night one.
Yeah but how much of it was BH and marv ripping each other new ones?
|
I appreciate that djo conceded. He didn't have to, but he was not going to win. I thought he was scummier than DP. It didn't make sense for SnB to be scum anymore with the way DP and djo took over and thrawn's read on DP didn't check out when I re-read day 1. I came to the same conclusion BH did in his deathpost -> SnB & djo to win. It may have taken a bit longer, but I think I would have convinced SnB to follow along.
|
On November 23 2012 06:18 Clarity_nl wrote:it's because I was spamming and being useless, obviously. 
It was more that you could have been more useful to me. You never seemed to get anywhere with your questioning playstyle. You also don't PUSH your reads, and I found that scummy. Yes, your reads were known, but I didn't feel like you were really trying to convince anyone you were right, you were just going through the motions of making a case.
|
On November 23 2012 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
But anyways, well played :D
Hopeless gains the LVP trophy here. Confirmed town, blindly sheeping his vote on me, and just chilling without trying to do shit this late stage of game. Seriously, what bad play. Everyone else was trying to figure shit out. Gah
I really liked this town day one though, insane activity made it tough for scum to hide in. All three scum members were completely discernable from after day one (with the exception of SnB imo... took me a while to get a townread from him), which is something that I've never seen happen before.
We got a bit (a fucking lot) lucky on hapa's lynch, but this was one hell of a day 1for town, and I'm impressed.
Will comment more later.
GG!
A trophy's a trophy I guess...
|
On November 23 2012 06:25 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
But anyways, well played :D
Hopeless gains the LVP trophy here. Confirmed town, blindly sheeping his vote on me, and just chilling without trying to do shit this late stage of game. Seriously, what bad play. Everyone else was trying to figure shit out. Gah
I really liked this town day one though, insane activity made it tough for scum to hide in. All three scum members were completely discernable from after day one (with the exception of SnB imo... took me a while to get a townread from him), which is something that I've never seen happen before.
We got a bit (a fucking lot) lucky on hapa's lynch, but this was one hell of a day 1for town, and I'm impressed.
Will comment more later.
GG! A trophy's a trophy I guess... Seriously though, why did you down your game so much after day one? I know you as a capable player, especially from LVII...
I honestly don't know why I stop putting things into the thread. I'm always thinking about and lurking the game. A combination of BH was alive and I bought into DP's WIFOM bomb theory, and things just went downhill from there.
|
On November 23 2012 06:38 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 06:25 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 06:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
But anyways, well played :D
Hopeless gains the LVP trophy here. Confirmed town, blindly sheeping his vote on me, and just chilling without trying to do shit this late stage of game. Seriously, what bad play. Everyone else was trying to figure shit out. Gah
I really liked this town day one though, insane activity made it tough for scum to hide in. All three scum members were completely discernable from after day one (with the exception of SnB imo... took me a while to get a townread from him), which is something that I've never seen happen before.
We got a bit (a fucking lot) lucky on hapa's lynch, but this was one hell of a day 1for town, and I'm impressed.
Will comment more later.
GG! A trophy's a trophy I guess... Seriously though, why did you down your game so much after day one? I know you as a capable player, especially from LVII... I honestly don't know why I stop putting things into the thread. I'm always thinking about and lurking the game. A combination of BH was alive and I bought into DP's WIFOM bomb theory, and things just went downhill from there. I mentioned this during the game too and it got shot down as "calling people bad", but you truly were the only confirmed town, so you were in a unique position to lead town to victory... TT Your shot on cross was still really good though.
Marv pointed out the lack of caring, so I skimmed crosses game history and took the shot. Also more to do with watching his play in Whose Line and thinking his tunneling of BH made no sense, despite BH having the most ridiculous D1 claim I've ever played through.
|
On November 23 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote:
Oh yea, so I wanted to comment on this to DP since I told him I would:
Z-BosoN should have never been lynched. That was such lazy thinking by everyone in the town.
So, the godfather is lynched day 1. Then, during the night, marv is screaming for the vig to shoot BH (the claimed JK). If ZB was scum, he would know that BH was in fact town, and probably have deduced that BH wasn't lying about the JK claim, and would let the BH vig go through. Instead, ZB comes into the thread saying "No no no no. Don't shoot BH, shoot [my other partner] Crossfire!" Scum just doesn't do that. Period, end of story. Maybe scum ZB would have bussed him the next day, but he would 100% want the vig to waste a shot on a townie rather than his teammate.
I fully considered this and STILL thought the WIFOM bomb theory made sense.
|
On November 23 2012 06:55 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote:
Oh yea, so I wanted to comment on this to DP since I told him I would:
Z-BosoN should have never been lynched. That was such lazy thinking by everyone in the town.
So, the godfather is lynched day 1. Then, during the night, marv is screaming for the vig to shoot BH (the claimed JK). If ZB was scum, he would know that BH was in fact town, and probably have deduced that BH wasn't lying about the JK claim, and would let the BH vig go through. Instead, ZB comes into the thread saying "No no no no. Don't shoot BH, shoot [my other partner] Crossfire!" Scum just doesn't do that. Period, end of story. Maybe scum ZB would have bussed him the next day, but he would 100% want the vig to waste a shot on a townie rather than his teammate. I fully considered this and STILL thought the WIFOM bomb theory made sense. Well, you had already sent in the shot on Crossfire even before he said it, so props to you. But, I still think it was a terrible lynch, and by far the worst wagon of the game.
Even if we didn't have a vig and we ended up lynching crossfire, I legitimately thought Z-bo was on pace to bus both his teammates before Day 2 started when I was content to sit back and watch him get lynched.
|
On November 23 2012 07:44 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:32 Blazinghand wrote:
I actually did read it, I just felt like lynching you was the right move anyways. It's not like we had a huge chance of losing anyways after D1/N1 Exactly. Lazy lazy lazy
I hope you find it in your heart to forgive me.
|
On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways. But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.
I know I'm not a shining beacon of confidence, but I assure you, djo wasn't winning this game.
|
On November 23 2012 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Also I was just personally expressing distaste for DP, not that he should be lynched. And I did say Djoref was scummier. And he did concede as a result.
Yeah but it sounded like you were torn between the two. It made me second guess my own reads when I decided DP couldnt be scum
|
Debears I thought the fire ball was a breadcrumb as well now that you mention it
|
On November 23 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:01 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:58 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I disagree heavily with not lynching replacements. If the guy he was replacing was hella scummy, and in 48 hours you manage to act scummily and provide zero to none reads, that's more information than you have on whoever you lynched on day one. Yes, Djodref played scummy during D2, but you can't hold a guy accountable for the actions of the guy he replaced in for. I gave him 72 hours, then called him scum. This is a liberal interpretation of events. You called him scummier than me. and didn't really help me get a lynch on him as you should have if you were certain like I was. SnB was the scummiest, he was priority 1 I disagree. But fair enough. Now marv just needs to tell me my meta tell so I can change it. you will roll town most of the time (yes, i know you've been a bit unlucky with scum rolls) so having someone recognise you as town is pretty useful. Yes but if I can emulate it I can do it as both alignments and then everyone will know I am town regardless of alignment. Right? how does this benefit me? 
You get a meta town read on someone every game, just like people read you as town every game!
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
