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On November 20 2012 22:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Darth, this isn't snb's meta for town either. All his contributions are very timed with when he's in the spotlight.
All that leaves is your gut.
Scummy about your current behavior is sudden emotional involvement in the game, where you showed none before, you have a scum read on me and djo. I'm town and I have a townread on djo. The fact that you think snb is town.
This is all a smart way to go about things as scum. As snb will likely be lynched tomorrow if not today, so it behooves scum to keep him alive if possible.
Hopeless is confirmed, bh is confirmed, iamp is town, kickstart is town, djo is neutral, you are neutral
You look scummier than djo, currently, because your reads have been the polar opposite of mine all game.
Like I said, I'm focusing on getting snb lynched today and I will do my research in the nightcycle. So that's all I got.
@ Clarity
Actually, this very post was very enlightening for me. Because this is something I did when I was scum in my Looney mafia game. I defended the scummy newbie player like hard. Hopeless should remember how I was trying to prevent us from a daoud mislynch. This would be a very smart move from a scum DP.
S&B, if he is town, looks bad enough to be pushed as a mislynch when the situation gets really tricky at MYLO or LYLO.
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@ DarthPunk
Regarding your case, I think the main point was I didn't scumhunt. I know it was bad but I honestly thought that the mass claim was going to solve the game for us. The first reason was that I was pretty sure that BH was scum and such a plan would have caught him fake claiming for sure, the second reason was that we could get enough confirmed town (if BH was not scum) to force the last scum to concede right away.
It was a reasonable plan and at least S&B agreed and pushed it as well. That means that at least one town player was in favor of this plan. I think that Clarity, iamp and Hopeless can also understand what I wanted to achieve.
Me tunneling BH was also reasonable because he was my top scumread (ok maybe not reasonable, the truth is that I was obsessed by him). I know I didn't put enough effort in this game during D2 otherwise I would have defend Z-Bo more and presented a good case against BH but this was my fucking week-end and I'm getting wasted on my week-ends 
What about the meta part in your case against me ? I found out that you value meta a lot so why don't you look into my filter as scum pardoner in the Looney Game and present a meta case against me if you truly think that I'm the last scum ?
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I have to go to bed now, I'm exhausted, it's past 3 am here and this game doesn't allow me to sleep well.
I'll try to provide my analysis on Clarity tomorrow before going to work, I have some notes but the DP case took all my time.
Night guys !
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On November 21 2012 07:51 iamperfection wrote:
I'm gonna guess djos vote isn't going to change since he is asleep?
No, I'm just waking up. I have to catch up with the thread and I'll see if I have to reconsider.
I'll be at work at the deadline though so I'll check from my phone 
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On November 21 2012 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:
So here's where I'm at amongst the unconfirmed townies:
Definitely town: iamp, kick
probably town: dp
Lynch: SnB, Clarity, Drojef
I'm gonna sit down again with each of SnB, Clarity and Drojef, then make my vote.
I like how you mispell my name on purpose but I have to ask you to call me Djo now
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Why did nobody comment on my DP case ?
What does everybody think about the fact that he is the only one with a town read on S&B ?
Nobody up for a DP lynch today ?
If I have to choose right now, I would lynch Clarity over S&B, but I don't want to come to that.
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On November 21 2012 08:26 DarthPunk wrote:
K I'm back. I'd rather lynch clarity than S&B and djo isn't happening for some reason. So I am going to consolidate onto clarity.
##Unvote
##vote: Clarity
Well, maybe your case against me was not convincing enough...
Can I have my own meta case if you get the time to spare ? I'm jealous of Z-Bo right now...
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On November 21 2012 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Also. The case on me was terrible. Just pointing out bad play. I may have played poorly but there is nothing that shows a scum mindset or motive in that case.
Djo, on the other hand, has not scumhunted at all until I pointed it out and then crossvotes me.
Also. I would like to remind everyone that I was being pushed by scum, my mislynch was stopped by town,My not being lynched resulted in a bandwagon on hapa whom I called out in my death post which I then hammered and resulted in a scum lynch.
If you don't think I am town after that I am speechless.
There was a bandwagon on Z-Bo in between and you were a fervent support of it. The persons you really called in your death post were Z-Bo and Clarity.
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On November 21 2012 08:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
Since you're not getting lynched it seems, djo, can it wait please? I'd rather people focus on the people at risk of getting lynched.
Fair enough...
Honestly, you are a problem for me right now Clarity. My guts tell me that you are town, your play feels different from last game. You are interacting with everyone and shows a genuine concern for this game in my eyes.
The problem I have is that I should lynch you from a rational point of view.
The case with you interactions with Hapa from BH is a strong evidence against you in my eyes. S&B shows that you could have somehow faked all your interactions and concern for this game. What I can't really explain myself is that you don't like confusion and last minute shenanigans when our last game (this game also by the way) has proved that they could be good for town because scum might be caught after the confusion. I don't like the way you defended yourself from the cases against you because you are mainly calling them bad and I don't see a real intention to change the mind of your attacker and WIFOM was used sometimes.
So for all this, I don't want you at LYLO for sure.
Regarding S&B, I've come to realize that we took the same approach for this game, so I could only blame him for being less active than me, which is not enough to lynch him.
But right now, I would like to lynch DarthPunk above the both of you. For the reasons I have stated in my case.
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On November 21 2012 08:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Djo, you point this out but you're willing to lynch me over snb?
I want DP to be lynched today but I would choose you over S&B if I have to make the choice.
But that would be stupid and against my feelings so please everybody reconsider DP
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On November 21 2012 08:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 08:34 Djodref wrote:On November 21 2012 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Also. The case on me was terrible. Just pointing out bad play. I may have played poorly but there is nothing that shows a scum mindset or motive in that case.
Djo, on the other hand, has not scumhunted at all until I pointed it out and then crossvotes me.
Also. I would like to remind everyone that I was being pushed by scum, my mislynch was stopped by town,My not being lynched resulted in a bandwagon on hapa whom I called out in my death post which I then hammered and resulted in a scum lynch.
If you don't think I am town after that I am speechless.
There was a bandwagon on Z-Bo in between and you were a fervent support of it. The persons you really called in your death post were Z-Bo and Clarity. Yeah. And I had a legitimate scum read on him. If you think being wrong and milynching makes someone scum you are sorely mistaken and that does not change the previous facts. In fact, I am more likely to look badly after a mislynch as town than as scum because as scum I know how people are going to flip and I can make myself look good based on that foreknowledge.
That's the reason why I think you chose Hapa over Z-Bo after all. Because your scum read on Hapa was mainly based on the fact that you "obviously saw" that he was bussing Z-Bo.
Could you elaborate on your sudden scum read on Hapa because this one didn't look legitimate in my eye ?
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On November 21 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 08:34 Djodref wrote:On November 21 2012 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Also. The case on me was terrible. Just pointing out bad play. I may have played poorly but there is nothing that shows a scum mindset or motive in that case.
Djo, on the other hand, has not scumhunted at all until I pointed it out and then crossvotes me.
Also. I would like to remind everyone that I was being pushed by scum, my mislynch was stopped by town,My not being lynched resulted in a bandwagon on hapa whom I called out in my death post which I then hammered and resulted in a scum lynch.
If you don't think I am town after that I am speechless.
There was a bandwagon on Z-Bo in between and you were a fervent support of it. The persons you really called in your death post were Z-Bo and Clarity. This is bullshit BTW. I had several pre death posts. My reads changed in between which is a TOWN trait. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:43 DarthPunk wrote:On November 15 2012 10:37 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 10:35 DarthPunk wrote:On November 15 2012 10:34 iamperfection wrote:
DP DO NOT RUN AWAY IF YOUR TOWN. Give reads on the people voting on you. I just did. more How about this. I was probably not going to be lynched until two of the best town players I know who are very rarely wrong about scum reads lead the most retarded wagon in the world on me which is wrong. So either they are worse than I thought. Can't read me at all or are scum. Hapa is not playing the same as GSL he is playing worse. Hi scum game is townie though so be wary of that. But he is not giving the confident and often correct reads taht he usually gives as town. He is starting up a stupid fucking wagon that he is usually wary of as town. Hapa is like the fucking divine presence of level headedness usually but this band wagon is not it. BH I have never played with before. But he is reading scum into things that should not be read as scummy. SO he might just be worse than I thought. Marv is actually fucking right although rightly confused but seems townie from genuinely wanting to figure shit out rather than leap onto a retarded wagon. Also. How much fucking conviction does BH have in his reads when I am so scummy but then he insta votes for a fucking Coin toss. BH is scum. Because he doesn't give a fuck about the lynch as long as he lynches a townie. Here I call out HAPA and BH as my top scumreads. AFTER the previous post that you are misrepresenting as my only death post. This was BEFORE I switched off ZB onto HAPA whom due to additional information became my number one scum read which is reflected in the alterations between my death posts.
I have difficulties to imagine you figuring it out Hapa in such a short time interval. Could I have some details about what changed your mind between your 2 "last will" posts ?
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My problem is that you figured out Hapa in a very short span of time and this was during the same time that BH, debears and iamp were throwing FoS at Hapa.
And you figured out he was scum by association with your top scum read, which was Z-Bo. You found out that Hapa was trying to derail Z-Bo lynch with debears and then found out that he was bussing him. Many people were in favor of your lynch and you singled out Hapa from all of them.
Hapa was going to get lynched at D2 because so many people were realizing that his play was not right. You escaped the lynch and got a good opportunity of lynching Z-Bo while preparing your bus for D2. But things happened more quickly than you thought.
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I need to go to work right now. I'll check the thread from my phone but I guess that Clarity is getting lynched today.
This is wrong, I think we should lynch DP to win this game.
Can I ask everyone voting for Clarity right now to assess their conviction in his guiltiness ?
Do you really think that he is the last scum ?
My list among non-confirmed players from the most town to the most scummy so far goes down to- iamp
- Kickstart
- S&B
- Clarity
- DP
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On November 21 2012 09:33 Blazinghand wrote:
so Kickstart here's what I suspect will happen over the course of these cycles, assuming we only mislynch:
Today: lynch one from SnB+Clarity+Djo+DP
Tonight: I'm shot
Tomorrow: lynch one more from SnB+Clarity+Djo+DP
Tomorrow night: Hopeless is shot
Final day: Kickstart, Iamperfection, and the last 2 from the 4 scummy players are alive-- 3 town, 1 scum.
Assuming we only mislynch until MYLO, we'll have a MYLO with you, iamp, and probably Djo+DP. I'm very sure scum will be shooting me and hopeless tonight and tomorrow night (though maybe not in that order). So we have 3 lynches into 4 players to find 1 scum. Any town or scum reads within those 4 will help us narrow it down.
I totally second this Post.
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My guts say no to your guts...
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Am I seriously the only one not in favor of a Clarity lynch ?
Anyone up for dp last minute counterwagon ?
Why would scum keep on trying like he does ? Why Clarity is not conceding at this point ?
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looks like its you anyway
you have really improved your game if you flip scum...
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On November 21 2012 14:15 DarthPunk wrote:
also his vote was parked uselessly day one on the wagon scum were pushing. i.e. ME.
@ DarthPunk
Do you plan to write a meta case against me or you don't think it is necessary ?
I personally don't use meta but you do so I would appreciate to see what you can bring against me. Here are the links for my previous games.
Also, at the exception of the lack of scumhunting, which I gave a reason for, do you see any point that I didn't address correctly in your case ?
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