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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 07:22 GMT
#1042
I have got work to do ! Anyway the thread is mostly dead at this hour...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 07:27 GMT
#1043
On November 05 2012 16:22 da0ud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote:
@ daoud

You are right but this kind of reasoning could lead us into a WIFOM hell.

In my honest opinion, Clarity is very likely to be scum, so a possible jailkeeper would have good chances to prevent him from killing. Maybe the mafia is going to listen to me as well and use the other member to carry the night kill, maybe they are going to use Clarity anyway, maybe I'm totally wrong and Clarity is town. I don't know and I don't even know if we have a jailkeeper but I would say that it's the best thing for him to do.
Anyway, it's down to the jailkeeper decision (if he exists), he could also decide to jail me to give me protection. I wouldn't mind this


Why do you think you would need more protection than anyone else ? First the medic, now the jailkeeper ?
I feel more concerned about being NKed than you.
People are being suspicious about you, which is good for the scum team if you are town.
I was the one to scream out loud not to lynch CC this way. I had the trauma in my first game when we all decided to lynch austin at the last moment out of more or less nothing. Mementoss did try to save him and got NKed right after.


@ daoud

I'm pretty sure that Clarity is part of the scumteam and I'm obviously going to push for a Clarity lynch tomorrow. If I am right, the mafia team would better do to kill me than letting me alive, even if I'm looking suspicious.

Also, publicly requesting medic or jailkeeper is kind of a bluff. I want the mafia team to eat their part of WIFOM ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 07:44 GMT
#1046
1) Well, Rad doesn't seem convinced that Clarity is the good target for a lynch, debears looks more interested in sylver, sylver might want to lynch debears, Alsn I don't really. So that's Obzy, you and me for a Clarity lynch so I guess that one of us three is going to get killed. By the way, a lot of thing can happen tomorrow, anyone of us could change his mind.

2) Yeah, speculations about night kill and night actions are usually very WIFOMy. I'm just hoping that we are putting them in the same state of confusion right now
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 08:10 GMT
#1048
@ daoud

It's done. Did you find someone suspicious enough to deserve a lynch, at the exception of clarity ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 13:14 GMT
#1052
@ Clarity

Why did you keep this information for yourself ?
Now that the thread is calmed down, could you explain in detail why you wanted to lynch Cheese ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 13:16 GMT
#1053
EBWOP: If you had checked this with marv way earlier than cheese claim, what prevented you from asking him the permission to share this info with everybody in the meantime ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 13:31 GMT
#1056
On November 05 2012 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On November 05 2012 22:16 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: If you had checked this with marv way earlier than cheese claim, what prevented you from asking him the permission to share this info with everybody in the meantime ?


Nothing prevented me from doing that, I just didn't. It only occurred to me as I was about to post it that posting a mod pm might not be a good idea.


So you have learned that mafia could do ”safe” fakeclaims with the help of the VT flavor but you didn't even ask the host if it was ok to share this information ?
That's kind of anti-town, wouldn't you agrre ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 13:39 GMT
#1058
I'm phone posting now so I'm going to give you only a quick answer for my lynch of Cheese. I've already brought up some elements to explain my failure but what decided me was cheese reaction to Alsn pressure and the fact that his ill-timed claim allowed him to say "clarity confirmed VT btw" which came very scummy if you consider that I'm pretty sure that you are scum.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 13:42 GMT
#1059
On November 05 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 22:31 Djodref wrote:
On November 05 2012 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 05 2012 22:16 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: If you had checked this with marv way earlier than cheese claim, what prevented you from asking him the permission to share this info with everybody in the meantime ?


Nothing prevented me from doing that, I just didn't. It only occurred to me as I was about to post it that posting a mod pm might not be a good idea.


So you have learned that mafia could do ”safe” fakeclaims with the help of the VT flavor but you didn't even ask the host if it was ok to share this information ?
That's kind of anti-town, wouldn't you agrre ?


Like I said, it didn't occur to me it might be against the rules until I wanted to post it.


How convenient !
Almost as convenient as suddenly finding Cheese scummy when you are in danger of being lynched
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 14:06 GMT
#1062
On November 05 2012 08:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Confirmed clarity as VT btw.


@ Clarity

What did you think of this post ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 14:19 GMT
#1064
Indeed, you are not confirmed town.

What did you think of this post at the moment when he posted it ?

marv, it is against the rules to ask Clarity what he asked you exactly and when and also is it ok for him to answer this question?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 14:29 GMT
#1069
Well, I didn't want to say it like this but that's it ^^
We're going to avenge you Cheese
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 14:31 GMT
#1072
Which one of us is your partner in crime Clarity ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 15:51 GMT
#1082
@ Clarity

What did you exactly ask marv and when ?
Please notice how easy it is to ask if something is against the rules or not

Also I would like to answer me what were your thoughts when you saw this post for the first time :

On November 05 2012 08:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Confirmed clarity as VT btw.




Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 16:08 GMT
#1084
@ Rad

I need this information to be sure. I want to know what he asked
The both questions are very relevant.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 16:40 GMT
#1088


Why Town Clarity would have never lynched Cheese




Let's take a look at the history of the interactions between Clarity and Cheese


On November 04 2012 17:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Top 3 choices in my eyes are Debears, Sylver and you.

As for people who haven't answered my questions: Alsn, Cheese, Sylver.


On November 04 2012 17:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
Cheese is not looking scummy. He hasn't answered my question but that by itself doesn't mean a whole lot. It's in combination with other factors that it means something to me.
<snip>


Lynch - 17H -> Cheese is not looking scummy despite the fact that he did not answer Town Clarity question. Town Clarity must have some kind of town read on him...


On November 05 2012 07:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think that if you were to go on: being neutral and not making points = scum (on day 1) then Cheese would be a good target.
I'm not convinced that it's scummy though, as I think keeping a clear head and taking in as much information as possible is most important day 1. I find there are always people to push information out of others, and I feel that (for me personally) if I push people I tend to get confirmation bias, so I avoid it early.


On November 05 2012 07:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
<snip>

@ Rad

He's being accused of the same things I am, if I argue for/against Cheese it'll all be major WIFOM


Lynch - 2H -> Town Clarity has forgot Cheese for a while but then Alsn drops his case and asks Town Clarity what he thinks about Cheese. Town Clarity recognizes that Cheese is accused of the same things he is accused of but does not sympathize and does not try to defend him. Town Clarity is wishy washy on Cheese...


Lynch - 1H30 -> Cheese claims and Town Clarity is doubtful. After all, Town Clarity knows already everything about the flavor which has been given to anyone. But then...
On November 05 2012 08:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Confirmed clarity as VT btw.

Then town Clarity is unable to recognize the genuineness of VT who was believing, like he might have done before and asked marv about it, that the flavor was imb4 and was like a password which would allow the VTs to acknowledge each others.



Town Clarity knows that he is town. How could he not be moved by Cheese trying to confirm him town ? I would like to remind you that Town Clarity has never really been suspicious of Cheese.
Instead, he coldly voted him and spat on his corpse while shouting WIFOM DEFENSE !

Town Clarity doesn't exist, Clarity is scum !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 16:42 GMT
#1089
I can do the same one with the history of the interactions between him and me.
But I don't want to bother.

Who is still believing in Town Clarity ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 16:45 GMT
#1090
On November 05 2012 08:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am completely lost now after what just happened.
Is there ANYONE other than sylver here that thinks debears might be scum? Seriously doubting right about now...


By the way, this one is seriously reminding me Dandel Ion D1 during last game ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 16:46 GMT
#1091
On November 06 2012 01:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote:
Also I would like to answer me what were your thoughts when you saw this post for the first time :

On November 05 2012 08:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Confirmed clarity as VT btw.


"Jesus Christ"
I tried to stop him from doing this.


@ Clarity

So he was looking genuine to you ?

Why did you not try to defend him and push a lynch on debears ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 05 2012 16:48 GMT
#1092
On November 06 2012 01:11 Rad wrote:
@Djo

You don't agree that the information could be helpful for blue hunting (if his answer is sincere, that is)? I realize that if you're town, you actually don't believe he's town also so his answer is a scum answer, but let's say you're both town. Do you think the answer to your question is good information to give scum?


@ Rad

Yes, because there is something which doesn't make sense at all in his story. Please check his interactions with Cheese and tell me what you think about it.
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