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On November 06 2012 03:18 Obzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 03:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's not what I asked. I asked if everyone was aware of the VT flavor.
If I'm VT -> I want to make sure if I should claim (when the time comes) Townie or Regular Fapper, and I wonder if scum/blue knows flavour.
If I'm Blue -> I want to know if scum knows VT flavor, and if VT knows the rest knows flavour.
If I'm Scum -> I want to know if blues know flavor, and if VT know the rest knows flavour. Hmmm. To me, the idea that other roles knew VT flavor didn't remotely cross my mind until it became a central issue, so it made no sense that you would've asked Marv about it. I'll think on it. Alsn and Rad feeling differently about you is making me worry lol.
Okay well, you implied you narrowed me down to blue or scum, so let me phrase it this way:
If I'm VT, and I notice the difference between PM and OP flavour, I would wonder if saying I'm a regular fapper would create chaos because the blue roles and scum have no idea what I'm talking about OR if I claim Townie, that people would say I'm lying because I would've known it was called regular fapper if I was actually VT..... I hope that makes sense.
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I think his behaviour during the hour before Cheese lynch was really weird. He doesn't seem at all concerned about Cheese's claim, my reaction etc. While everyone is trying to figure it out wth Cheese's motivations are and what my response meant, he was saying "I now believe the scumteam is Debears/Clarity!" with little to no reasoning.
When it came to his opening post... all the "scumslips" that people pointed out were legitimate concerns. But then sylver posted a bit more, and a bit more, and I came to realize that if I wanted to, I could point out a scumslip in every single one of his posts.
The thing that's most concerning is his activity. Although his profile states today is his birthday, and it is the nightcycle, I guess I can excuse him for today. But during day 1 he came in way late and didn't offer much more than flailing of arms and pointing of fingers. Although everyone else is making more and more sense as time goes on, sylver is the biggest mystery.
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Okay since there hasn't been a post for an hour now I think it's time for me to go to bed. I urge the blue roles to do what they individually think is right. Do not let anyone tell you what to do, it makes you predictable.
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On November 06 2012 16:56 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
If you are town, the only way to redeem yourself is to seriously scumhunt from now on. Don't waste your time on defense and I would recommend you to not waste your time on me, but that's up to you.
Now that you're finally giving me the chance. Or no it's not even that, it's that you're being forced to give me the chance.
Why would you add that I shouldn't make a case on you? please explain.
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ebwop Rad, I was shitty town last game? I'm hurt, I made 1 case and it was accurate :p /fluff
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On November 06 2012 17:50 Djodref wrote:@ RadWhat if clarity PM'd the host asking about this before the cheese incident? What if he just realized that you can't read into the flavor too much because, well, it's true, you can't read into the flavor too much? Why must "he's scum!" be the answer? Null read to me.
How did you know that Clarity had sent a PM to the host about this subject before he told us ?[/QUOTE]
Because of the time it took me to reply in the thread, and the hours upon hours it takes for marv to get back to you (just kidding marv)
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On November 06 2012 17:52 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 17:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 06 2012 16:56 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
If you are town, the only way to redeem yourself is to seriously scumhunt from now on. Don't waste your time on defense and I would recommend you to not waste your time on me, but that's up to you. Now that you're finally giving me the chance. Or no it's not even that, it's that you're being forced to give me the chance. Why would you add that I shouldn't make a case on you? please explain. @ ClarityI'm town, you would just waste your time. Could you tell us how you came with the idea to ask the host a question about the VT flavor ?
I have said this, a million times. The VT flavor in the PM is different than the flavor in the OP. Please read my posts, stop repeating questions and accusations if you actually believe they have merit.
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I'm just confused by the major fuck up in your quote tree. Look at who's saying what....
I'm answering a question which will be asked to me anyway if Rad doesn't know. But if Rad thought logically the answer would be the same as mine.
Or maybe he just read one of the five posts where you asked me this and I explained.
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On November 06 2012 17:56 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 17:53 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 06 2012 17:52 Djodref wrote:On November 06 2012 17:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 06 2012 16:56 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
If you are town, the only way to redeem yourself is to seriously scumhunt from now on. Don't waste your time on defense and I would recommend you to not waste your time on me, but that's up to you. Now that you're finally giving me the chance. Or no it's not even that, it's that you're being forced to give me the chance. Why would you add that I shouldn't make a case on you? please explain. @ ClarityI'm town, you would just waste your time. Could you tell us how you came with the idea to ask the host a question about the VT flavor ? I have said this, a million times. The VT flavor in the PM is different than the flavor in the OP. Please read my posts, stop repeating questions and accusations if you actually believe they have merit. @ ClarityDid you think, as Cheese did, that VT claim could be imb4 in this game ?
No, because I learnt that everyone had the flavor.
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@ Rad
Could you explain your FoS on Obzy a bit better?
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@ Djo
Since you are so certain I am scum, why have you not been concerned with finding the second scum until people forced you to back off?
Debears admitted he was wrong to push me N1 because he'd be bluehunting, so when the day would come (and he'd be alive) I imagine he'd pressure me again.
You on the other hand didn't care at all, push push push push. Have you not considered the possibility that, since you've been pushing me for 48h straight, you might have confirmation bias? Especially since you're saying it's okay to bluehunt as long as you push your top scumread....
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I didn't avoid a lynch, it avoided me.
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On November 06 2012 11:18 Djodref wrote:@ ClarityShow nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 23:27 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role. Now, you're lieing. That's a claim It's safe to assume that since Townie isn't Townie, other roles have different names too, right? Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:45 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 23:45 debears wrote:
@clarity
I just thought over things. I'm dropping any pressure against you until i do more research I don't think forcing me to roleclaim during N1 is a good idea. @ ClarityRight now, Obzy, daoud and me want to lynch you. I guess it shouldn't be too difficult to convince sylverfyre to vote against you as well. I want you to roleclaim and to tell us what you did ask marv exactly.I'm on Obzy side, I cannot believe that you could be something else than blue or red, given your experience in this game.
On November 06 2012 09:57 Djodref wrote:
If Clarity claims tomorrow, this is going to be a fakeclaim
I'm 99% of this. If I die, I'll hope you understand that the claim is fake.
@ Djo
Why would claiming during the night be good, but me claiming today would be a scum move?
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ebwop: Also, what do you mean by "your experience this game"?
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On November 06 2012 20:15 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
Night or Day, I'm expecting a fake blue claim from you. I wanted to force you to produce it and try to show how your blue claim is fake. I did not manage to do it last time for dandel but I should get my revenge
Given your experience in this game, I doubt that you actually went for marv to ask your infamous question about the flavor, in the case where you are VT.
So what you are saying is that regardless of what I claim or how I claim it, you would have considered it a false claim because I am scum?
Why would I claim blue during the night, why would you try to get me to claim blue during the night? I don't see an obvious scum motive, since odds were scum wouldn't lynch me, looking at all the pressure on me, but I sure as hell don't see a town motive. You were saying (and still are) that I'm either scum or blue, and then you ask me to claim my role?
How are you so absolutely sure that I'm scum, yet you can only convince half of the players. I've asked you before if you have wondered at any point if you have confirmation bias, could you please answer that question?
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On November 06 2012 20:15 Djodref wrote:
Given your experience in this game, I doubt that you actually went for marv to ask your infamous question about the flavor, in the case where you are VT.
I still don't understand what you mean by this.
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On November 06 2012 20:46 Djodref wrote:I think that you are blue or scum because a VT Clarity would have defended Cheese. But I don t think that you can really be blue... So there is a big chance for you to be scum  call it confirmation bias if you want, I dont understand why you want argue with me... Y u no scumhunt ?
I'm doing it right now.
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On November 06 2012 21:01 Djodref wrote:
ok, we have now 2 VT dead. Both of them were at least as experienced on playing mafia on this forum if not more for debears. Both of them did not ask the host about the flavor or whatever.
Here is what I expect of VT Clarity
~ not sending a question to the host about the flavor in your own VT pm, which Clarity did
~ even with some doubts, recognize the genuiness of the other two VT going into a high five festival and join the festival, which Clarity did not do
My conclusion: you are not VT or it s really unlikely and you have not natural reactions for a newbie
please tell me where I am wrong
You are wrong in the fact that no matter which role I am I would have noticed the flavor difference in PM and OP.
This automatically answers your second point, why the hell would I go into a high five festival, giving scum more info about who's VT and who's blue.
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Stop repeating questions over and over. I have answered this already.
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