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On November 05 2012 22:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 22:16 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: If you had checked this with marv way earlier than cheese claim, what prevented you from asking him the permission to share this info with everybody in the meantime ? Nothing prevented me from doing that, I just didn't. It only occurred to me as I was about to post it that posting a mod pm might not be a good idea. So you have learned that mafia could do ”safe” fakeclaims with the help of the VT flavor but you didn't even ask the host if it was ok to share this information ? That's kind of anti-town, wouldn't you agrre ?
Like I said, it didn't occur to me it might be against the rules until I wanted to post it.
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On November 05 2012 22:39 Djodref wrote:
I'm phone posting now so I'm going to give you only a quick answer for my lynch of Cheese. I've already brought up some elements to explain my failure but what decided me was cheese reaction to Alsn pressure and the fact that his ill-timed claim allowed him to say "clarity confirmed VT btw" which came very scummy if you consider that I'm pretty sure that you are scum.
But... I didn't say that, he did.
Also which came very scummy if you consider that I'm pretty sure that you are scum.
What?
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ebwop: I re-read your post, it makes more sense to me now. You're saying he looked scummy because he "confirmed" me as VT, when you had preconceptions of me being scum. Disregard my previous post.
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I think with the information he had at the time, he believed I was confirmed town.
I'm the one who said "let's not make assumptions" a bit before that though. I am not confirmed town.
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I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything.
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On November 05 2012 23:27 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role. Now, you're lieing. That's a claim
It's safe to assume that since Townie isn't Townie, other roles have different names too, right?
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On November 05 2012 23:31 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 23:27 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role. Now, you're lieing. That's a claim It's safe to assume that since Townie isn't Townie, other roles have different names too, right? Alright there are some assumptions we need to make here 1) you're VT - You do not know anyone else gets VT role pm. You then ask marv. Marv clarify's everyone does have it. You don't share it with everyone to prevent VT claim or stop useless VT claims 2) You're a blue - You know you got the VT claim, but you're claiming VT right now. You knew VT's did not know anyone else had role pm by talking to marv. You did not share with the town crucial information to prevent stupid/fake VT claims 3) You're mafia - You knew you have VT role pm, you aren't suprised by the claim flavor. You didn't tell the town crucial information because you're mafia. If you were blue, you would have shared the info thru marv
I didn't tell town because I didn't want scum to know I knew. This way when scum tries to fake claim VT I can call them out on it. I didn't expect a townie to make a shitty claim, why would he?
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Guys I've been holding out on doing groceries for an hour or so now. Within 30 minutes I'll have to leave to do them and some chores, and I will be back in 2 ish hours. So if you have any questions you want answered NOW, please ask them.
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On November 05 2012 23:45 debears wrote:
@clarity
I just thought over things. I'm dropping any pressure against you until i do more research
I don't think forcing me to roleclaim during N1 is a good idea.
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Okay. I'm sorry Djo if you're currently typing a question, you'll have to wait a bit for my answer. Be back soon. I hope to get some input from everyone else.
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On November 06 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote:Also I would like to answer me what were your thoughts when you saw this post for the first time :
"Jesus Christ"
I tried to stop him from doing this.
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No, I tried to stop him from saying that because if he did, as town, it would be moronic. And as you pointed out, I was starting to doubt my case on debears.
Do you really not see a scum motive for Cheese pointing me out as "confirmed town"
Again, you seem to think I had special information after marv posted that everyone knows VT flavor, but I didn't, you were just as informed as I was. We all voted for Cheese.
Town Clarity has forgot Cheese for a while
No, I was just kinda busy answering 1001 questions from you and debears. I was busy defending myself.
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On November 06 2012 02:00 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 01:52 Clarity_nl wrote:No, I tried to stop him from saying that because if he did, as town, it would be moronic. And as you pointed out, I was starting to doubt my case on debears. Do you really not see a scum motive for Cheese pointing me out as "confirmed town" Again, you seem to think I had special information after marv posted that everyone knows VT flavor, but I didn't, you were just as informed as I was. We all voted for Cheese.Town Clarity has forgot Cheese for a while No, I was just kinda busy answering 1001 questions from you and debears. I was busy defending myself. @ ClarityAre you trying to deny your responsibility in the lynch ? Daoud did not vote for Cheese because he really believed that debears was scum... I have explained my reasons for lynching Cheese. I was being stupid but at least it makes some sense. I don't understand how you could not recognize that he was town and genuinely believing in the power of the VT flavor. How could you believe he was scum ? The only reason I see is that you were mafia and too happy to see a possibility to escape your lynch to think straight.
I was already safe from lynching before I switched.
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On November 06 2012 02:01 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
What did you exactly ask marv and when ?
<snip>
Ask me again in the morning. Stop blue hunting and stop telling blues what to do.
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On November 06 2012 02:06 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 02:02 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 06 2012 02:01 Djodref wrote:On November 06 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
What did you exactly ask marv and when ?
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Ask me again in the morning. Stop blue hunting and stop telling blues what to do. @ ClarityAfter a post like this, the only possibility for you to be alive tomorrow morning is being mafia.
You don't understand do you? Debears got the hint.
Doesn't matter what I answer, what role I claim, it will help scum.
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@ Obzy
The reason I asked marv before Cheese claiming was because I noticed what Cheese did. The OP Townie does not match with the PM townie. The PM townie flavor is in every PM. How do you conclude from this that I am blue or scum?
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There is way too much stubbornness in this game, and I'm guilty of it too. Going to make dinner, be back in 30 minutes.
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On November 06 2012 02:32 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
Could you at least tell me when you asked marv your question ?
I'm only asking for when right now ^^
Date: 11/5/12 2:48
On November 06 2012 02:29 Obzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 02:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Obzy
The reason I asked marv before Cheese claiming was because I noticed what Cheese did. The OP Townie does not match with the PM townie. The PM townie flavor is in every PM. How do you conclude from this that I am blue or scum? Because whether or not the text matches in the OP compared to the PM doesn't matter. I'm certain that every single person noticed this, but nobody else (has mentioned) PM'd Marv specifically asking if the VT flavor text meant VT. It seemed fairly self-explanatory. And - I was under the impression that Cheese's claim was technically when he first put Regular Fapper at the end of his post; to him [as it turned out], that was a claim to all other VTs to take notice of that would not be recognized by blue or mafia. I don't agree that Cheese's actual claim was later- it was clear to him from the beginning.
That's not what I asked. I asked if everyone was aware of the VT flavor.
If I'm VT -> I want to make sure if I should claim (when the time comes) Townie or Regular Fapper, and I wonder if scum/blue knows flavour.
If I'm Blue -> I want to know if scum knows VT flavor, and if VT knows the rest knows flavour.
If I'm Scum -> I want to know if blues know flavor, and if VT know the rest knows flavour.
On November 06 2012 02:29 Obzy wrote:
Don't try to convince me that you aren't scum, convince me(and everybody else) who is.
Easy for you to say, there are only so many hours in a day and I spent all of mine defending myself, and still am.
I was hoping today would be calmer because it's the nightcycle, but it seems people would rather push and push and push rather than collect their thoughts.
On November 06 2012 02:43 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 02:01 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 06 2012 02:00 Djodref wrote:On November 06 2012 01:52 Clarity_nl wrote:No, I tried to stop him from saying that because if he did, as town, it would be moronic. And as you pointed out, I was starting to doubt my case on debears. Do you really not see a scum motive for Cheese pointing me out as "confirmed town" Again, you seem to think I had special information after marv posted that everyone knows VT flavor, but I didn't, you were just as informed as I was. We all voted for Cheese.Town Clarity has forgot Cheese for a while No, I was just kinda busy answering 1001 questions from you and debears. I was busy defending myself. @ ClarityAre you trying to deny your responsibility in the lynch ? Daoud did not vote for Cheese because he really believed that debears was scum... I have explained my reasons for lynching Cheese. I was being stupid but at least it makes some sense. I don't understand how you could not recognize that he was town and genuinely believing in the power of the VT flavor. How could you believe he was scum ? The only reason I see is that you were mafia and too happy to see a possibility to escape your lynch to think straight. I was already safe from lynching before I switched. @ ClarityOk, that's cool, if you were safe when you switched, it's sure that your vote did not mean anything.
It does mean something, but what it meant (in my eyes) was: "I'm having doubts about debears being scum, especially with the way he's reacting to all of this"
Cheese looked scummiest to me at that point, and YES, it made it so that I didn't get lynched. Surprise, a 100% wrong lynch looked worse to me than the person who looked scummiest to me. (See, I can do sarcasm as well)
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That the VT flavor PM is different than the flavor in the OP, which is stock. So the PM said regular fapper, and the OP said Townie.
Cheese noticed this, that was his reasoning for claiming, because in his eyes only VT could recognize it.
Please read, I've said this earlier.
I'm also not a fan of how you claim to be leaving and then pop up again when it's convenient. This is the third time you've done this.
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ebwop: During all the chaos I even asked Cheese if he would've claimed had he known the flavor was known to all, and he said no.
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