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Are you writing your posts while skimming through the thread ? Was it the case for your first post ? Regarding my vote on you, I honestly thought you had made a scumslip because I understood "casting suspicion upon" like "trying to discredit". It was on no way a defense of debears. Speaking of the devil, I don't want to focus on him right now because he is the most active player among us. I hope to have more time to really analyze his filter and his motivations. | ||
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By the way, here is my defense against Cheese FoS: + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 14:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: *Sigh* Of course I'm focused on defending myself. I started to post some stuff you on Debears in regards to Alsn posting about you, but then Djo proceeds to tunnel me. Here's the obligitory OMGUS case on Djo. I learned a lot of stuff from Nack last game, despite him being an arrogant SOB. I made this exact mistake last game as scum, "Djo is not off the hook" thing. He wants to ensure that his suspicions for me are known. As town, he would not have to make this statement because he would have faith that we already know that. Again, another exact mistake I made last game. Feeling the need to tell people that you have been reading the thread. For the second part, he's assuring that we realize that he knows this game is important to him. As town, he wouldn't feel the need to tell us that the game is important. Then there is the entire "joke" case he makes, which is, no matter how you slice it, a terrible argument. He summons it up from nowhere and makes a huge deal about it. I want to drop the conversation because it's irrelevant and cluttering the thread. He insists that there is something there, but I reiterate, there is not. Need I even mention how utterly hypocritical this post is? ##FOS: Djodref @ Cheese Here is my response regarding your FoS on me. I've inserted your post in the spoiler. First of all, let me say that using OMGUS to vote people is more a mafia trait than a town trait. Dandel has been really OMGUsing me last game when I have made my case against me. Anyway, you have your reasons, so let me address them. Regarding the "you are still on my radar" part, I've been tunneling you for a while and I have not been fully satisfied with your explanations. Nevertheless, we agreed that we should better drop our argument because I was going too far and started to post some posts irrelevant to this game. I was just expressing my opinion on you after our argument which could have been different if you had provided me better explanations. About me re-reading the thread, I was trying to explain you and everyone the context for my sudden FoS on you. You attacked me on the logic but I think the logic was fine because debears had FoS Alsn and I had FoS you for different reasons. In fact, I've realized that I had just dropped a bomb in the thread. That was my initial intent to spark discussion but I got bad feedback about it so I wanted to give better context. To finish about jokes, I'm totally for using jokes in this game  But I've been using jokes on purpose when I was mafia to buddy some other players or to lightly cast suspicion on them. So I'm wary of the "scum tell" jokes. In France, we say that there is also a part of truth in jokes and lies  And I've been an hypocrite, I admit it. But I really laughed to debears joke ^^ Please show me where I'm accusing him of nit-picking in my defense. I'm accusing Cheesecake of nit-picking (along with Clarity, what a coincidence !) later in the thread. And even if I gave you the impression that I voted you by using nit-picking, my main problem was the way you cast your vote. You didn't provide the right explanations right away after all. Then, the slip that debears has found achieved to convince me. | ||
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Regarding the plurality lynch, it's too late now to discuss about the lynch mechanics. But I would like to tell you that we have now a 7-2 town/mafia ratio. If we have 3 lynch candidates instead of 2, our chances are way better to have a mafia player in the candidates and it's going to be quite difficult for his only partner to sway the vote. Regardless of your alignment, you can ask Hapa what he thinks about it. Regarding the setup and role discussion, I suspected debears of role-fishing and this is something I'm going to keep in mind. | ||
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The mafia team is going to be in a very uncomfortable position if one of its member (even more if the two of them) is at the risk of being lynched during D1. They are going to be very easy to spot if they try to sway the vote. That's why I think it's better for us to consider 3 lynch candidates. Anyway, the best thing to do for everybody is to vote their top scumread and we should start to think about who to lynch after this. So I think we should start to vote soon ^^ I'm not sold on Clarity yet by the way, I want him to bring more original content in the thread. As I have said, the daoud stuff was quite the most easy one. | ||
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Debears being very active, I'm sure I can enough things in his posts to find him scummy. It's just that I don't want to spend my time doing that right now. Active players and controversial players are not a good target for D1 and I'm planning to look at him after the lynch or even during D2 (if we are both alive of course). I think that we have spent a good amount of time during D1 discussing about me being scummy. It was the main topic for a while. So I really would like to focus on players that fly under the radar. Clarity is the best example in my opinion. What do you think of my "case" against him ? | ||
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I was giving you an advice and you reacted in a strange way. Please show me my post where I discredited your list. My main problem is that you didnt follow up Uyour list. Nor your | ||
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On November 04 2012 16:09 sylverfyre wrote: WTF your math. Random voting, We still have a 2/9 chance to lynch a scum, regardless of how you set up the lynchwagons. And games are generally balanced that if you go with pure random voting all game, mafia has a slight edge (otherwise the game gets degenerate if pure random lynching is an optimal strategy for town). OK Whoa. Wait a sec. You say it's too late to discuss lynch mechanics. Then, as I agree to disagree, you make another paragraph on lynch mechanics. WHY? Are you trying to lock me into a pointless discussion? Also, you susupected debears was rolefishing? When I read through that quote tree, I got the impression it was you that might be rolefishing, not him. I did mention that clarity was on my radar for being awfully quiet. And his more recent stuff isn't particularly pulling up any big reads. I found it noteworthy (and said as much earlier) but he's not a lynch target to me... yet. @ sylverfyre I'm just saying that we have way more chances to have a scum in a group of 3 possible lynch candidates than in a group of 2 possible lynch candidates. It's obvious but I've done the math for it to have better estimate on our chances and you should consider picking groups of random players if you want to calculate probabilities. By the way, I didn't see your post before posting mine. It's an interesting information for everyone and I want to share my view I'm going to approach this lynch. Debears mentioned the setup being imbalanced and introduced the medic in a weird way before everyone else. My question to the host about a possible framer was to show that the setup is not imbalanced rolewise. And you better give good reasons for voting against me like this because it is going to fire back at you. | ||
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A few people never answered your questions from the list. Why do you not push them as well ? | ||
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On November 04 2012 16:27 sylverfyre wrote: @Obzy - I made a pressure vote. Debears responded to it. We went back and forth at each other for a while. When we started to get into a loop of OMGUS, I was starting to feel like it was a waste of time and space that wasn't bringing a lot to the town, I let the vote drop. Scum love nothing more than when two townies are at each others throats constantly without looking at other people. I'm not going to random vote first half of day 1 and follow it through all the way to lynchtime unless my target makes some SERIOUS scumtells under pressure. While debears doesn't exactly look pristine, I need to look at (and scumhunt sniff) more than 1 person on day 1. @ sylver So are you saying that debears is a townie ? Slipping again ? I'm not sure what you want to say by "he doesn't exactly look pristine". Could you elaborate ? | ||
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On November 04 2012 16:22 Clarity_nl wrote: <snip> As for your concerns about me, I have already said that I will be making a case (or multiple) today. First day is information gathering. <snip> @ Clarity So you want to gather information but you don't push people to answer to the questions that you have asked them. I don't think that forgetting to answer some question is that alignment relevant. I find you quite passive in your information gathering so far by the way. | ||
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On November 04 2012 16:22 Clarity_nl wrote: <snip> But to summarize... Djo says it's a plurality lynch so we should split our attention. I show my thoughts on everyone because I get asked, and Djo says I should focus more on certain people. I focus on da0ud and he dissapears, so I wait rather than letting it go. The reason I got defensive was because I spent a while making that post, and you shit on it with a one liner. @ Clarity I didn't mean that we should individually split up our attention but that the whole town should consider more than 2 lynch candidates. I think that is better for us to focus on some players until we can have a better read on them. Maybe the best thing to do is to play like you want. If someone is disappearing, you should better cast your vote on him and move on. And if you are suspicious of me, I'm expecting some pressure from you and not from other players. Why do you trust them to do your job ? They could be mafia, don't they ? | ||
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On November 04 2012 17:08 Clarity_nl wrote: All the answers I got were sufficient. Hell, your answer had an entire case on sylver attached to it. Maybe I should be pushing people harder. I feel like there are plenty of people already doing that though. My top scrumreads at the time were you and Alsn, Alsn wasn't around at all and you were already being pushed by others. I was just reading, and as I said I will end up posting at least a solid case today, you can tell me if my information gathering has been weak at that point. @ Clarity Could we at least know who you are going to prepare your cases against ? I also would like to know who has not answered your question from your list yet. | ||
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I'm going to have to sleep before the deadline and I don't want to have to defend your case against me while waking up and catching the thread. Plus it's going to be likely that I need to decide my vote at this time so I would prefer to focus on analysis rather than defense at that time. I find it odd that you don't want to go after Cheese as well. He should be looking quite scummy in your eyes right now because he didn't answer your question. Also, if I want to sum up his contribution so far, he is just tunneling me after an OMGUSy FoS on me. | ||
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I'm not requesting you to make a case about Cheese. I was asking you your read about him, sort of... I'm surprised that you have nothing more against him than not having answering your question. I'll keep this in mind | ||
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On November 05 2012 00:42 da0ud wrote: I am a bit concerned that Djo living in Korea (so almost same timezone as I) has disappeared all afternoon. He is not 100% clean himself and has started lurking. It is now 1.40am in korea and knowing tomorrow is monday I doubt he will contribute till 4.30am. @ Djo : Are you sill arround or will you only be able to catch-up with the thread tomorrow morning right before lynch ? If things happen during the night in Asia, are you comfortable with keeping your vote on Clarity ? @ daoud I'm back, I was out with some friends. I'm not going to stay long though. I'm catching up with the thread but I have already a few things to say. @ sylverfyre I should not have brought again the plurality lynch again but I love math and I wanted to calculate some probabilities. I was not promoting a random vote at all. Could you please make me a list with the main concerns you have in my regards ? I'm not sure to understand exactly why you have your vote on me right now. @ Cheese I understand that you find me suspicious but I don't think you should looking to much in some sentences here and there but rather at my actions. That's why you are hitting a wall of brick: the arguments you present are not really relevant. You know the people I have focused today and why, you know the case I have made and the arguments I have brought. Please look at my actions and try to balance the townie motivations and the mafia motivations I could have to behave like this and see by yourself what makes more sense. | ||
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And why nobody has yet commented on the newest slip from sylver ? | ||
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