EPTBut yeah from the fact I was like nowhere knowing what was happening with the OP, etc. I think indeed putting me as VT is a safe assumption over blue.
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But yeah from the fact I was like nowhere knowing what was happening with the OP, etc. I think indeed putting me as VT is a safe assumption over blue. | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:22 Rad wrote: @da0ud I'm trying to find it, but did you see Obzy claim VT? Or were you just describing your own experiences? Seemed like you were pointing out that obzy is frustrated because he's VT with that story of yours. If so, I misread and thought it was obzy VT, and my Alsn plan goes out the window without the extra VT >.> I was implying for him. Trying to put myself his is VT shoes. His behaviour makes perfect sense. I felt like that in my two previous games. No experience, no major role to play => de-motivation. With a bit more experience you still find the fun even as VT. | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:34 Rad wrote: @da0ud Alright, forget my alsn plan. What's your backup plan if clarity flips town? It'll say nothing about alsn, or anyone really. If Clarity flips town, most likely I would go for Djodref. Would it make sense for scum Djodref to act the way he has ? not sure. If Clarity flips town, and we will scum Djo next day we will be 2v1 on D4. Could be a strategy of the scum team. And the one taking the less risks now is clearly Syvler. So my plan if Clarity flips town : Djodref then Sylver. | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:38 Rad wrote: Actually, my point on Alsn not being VT stands. What do you guys think about getting him to claim? Or do you disagree with my premise that Alsn isn't a VT? I put him more VT than you, clearly. So no I don't think he should role claim. Except if you want to keep the blue hunting yourself. | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:59 Djodref wrote: lol seriously daoud if clarity flips town I dont think I'm going to be alive on D3. But I like your enthusiasm ^^ I do hear you. And I think indeed if you are town as well, you won't go through the night. | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:40 sylverfyre wrote: No surprises here. Nothing he's said has absolved him. And I have no reason to doubt Djo's alignment (though I still reserve the right to doubt his strategy calls - as risky as it was to claim, it worked. Well. ##Vote Clarity Sorry I haven't been very active today. It's kinda my birthday and I had a really long day (I'm sure a few of you noticed the icon on me while server was on November 6) da0ud, are you saying I'm preferred based on WIFOM that rad is more associated with clarity, therefore it ISN'T Rad? I attacked clarity pretty much right after the lynch Day 1. @Sylver I agree it is a WIFOM but i feel like that currently. | ||
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On November 07 2012 15:05 Rad wrote: Huh so you think djo possibly fake claimed? I think clarity will flip town, so you're suggesting I should suspect djo right now... Seriously? O.o I can see you putting him more TOWN than me, but more VT? My story makes sense from a VT perspective, does it not? His quote doesn't make sense from a VT perspective. You confuse me da0ud. Sorry I meant town not VT. | ||
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On November 07 2012 15:08 Djodref wrote: Alsn has had quite a nice ”town slip“ when he reacted to fact that I had jailed him. This guy couldn't even read properly that I've jailed him for being mafia ^^ so I would say sylverfyre and Clarity scumteam ! Or Obzy is the best newbie I have ever seen  Exaclty what I think. I even think that he is 99.90% blue from his reaction to CC's claim. Much calmer and less condescending than scum Clarity | ||
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In this situation, can I say :"Clarity/sylver gg, i stop playing game is over." ?  | ||
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Finally a very good defense post. If what you say is correct (let see if someone claim Cop like you), then to me, it leaves Alsn as the other one reacting like you to the CC claim. I consider his reaction slightly townier than yours. But well, it would make him scum. I still believe Sylver would be the second one. I still believe whatever you claim, lynching you is the best source of information for town. Let me try some assumptions and I'll see if it works or not | ||
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If we lynch you and you a red : D3 we are 4v1 and I will go for Sylver If we lynch you are you are green : D3 we are 3v2 and it is LyLo. I will definitely go for Djodref. If he flips green then we lose and he will have killed town mostly by himself. If he flips red, we are 2v1 on D4, LyLo again and I will have to consider who Djo was trying to protect. | ||
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On November 07 2012 18:55 Djodref wrote: @ Clarity Thank you ! Right now, I know for sure that you are 100% scum. Nice fakeclaim by the way Unfortunately, I cannot use my trump card against you right now ;( but I'm going to explain to you why I knew you were lying about being blue when this game ends. But it's mainly based on the fact that it is less likely for a blue to ask your question to marv than for a VT. If all the VT here had doubts about you going ask the question to the host, I know that he is lying when he says he did this as a blue. Why can't you say why I knew he was lying about being blue now ? Please don't retain information. | ||
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On November 07 2012 18:59 Djodref wrote: By the way, you should not have said that you were roleblocked because you don't know it for sure. The thing that would have happened is that you got no result for your investigation I'm curious to see what Alsn is going to say when he comes back... Well if he was Cop and he cannot see if the person he wants to investigate is green or red, I think it is safe to assume he has been roleblocked.... | ||
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Let think know at the best action plans for our JK and Cop to find for sure who is the last scum buddy | ||
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 I know how good and invested Djo is in this game. He want to shine as the mastermind of it. He has barely slept over the past few days. I feel something fishy. Would there be any chance that Djo could have fakeclaimed as mafia RB in order to bully/buss his partner Clarity ? What I truly believe at the moment is : Obzy, me are VT Alsn is Cop Sylver looks really bad and if my assumption goes nowhere I will go after him on D3. Rad, there could still be a chance he would be scum but unlikely. Djo, mafia RB : unlikely as well - BUT I KNOW HE IS CAPABLE OF IT ! | ||
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On November 08 2012 15:57 Rad wrote: @da0ud We have no other blue claim. Isn't it pretty unlikely that there's only 1 blue in this game? I think it is possible. Usual games are 13 players 10v3 so 23% of scum people On this one 7v2 hence only 22% of scum, which is a slight hedge to town. Only one power role for mafia. I would imagine that 2 power roles for town would get the game even more imbalanced. On top of that, Djodref is already diverting attention on Alsn saying he is the most usefull town right now. I don't disagree, but if I were mafia I would not let Djo alive because he is the sharpest player right now. He can write many cases, etc. If he is still alive tomorrow, I think there is something fishy. | ||
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On November 08 2012 16:13 Obzy wrote: da0ud - it's POSSIBLE, but incredibly unlikely. I think that only having a single blue would be somewhat imbalanced in favor of mafia, I also think it wouldn't be very suitable for a newbie game as having no roles doesn't really help town learn much. Just by the numbers, I think we have two blues, and Djo is one of them. I recommend asking our gracious coaches about it if you have doubts (specifically: "How can/Why should I believe Djo's claim?" The coaches are excellent.), I think that asking the rest of us to look at and doubt Djo is truly not worth your time, though. Scum is 100% Sylv or Rad. Rad - I respect your play. I know I'm town. Taking this into account, I wouldn't put it past you to play so excellently as to be able to speak your above piece in a convincing manner ^^ Although I'm a bit too lazy to do this myself if prompted; if you feel like you are going to be lynched and your lynch would cause town to lose, your only real choice is to convince Me that da0ud is the last scum. Here's why: Presumably, scum is going to kill a blue tonight. Tomorrow, Sylv will be lynched. Assuming Sylv is not scum, the remaining blue will die the next night. This will leave me, you, and da0ud. I'm not scum, so if you're trying to make a case on me at that point and you are town, we lose. da0ud is going to vote you. I am going to vote you. The only thing that would change this situation is if da0ud was the scum, and you pull together a nail-biting case that absolutely and completely convinces me. I don't expect you to do it, because I think da0ud is 100% town. However, if you are the last scum, that's your only choice. (Now that I've brought it up, it really isn't a choice ^_^ We'll see it coming.) If you don't think da0ud is scum, and you yourself are not scum, then Sylv is scum. The end. There really is no reason thinking further unless you want to entertain the possibility that I am lying, or that our blues are lying - these may be fun mental exercises, but they will not lead to a plausible end-game scenario worth thinking about. One thing for sure, Obzy. If I am alive last with you, I will vote with you against the third one. | ||
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On November 08 2012 16:28 Djodref wrote: @ daoud Should we start this conversation again when we are both in lylo together ? Can I recommend you to go through Clarity's filter and make an analysis of his interactions with the other players ? Yes, Djo, I will do so. This is just my usual paranoia taking over at the moment :D | ||
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