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On November 08 2012 16:13 Obzy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +da0ud - it's POSSIBLE, but incredibly unlikely. I think that only having a single blue would be somewhat imbalanced in favor of mafia, I also think it wouldn't be very suitable for a newbie game as having no roles doesn't really help town learn much. Just by the numbers, I think we have two blues, and Djo is one of them. I recommend asking our gracious coaches about it if you have doubts (specifically: "How can/Why should I believe Djo's claim?" The coaches are excellent.), I think that asking the rest of us to look at and doubt Djo is truly not worth your time, though. Scum is 100% Sylv or Rad.  Rad - I respect your play. I know I'm town. Taking this into account, I wouldn't put it past you to play so excellently as to be able to speak your above piece in a convincing manner ^^ Although I'm a bit too lazy to do this myself if prompted; if you feel like you are going to be lynched and your lynch would cause town to lose, your only real choice is to convince Me that da0ud is the last scum. Here's why: Presumably, scum is going to kill a blue tonight. Tomorrow, Sylv will be lynched. Assuming Sylv is not scum, the remaining blue will die the next night. This will leave me, you, and da0ud. I'm not scum, so if you're trying to make a case on me at that point and you are town, we lose. da0ud is going to vote you. I am going to vote you. The only thing that would change this situation is if da0ud was the scum, and you pull together a nail-biting case that absolutely and completely convinces me. I don't expect you to do it, because I think da0ud is 100% town. However, if you are the last scum, that's your only choice. (Now that I've brought it up, it really isn't a choice ^_^ We'll see it coming.) + Show Spoiler +
If you don't think da0ud is scum, and you yourself are not scum, then Sylv is scum. The end. There really is no reason thinking further unless you want to entertain the possibility that I am lying, or that our blues are lying - these may be fun mental exercises, but they will not lead to a plausible end-game scenario worth thinking about.
@ Obzy
Could I ask you why you are so confident on your read on daoud ?
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@ sylverfyre
Good luck to find a reasonable target for a mislynch now 
I hope everyone is able to see how apathetic your play is when everybody else is sympathetic ^^
@ daoud
I don't even need to write my case. All townies have shown good sign of honesty and sincerity, even if there is some lack of scumhunt. Given the flavor, I think it is ok for us to keep jerking off like this
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GG sylverfyre !
I think the game was sealed over the Cheese incident. I went lazy at the end but the association between Clarity and you was quite strong and it was the main reason for me to be so crazy about you. The attempts to soft-defend and to put distance between you are not so bad but there was no follow-up nor back-up for some posts. Your bus of Clarity was a little obvious because you showed absolutely no doubt of him being scum.
On the opposite of the other game, town was quite active and post their heart out of the game. It was a very emotional game so we didn't need so much rational analysis.
I'm looking forward to discuss this game even more after the end post
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On November 09 2012 00:22 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 00:02 sylverfyre wrote:
My night 1 action was to roleblock Alsn. (Had you pegged!) We killed debears mostly because of activity. Woah. I bet that was because of my statements around the lynch? Why does everyone hate me. 
@ Alsn
I thought that your Cheesecake case was a way out for your scumbuddy
It was the first time to see you post a case in a condensed post after only 2 hours
On top of that, there was some serious double standards involved.
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Cheesecake was so funny during the end of D1, reconsidering...
On November 05 2012 06:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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I'm not going to push a Djo lynch again, mainly because arguing with him is a game of cat and mouse. I think neutrality is going to become an integral part of my play D1 anyway. Taking a huge stance this early just doesn't seem all that feasible for me, because a lot of my arguments are "nit-picky" as Djo calls it. Once the first person flips, things become a lot more clear to me based on context and I can go from there.
At this point, the only reason I'd vote for Debears is to get concrete info, which isn't a good thing. I'd vote Clarity because his Debears counter-case is really OMGUSy and he seems like the person to actively lurk.
Brb dinner. Also, Regular Fapper.
I'm just going to be neutral, D1 is random anyway. By the way I'm Regular Fapper !
On November 05 2012 08:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Everyone seems so concerned on why I haven't been pushing my case on Djo. You know why? Because everything that I find scummy about him, people attribute to his "Djo" attitude and the way he words things. I made a ton of mistakes last game that I find him doing this game. I point them out, but the entire thread is just like "You know, it's just Djo being Djo". Incredibly frustrating. I dropped my case and accusing him of scummy behavior because I actually didn't feel like hitting my head into this brick wall anymore. So, I decided to go back to a neutral stance and look at what other people were doing.
His 180 on pressure voting is something that I found to be damning as hell (Alsn, I think you agree on this?) He explains this by giving some sorry excuse about the difference between suspicion votes and pressure votes and blah blah blah. You know what? Fuck that. Djo is scummy as hell to me. Was last game(regardless of me being scum), is this game. I don't give two shits how he handles the language or his defense. The only reason he gets away with a ton of his posts is because his meta is cheerfully innocent.
/Engageconfirmationbiasgoggles
##Vote: Djodref
Also, Regular Fapper right here. Just fappin' away.
Oh shit ! There is a case against me ? Let's take some stance, quickly ! And guys, didn't you see that I was Regular Fapper ?
On November 05 2012 08:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Confirmed clarity as VT btw.
LOL
/shit storm ensues...
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Regarding Clarity
I think he has made some small mistakes during D1 which have irked me a little
- The list of null reads with no actual follow-up, his defensive reaction when he has been called for it at first
- His interactions with me, especially when he backed off and chose to not post his case when I was proposing myself as a lynch candidate. This one was huge for me because I knew my alignment. He was really not consistent in his confidence on his read on me
- Blending in and taking the back seat. I found that no pushing by himself in order to not clutter the thread was a bad excuse
After the Cheese incident, I've found out that his interaction with Cheese was quite weird as well and I couldn't believe that he had PMed marv way before about the flavor because nobody else has done it. And him hitting at being blue was the icing on the cake.
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Thanks everybody for playing and hosting !
There was a little imbalanced and we were lucky to be able to use it as our advantage ^^
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lol, I think that kind of breadcrumbs are totally ok
Souel Gardien Hostel was terrible in comparison to yours... I was hoping that daoud would not catch it at first glance.
@ Clarity
The extra info was the fact that we blue did not know about the VT flavor until Cheese claim where we received a PM from marv. Fortunately for me, I was catching up at that time, so I couldn't do the kind of mistake that you did.
So I knew you could not be blue at all when you were saying that you asked your question to marv when you noticed that the VT flavor was different in the OP and in your PM. I was already suspicious of you and the hints you were giving for a blue Clarity felt very wrong for me. I knew I could confirm you as scum if you claimed and I think I would have backed off a little if you were admitting to be a VT.
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I would like to thanks Hapa as well because I have been using his help a lot.
At some point during D1 when I was reading the thread while Rad and debears had their pissing contest about the fluff or not fluff ordeal, I thought that I should be looking about the players that I didn't notice. And that how I found Clarity ^^
Hapa encouraged me to have this mindset so I thought I was on the good tracks.
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@ Clarity
I think that if you were really sick you should totally have used it as an excuse. The best way to play scum is to use your own emotions to look sincere in your posting and in the story you are telling everybody about (it is always the story of this bad town player with awful reads).
In newbies, people tend to get very emotional
Obzy "defeated" post was just the best way for him to look town. You could also feel his relief after that when people trusted him more. First game is always very frustrating ^^
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On November 09 2012 01:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
Djo, You underestimate how easy it is to fake emotions as scum.
Especially if they're half true anyways.
Don't worry about this, I've been using it quite well in my Looney Game
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On November 09 2012 01:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah I hope I didn't insult you with that Obzy =] I hope you end up playing again sometime!
Same goes for Rad. Don't get discouraged that you felt I wasn't scum, your arguments make sense. It's just with the combination of not contributing yourself (you like to sit back and figure stuff out, I get that, I really do!) it might look dodgy.
Djo, I felt like saying I'm ill, true or not, will just seem like a convenient excuse. At least when others do this I always question it.
@ Clarity
I'm not sure...
People are not only rational, did you notice how Obzy got almost confirmed town with his post ?
I don't think that's something you should use too much but if you are apathetic, you can also be pinned for it.
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Oh really ? It was just the icing on the cake for me
And the bad case from Clarity and Obzy counter-case was just sooo good
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On November 09 2012 03:07 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 02:53 Djodref wrote:Oh really ? It was just the icing on the cake for me And the bad case from Clarity and Obzy counter-case was just sooo good Could you explain why it was a bad case? :p
@ Clarity
I don't know, confirmation bias ?
On a serious note, you did not show how his actions were mafia motivated. Some part of your case were also twisting his posts to serve your purpose. And the formatting did not help to get your main points against him.
But mostly confirmation bias...
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On November 09 2012 03:05 debears wrote:
Well game over
Gg guys I'm late to the party
gg debears ! All the glory for long filters belongs to me !
I think I should have jailed you but I was really afraid to get NKed myself (especially with how much I was talking about the blues during N1) so I chose to take the risk not to protect and try to target the mafia instead. So I went after Alsn, him being an obvious scumbuddy for Clarity.
By the way, I found both sylvefyre and Clarity before you
But I admit that your cases were better, especially sylver one...
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Yeah, I thought it could have been better as "Seoul Gardien Hotel" but it didn't look like a natural typo
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And thanks for the analysis everyone !
But I think we give too much a town advice and not enough of mafia advice ^^
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Ok, I see
I'm not sure if I could personally keep up with such activity the next time I roll mafia. I'll try my best !
Do you guys have ever tried to play without checking your role PM at all ? I was tempted to do it for D1...
This was my last newbie by the way so I'm going to miss coaches and newbs
I'm joining the "Cold War Africa Mafia" game from Shady Sands and I hope some of you can also join this one !
Clarity has already in ^^
Imma tunnel him again with bad arguments again but as a mafia player (I hope) this time
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And you discover all the insults in the scum QT ^^
I was thinking at this strategy only for D1 though, but I don't think I could resist to open the PM anyway.
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