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Assuming Da0ud is actually from Hong Kong, it's 5AM his time, and his last post was at ~00:31, about six hours ago. All his posts were ~19-pre-1ish, so a six hour period. So like, 5PM-11PM, with occasional posting.
@debears
He's the most inactive right now, I agree. But I don't think he'll be active again for at least a few hours. I want to see how he acts over the next day before I can get a good read on him.
@CC, regarding Rad (and Clar)
Rad is playing the way that I want to play. That I'm trying to play. If I thought he was scum, then I am fucking awful at this game, because it's a playstyle I want to emulate, and trying to emulate scum as town would be absolutely moronic. Looking at what he's posted so far, I can't really imagine voting for him unless something very big were to come up (like an impossible claim, lol).
@Alsn
I think Alsn is town. I've already pointed out a few times how I think Rad is town, and these two posts:
On November 04 2012 06:02 Rad wrote:
@Cheese
Djo's english comes across as awkward like that. I can't see it as a scum tell. Next time you're interested in pointing out something like this, you should do it rather than letting someone else do it and then agreeing with them.
On November 04 2012 06:02 Alsn wrote:
Cheese, what's so important about that distinction? A townie has just as much of an interest in making sure people think they have town's best interest at heart as scum has in trying to emulate that. At most it feels like a null tell to me.
The fact that he worded it awkwardly may be somewhat scummy(if you're supposing that he worded it awkwardly because he thinks about his actions differently than a townie would) but other than that the distinction seems like a pointless one to me.
They say the same thing, they happened at the exact same time. Alsn has a similar mindset to Rad, and I don't think Rad is scum.
Honestly, my gut feeling right now is that CC is scummy, but I don't really know why. It was just my gut reaction yesterday. I'm going to go read through his filter, but I'm sort of worried about confirmation bias lol. -_- Nobody else seems to really be worried about him, and I don't see why, so I may be on the wrong track.
(Alsn, Clar, Debears, Rad [And me  ] town) (Djo is scummy seeming but it may just be his typing-style and mastery of language, Sylver is scummy as per my previous post, da0ud is afk) - as a summary of my current thoughts. I'll start looking at CC now ._.
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@CC
Almost every single one of your posts has focused on Djo, ever since he accused you. Encouraging discussion on Djo, directly responding to Djo, answering other people here and there and bringing discussion back to Djo.
Why haven't you voted him?
Nobody seems to have talked about CC in depth besides Djo, and both of them are almost exclusively addressing each other. My problem with CC is that he seems content to lurk and poke holes in Djo's arguments, while not really commenting outside of that.
Mr. Cheese~
I would like to see your opinions on everybody in this game so far, not just Djo. I don't know whether or not to think you're town or scum, but I've had an unsettling suspicion since early on, and I want to see you stop semi-lurking. You're active, you're able to contribute meaningfully, and people apparently heed your words because nobody has remotely looked into you besides Djo, who is scummy and receiving flak for it.
I'm going to take a break from actively reading and re-reading the thread to go play some games and enjoy the weekend - if somebody has any questions for me, I should be checking the thread periodically and will be able to answer, but I'm not going to do any more filter reading until late this evening, prob ~10-11 PST.
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On November 04 2012 07:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm semi-lurking, but I'm active. Holy contradiction batman.
To clarify-
I meant that you're clearly reading the thread actively, but you hadn't really had a tendency to comment on anything except things involving Djo. Active as in, at your computer. Semi-lurking as in, posting enough to not be called out for lurking. It was a bad word choice though.
Thanks for the reads, that's what I was looking for.
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On November 04 2012 07:59 sylverfyre wrote:
@Obzy Why am I scummy to you? Do you have your own arguments, or are you sheeping onto debears? You've said three times that I look bad, but you haven't given any of your own reasons. Looks like sheeping to me.
Do you really want me to go through the whole thread and pick out all the times that debears chain-posted oneliners? I think it's a waste of time. He's done it, he's not really doing it anymore, I'm satisfied as far as that is concerned. If you're so interested, look for yourself.
Shit, if I'm your only scum read, why aren't you putting pressure on me?
You entered the thread and immediately voted debears with reasoning that I wasn't sure about (disagreement with the parts of the filter that were meaningless fluff), and later unvoted upon being challenged - given how resistant a lot of people are to voting, unvoting due to pressure seemed out of place. I'm wary of putting pressure on you because I don't want to be wrong while feeling uncertain. If I'm going to be wrong, I want to at least have conviction in my reads, instead of guessing. If I thought that you were scum, rather than looking scummy and worth thinking about, I would have voted.
If that makes any sense :0
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Rad's shift in response to debears' post surprised me a bit, when I looked at it this morning. I do think it seemed out of place compared to his original response.
On November 04 2012 08:32 debears wrote:
180 on me - His 180 and sudden aggressiveness on my obsy post doesn't seem like it was his idea. It feels coached/coming from his partner (this point I would really like some input on from everyone) and it most definitely doesn't feel like a genuine change of suspicion about me
Even if it was coached, although I thought we weren't supposed to discuss that sort of thing, what would make it mafia coached? It could be town-coached too. The 180 felt strange, but I don't think it implies mafia.
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If I had to pick two people right this instant because the lynch is happening in two minutes, I would at least pick da0ud due to the fact he hasn't said much. I'm expecting him to say more over the next 23? ish hours, though. I want to see what he thinks before talking about lynching a lurker.
(That isn't the case, luckily.)
I've been suspicious of Sylver because he backed off under pressure. Why? If he wasn't willing to follow through, why did he vote? I'm worried about voting at all because I don't want to get it wrong and feel dumb. With so little conviction behind an accusation, it seemed like he was voting for you because it wouldn't be exceptionally controversial... if that makes sense? I may be misremembering, I don't want to reread the thread yet again at this moment lol >.<; Just was my gut feeling upon reading his original post.
I've got misgivings with regards to Mr. CC, but he's answered that, somewhat.
I think the argument between Rad and you(db) is a little... Hm. I don't know what to think of it, since it's largely revolving around a set of questions aimed towards myself. It's hard to think about it impartially, and it doesn't help that I think you're both town. Sort of unexpected for you two to argue.
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Hey guys -
I'm currently reading from my last post made to the end of the thread after having just got up, but I'm going to go pick up breakfast at a restaurant, so I won't actually be posting for another hour or so. (Sorry for not getting on last night, I started playing a wii game and realized how much of an insane time-sink mafia has been on my weekend, I just went straight to bed rather than catch up.)
Is the deadline now 4PM pacific time due to daylight savings coming into effect today? Or is it unchanged at 5PM? Sorry for the stupid question lol.
Honestly, from where I'm at right now (a quick check reveals it's page 31), Djo does not look as scummy as he did before, I think his contributions look fairly strong. Da0ud's visibility also makes me feel better about him. I haven't seen CC yet, but I wasn't around either, so it doesn't change my opinion on him. Clarity looks significantly scummier than I had originally read, I really like Djo's case on him. When he asked each person pertinent[is this the right word] questions about their behavior, I thought it was a quite solid post - but as Djo pointed out, a lot of those points... weren't really followed up on. If there wasn't anything drawn from them, why bother posting them? (I haven't read the last several pages, so maybe I'll quickly learn :x)
Sylver - your answer to me earlier makes sense, assuming you're (or were) feeling that debears was town.
I will try to be here for the remainder of the day once I get back from breakfast.
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I caught up - ugh.
Alsn, Rad, Dao, Djo, Debears- I think are town.
...I get unsettling feelings about CC but, once again, nobody seems to share them. So I'll drop them. It's not like I'm actually making a case or anything anyways, just a bad feeling;... I'm probably just being stupid.
Out of Clar, Sylv, at least one of these two is scum IMO based on the arguments in the thread which I don't want to quote, my own suspicions, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if both were scum.
There's a lot of suspicion on debears - who the hell is his scumbuddy if he's scum? I don't think it's Djo, it could be Mr. CC but nobody is bringing that up so that's an illegitimate point imho, I just don't see it. I don't like Clarity's case on him, Sylv's case looks to play off of the fact that both Djo and Deb look scummy - but I don't think they're scum. It would make sense for them to try to both target the same person, especially going off of Alsn's case, it's already a third of the votes.
One thing that has been brought up a couple times is debears' attack on me. I don't see how that makes him scum. Honestly, to go on a side-tangent a little bit, I feel like I'm not playing well and this game has been taxing trying to keep up. I do not think this because of debears' post though, I think it because I'm analyzing myself and trying to think about the way people are playing relative to the way I am playing. The fact that debears made a post against me is one of the primary things that make me think he IS town.
If he was mafia, he would point out how I'm sort of bad. That I haven't posted a proper scumhunting case, only my reads. I would be an easy target for a mislynch IMO, why would he not do so? The only reason I can think of is because he's dismissed me as scum based on my responses. Blah blah blah. I'm losing my train of thought and want to go do something else so I'll just say that I don't think he's scum and I don't want to vote him.
If I'm going to narrow it down between Clar and Sylv: Clar looked a lot like Rad at first so I was fairly certain he is town - but I didn't like his absense, his lack of follow-through on the enforced questions to answer, and the cases from Djo and Deb are far more convincing than my concerns with Sylv early game.
##Vote Clarity_nl
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On November 05 2012 07:26 Alsn wrote:
Anyone going to even consider Cheese or at least point out if I'm wrong about something? If you truly think Clarity was just blending in, then why should Cheese be excused? Clarity is at least pushing someone he has stated was his top scum read. Cheese just wants to wait for more information without even having to commit to a vote? Come on.
I've been worried about Cheese, but nobody has seemed interested in grilling him. I don't really feel comfortable questioning people rapidly, my posting is too slow to keep up with a forum argument. I want to know who the two people he thinks are scum, and any neutral reads. (Honestly, I like lists, so I want him to list his town reads, too. But he's hinted at an aversion to lists so
With regards to Clar's post just now - "I don't think "staying neutral" is a scum tell on D1" - whyever not? You should be showing that you are town through your actions. Staying neutral is ridiculous. If you don't have an opinion whatsoever, you should have a reason for it- like, "My house caught fire and my dog died and I was kidnapped by terrorists and thusly I haven't been reading the thread at all so I have no opinions." If your opinion is that every single person looks towny or scummy, cool. Whatever. Judgment problems maybe, but at least it's honest. Not wanting to hold an opinion[being neutral] is what doesn't make any sense, unless you're afraid of being wrong. CC hasn't had anybody go after him, he's had a fairly soft impact on the direction that the thread has been taking. Why would he fear being wrong? He wouldn't necessarily be the one who was blamed.
IMO, anyways. I don't feel comfortable voting CC today because nobody has really gone after him so it would feel very sudden, but I really would like to see people looking at him a bit more. He should appreciate that too, because it gives him a chance to open up and not look so "neutral"; and also prevents him from "avoiding attention and skating by".
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Honestly, the scumteam looks like Clar Cheese atm. I noticed Cheese's original claim, but figured: If only VT know about it, it makes Cheese safe. But with Marv's comments, it looks like everybody knew, regardless of alignment. Cheese had been sketchy, people were starting to ask about him (a little bit - Alsn's comments specifically, when I was last reading) and Clarity looked like the primary lynch target.
On November 05 2012 08:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Confirmed clarity as VT btw.
CC wasn't specific in its meaning until db commented, and through that interaction, Clar immediately entered. The timing is just too awful imo, given how vague of a move it was. Marv's explanation may not have been expected by them. I've read up to debears' post saying "Ugh...." and will read onwards from that, the thread really jumped in the past 30 minutes-hour or so.
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On November 05 2012 09:23 Rad wrote:
@obzy
You around? Going to reconsider your vote or are you happy with it?
I could, I think Cheese is also scum. Would you like me to place my vote there to consolidate instead of on Clarity? I intend to vote for both of them on day 1 and day 2 unless something changes. Sylver was the only other scummy looking individual to me, I was voting on Clar, and now CC emerges as a candidate. It looks fairly open-and-shut to me. I will not consider a vote on someone besides those two at this moment.
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On November 05 2012 09:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I seriously thought that way of claiming would get me confirmed town because nobody else knew the flavor for VT besides VT's xD. And I figured, as a confirmed town, that I'd get the NK because confirmed towns are a good target over going for a longshot blue snipe. Hey, Debears got what I was going for right away.
I'll be afk until the green flip.
That's absurd.
##Unvote
##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
I will still vote for Clarity tomorrow.
I think that your point here is ridiculous. Giving up is incredibly anti-town, and poor behavior. Up until right now, I have been stressed out and sort of unhappy about how much time this takes, but I won't ask for a replacement, I won't get modkilled, and I won't try to get myself mislynched just to avoid playing. Giving up, if you were town, is incredibly foul.
You're not though, so it's okay.
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Rad and da0ud(if you're here o_o)
Please vote. Getting modkilled would be such a let-down.
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On November 05 2012 09:40 Rad wrote:
Not going to get modkilled, Obzy.
Alright ^^ It would just be such a damn shame if da0ud and yourself were modkilled for something like that. It's the sort of thing that would slip my mind if I hadn't been worrying about it.
On November 05 2012 09:39 da0ud wrote:
He looks like town giving up now.
If he was town, he shouldn't give up. If he was town, he shouldn't've remained neutral. If he was town, he wouldn't've tried to point out, as Rad noticed, that he was specifically VT, when he wasn't going to be lynched today ANYWAYS. I think that it was entirely an attempt to try to get votes off of Clarity. (Which worked, if only for a single day.)
Alternatively, if he flipped green, then Clarity was trying to take advantage of the sudden confusion to get himself off. So even if he's green, I still think Clarity is scum.
But he is not green. [IMO]
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On November 05 2012 09:50 Rad wrote:
If cheese was scum, why the hell would he have attempted that? He'd know at least scum got the VT PM, and could assume then that blues also got the VT PM. The only scum motivation there I can see is to try to out the VTs, but that seems like an awful trade (trade his own scum life for possible blue knowledge). He had no pressure on him. Seems like a stupid move, not a scum move to me now.
That only makes sense if debears is his scum partner. I think he did so because he was attempting to remove pressure on Clarity, as I've already stated. (And, as I've said many times - I don't think debears is scum.)
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Mr. Cheesecake - if you were green, you needed to vote Clarity immediately. If you are green, and things come down to the last minute like this, your goal is to not be lynched. You alone know that you're green for certain, and lynching you means lynching a town member. You should be stacking on whoever has the second most votes, not bouncing around. Even if they are also town, you KNOW that you are town. It's a sacrifice that would have to be made. If you were green, you'd stay on debears and try to get everybody to switch. Switching off of him, again, is foolish.
If everybody wants to switch to Clarity, that's fine with me, but then I would vote for Cheese the next day, unless a verified cop could check him _AND_ Clarity flipped scum. If that makes sense
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Well, not a verified cop. Stupid word choice. You can't verify a cop without days passing anyways. ^^
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I won't vote debears over CC. Is the day not over? lol do we have another hour or something? ^^;
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Sigh.
In the future, CC, try acting town-like instead of flavor-claiming in the last hour.
GG
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On November 05 2012 10:26 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:13 Obzy wrote:
Sigh.
In the future, CC, try acting town-like instead of flavor-claiming in the last hour.
GG @Obzy In my first game, when I voted off a fellow townie, I was devastated. You don't seem too worried. Do you really think it's appropriate to lecture cheese after his lynch? He made 1 major fuck up, and now that we know he's town, his story makes sense. That's all that got him lynched and didn't really have much to do with the rest of his game.
What is there to be worried about? It sucks. I'm disappointed. I wish he had switched on to Clarity immediately, it would've been a more strategic move. His major fuck-up is unfortunate, but if he hadn't been scummy seeming, I don't think it would've spelled such a fast switch. I've been worried about him for awhile, so the sudden pressure felt like "Ah, at least, everybody is starting to see what I've seen all along."
I still intend to vote for Clarity on Wednesday unless things change; I'm not sure what else there is to say about Mr. Cheesecake. If I could undo his lynch with knowledge of the future, I'd do it, but I'm not going to let it ruin my interest in this game and quit because we mislynched.
...All that said, my post looks like I'm kicking him while he's down. Sorry to him. I didn't mean for it to sound so harsh.
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