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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 11:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: From this post onward, nobody is allowed to discuss policy lynching. @ Cheese I didn't see this post before posting mine. And I still think I have a good point and I'm going to discuss it if I feel like it  | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 11:42 debears wrote: I want to talk about you and your concentration on policy that is unwarranted. Furthermore you seem like you really don't want to address me @ debears I don't see your posts while I'm writing mine. I'm going to use another tab from now on. I don't like the policy and I started this argument with Rad. I think we are close to finish this discussion but I want to make sure that our positions are clear to each other and everyone else. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mafia usually wear hats. He's so adamant that he most certainly does NOT wear a hat. Therefore, scumtell. @ Cheesecake Please refrain from joking when talking about scumtells. It's confusing. FoS Cheese | ||
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Djodref
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I agree that he was making a joke but please consider the motivations for it. Town motivations I don't see town motivations for making a joke about a scumtell Mafia motivations Creates confusion and disturbs the thread. Allows to influence our read on debears while looking clean | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 12:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: The logic is strong with this one. @ Cheese I was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 12:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: You also neglect to realize that my joke was in a RESPONSE to his joke. (I don't wear hats). You're really trying to dig where there is nothing. @ Cheese Ok, you had motivations for doing this joke but it doesn't really help town while it could be done with mafia motivation. And, at least, I'm trying to dig something. Would you prefer me to discuss how we should use plurality lynch ? | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 11:54 debears wrote: Yeah. Definitely unwarranted fos FOS Djo 1) he was joking 2) it was obvious he was joking 3) it wasnt confusing @ debears So, it's ok for you to be aggressive in the early game but it's not ok for me ? Would you say that joking about scumtells is ok ? | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 12:15 debears wrote: Dig something up? Why? Because you have nothing to actually accuse people with since you're scum? I've clearly explained the mafia motivations I've found for his joke. I'm far to be able to be certain of Cheese alignment but he is leaning slightly scummy right now, hence the FoS. It's also a warning for him to not joke about scum tells in the future. I find you very jumpy and very prompt to call me scum. Are you seriously that sure of my alignment this early in the game ? Why so aggressive ? Could you explain me your motivations ? | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 12:17 Rad wrote: @debears I don't remember too many jokes from cheese throughout last game. Just pregame. Oh, and his "Sandy" response to the hurricane question. Anyway, it doesn't matter, I get a null read from his joke. @djo Why are you bringing up the idea of a discussion on plurality lynch? That's not even in our control, is it? Host said plurality, so it's plurality, end of story, unless I'm missing something? @ Rad It was sarcastic. I wanted us to discuss how we should use the mechanics of the plurality lynch at our advantage in this game but I think that the time for discussing this king of thing is over. I wanted Cheesecake to understand, if he is town, that I could also spark some discussion with this FoS. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 12:21 debears wrote: He did joke in game. I can't quote on my phone. Here are some from memory "Holy meta argument batbears" "A wild djo appears" "Lurkerception" "Why djodref is scum : a compilation of quotes by mr. Cheesecake" @ debears You just have showed that he was using jokes when they were serving his scum agenda. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 12:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: There is no reason to tell us that you were reading the thread. We should know you are. This is the exact thing that Nack picked up about my scumplay last game. "This game is serious business" It's a couple hours into the first day, and most of the thread isn't even around. You're really trying to come off as town by plucking this insignificant little fact that everyone else giggled about and passed on by. And - mafia motivation for making a joke? We should get some George Carlins as scum if there is mafia motivation for making someone snicker a little. Also: My humor was mainly kept to the QT last game. Only a few stupid things in the thread were let through. /Engagecheesecakeseriousmode @ Cheese Your joke didn't pose any problem for me the first time (same for everyone I suppose) but I found it weird the second time I past through it. I have no problems with jokes and I'm making some myself. They are a null tell in general. But joking about scum tells is not really acceptable in my opinion and I've explained the possible mafia motivations I've seen behind it. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 12:29 Djodref wrote: I bet you were not comfortable while posting your case so you added this little touch to free up your guilty conscience. @ debears You just have showed that he was using jokes when they were serving his scum agenda. @ Cheese Please find my comments in bold font in the quote. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 12:38 debears wrote: So first you say his jokes last game served a scum agenda, which means they are scummy.. now you say jokes are a null tell, unless they are specifically joking about scumtells. Riddle me this. Why havent you fosed me for my joke fos on cheese in the beginning? I didn't like this one as well but I have noticed that you didn't use bold font so it guessed it was not a serious one. It was your reaction to marv flavor also. Jokes are in general a null tell but some of them can serve a mafia agenda. Please look again at my comments regarding your quotes from Cheese. | ||
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Djodref
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The difference for me is also in the follow-up. Maybe both of your jokes were not serious but Cheese followed his joke by attacking you over semantics (the "he called me a liar" thing). | ||
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Djodref
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I'm pretty sure that the following quote was totally serving your mafia agenda in the last game. But I guess I should better trust you because I don't really see why you should be dishonest right now about it. On October 29 2012 13:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Holy meta argument Batbears. Are you saying that Dandel under pressure is basically = Kush in terms of meta? Let's take a look at the second one On October 28 2012 09:20 Rad wrote: Djo NOW YOU SHOW UP? On October 28 2012 09:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: A wild Djo appears? I don't know if you have seen Rad post or not before posting yours but I really felt that you were both accusing me of active lurking. Why the lolwut by the way ? What did you not understand in my comment ? | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 12:56 Clarity_nl wrote: I agree with you. The joking is a null tell and we should note it and move on, that was the point of my post. I'm actually more interested why djo talking about the fact that it's a plurality lynch, he never actually talked about it, he just mentioned it. What of it, Djodref? @ Clarity Please check my opening post again. The poor format made it not easy to read and follow but I was already talking about plurality lynch here. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 12:48 debears wrote: Also answer my very important question to you @ debears Did I answer your question ? I'm not sure which one you were talking about. I guessed it was the one about "why cheese and not me?" I need to go to attend a wedding at Souel Gardien Hoteal soon so I would like to know you have more questions. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ Clarity Exactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 13:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Djo The second part of the first quote isn't a joke. It's an analogy. Therefore it has nothing to do with anything. The second quote: Pokemon reference, it means I think of you as a pokemon. Pokemon are innocent and cute; I'm not casting aspersions on you in the least. Yes, @obsQT I just mentioned pokemon. We could go with this WIFOM crap all day. These "jokes" means absolutely nothing. Are we seriously still talking about a failboat joke? Stop this incessant attempt to tunnel me--it bears no weight at all because it is probably one of the most subjective things one could possibly focus on. Especially since it's coming from another game entirely. I declare this useless argument over *gavel slam*. @ Cheese I'll stop tunneling you when I'm satisfied with your answers. Why do you want us to stop discussing ? This discussion has derived from its original point to go something quite useless, I agree. My point is that you could have used these jokes to make me look bad. I know this was a pokemon reference but I think "a wild Djo appears" was implying active lurking, especially in the context of the thread, rather than implying that I was innocent as a pokemon. My point is that jokes can be used by mafia to cast suspicion on a player without looking like you are doing it. It's a great tool used this way. | ||
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Djodref
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On November 03 2012 13:22 debears wrote: seriously.....why are we having to explain this? 1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy @ debears My point is that it would benefit us to consider more than 2 candidates for the lynch. Anyway it's too late to discuss about it now, I was just answering Clarity's question about it. By the way it's not policy, it's lynch mechanics  | ||
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