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On November 03 2012 11:30 Blazinghand wrote: Well, since it's just the two of us, alone, in here, we should talk. With gonzaw dead I'm thinking about our options for the lynch today. I'm still liking my case on Adam a bit, but now that gonzaw, is, erm, gon, we can draw an associative tell with his voting pattern on Mementoss, PARTICULARY this post: Whose sole purpose was to make sure Mementoss did not get lynched. I know I cut Mementoss some slack on his questionable Crossfire vote, but this new context brings me to believe he's scum. ##vote Mementoss To be fair, that unvote/vote did literally nothing other than record his vote again, since he was the last voter. For your case on adam, do you think he arranged to have gonzaw whacked by making a case after the lynch? On November 02 2012 10:03 gonzaw wrote: For fucks sake I hope he flips scum. On November 02 2012 10:03 Adam4167 wrote: He will not, but you will. Adam really wanted to flip gonzaw (over). | ||
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On November 04 2012 09:53 Chezinu wrote: Just so you guys know, I can paint with pretty colors.. Mementoss Crossfire99 Hopeless1der Adam4167 BroodKingEXE gonzaw Keirathi Blazinghand strongandbig Chezinu BH, Chezinu thinks you've got blueballs. I think you've shot you're load quite recently to be honest  . But besides that, would you consider Strongandbig closer to Red or Blue, considering his eccentric spending habits? | ||
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But I also went through Keir's filter, and in the event that MMT flips town, the groundwork is already done on accusing Keirathi. I pretty much put scum-colored glasses on while I read his filter, and I don't believe a good chunk of it because there are townier (and more likely) reasons to do the things that he did (mostly related to gonzaw). Its long, and it's spoilered in my next post. For the record, I think keirathi is town, this was just an exercise for me. | ||
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On October 29 2012 12:16 Keirathi wrote: /in Joined the game. First step to becumming scum  On October 31 2012 08:38 Keirathi wrote: Ahmagerd, its the "Chezinu Special" posting restriction  Pretty much knows that Chezinu cannot be used+ Show Spoiler + Oh my gawd . First hand experience or word of mouth?On October 31 2012 09:23 Keirathi wrote: Ninjas suck, eh? Oh well. Probably a good rule. Quick question: does "EBWOP:" count as the start of a sentence for post restriction purposes? Other things suck too, if you know what I mean On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote: 'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians. Totally killing the mood On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote: Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean. Too hell and back, eh? Filler post. Comments on the fact that there is no content On October 31 2012 13:40 Keirathi wrote: Now, the real question is: was he scum in any of those games? Obviously, if he wasn't, then maybe you have a leg to stand on, but if he was scum and did the same thing, then you're grasping at straws and changing his playstyle from his scum and town meta both is a 100% null tell. I don't think he's grasping for straws...if you follow me. Defense of townie BKE for the sake of defending him. Doesn't actually know his meta yet seems to think Adam is wrong. On November 01 2012 00:14 Keirathi wrote: Do you care to share why you think it would be a good idea to out our blues early in day 1, Chezinu? Maybe his closet is full? Questioning Chezinu is like barking up a fallen tree (if you know what I mean). Alone, not that incriminating, but when its the only tree in the park, it looks a little shifty (By which I mean, keir only tried to interact with CHEZINU of all people. Not the most productive choice) On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote: 'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan. Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him. Wait a sec, you've never played with Chezinu before? What about toyed around with? Chezinu is anti-town, but not scummy. Doesn't pursue him either. BKE isn't worth voting for from his 'early' pressure. On November 01 2012 04:21 Keirathi wrote: "...all of our blues to claim" doesn't make me not blue. Because what did you expect me to say? "Certainly he wanted all of us blues to claim?" Don't be silly, I would never claim blue like that at this point in the game. Either way, though, I am not blue That leaves green, black or RED. On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote: Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make. Casting suspicion on Mementoss. Not scummy to me until Mementoss flips + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote: Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either. ^^Knows gonzaw's town meta, doesn't really push gonzaw for lack of town meta + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 07:36 Keirathi wrote: Okay, its getting close to the deadline and we need to make a decision on who needs to be lynched today. Current (unofficial) vote count: I'll talk a bit about each of the candidates: BKE The more BKE posts about his joke vote and TL being down (which, even if the timing doesn't line up with twitter, doesn't really mean anything. I was getting 502's yesterday for 5 hours straight, and when I finally got TL to load again, there were posts that I had missed), and voting pet peeves, or whatever, the more suspicious of him I get. Because that's literally all that he has been talking about. His case and vote on Mementoss was pretty boggling and doesn't really make any sense. Why would he not unvote someone when he has a stronger scum read on someone else? Feels like BKE is just grasping at straws for a reason to move his vote onto someone that has more momentum (and actually put them in the lead to be lynched). Right now, I'm leaning pretty heavily towards a BKE lynch. Mementoss I'm still a little hung up on Mementoss changing his opinion on whether its scummy to break character or not. I feel like it was a bit of "say/do whatever the thread thinks is good!" to buy himself some...well, not really town cred, but just doing whatever other townies are doing so that he doesn't stick out. However, two of the three votes on him are extremely weak (Adam's does at least have some reasonable explanations, even if there are some bad justifications thrown in too (the Djsingalong stuff)), and I'm pretty hesitant to pile on top of them. Chez's vote with no explanation whatsoever, and BKE with a terrible explanation. I'll keep watching Mementoss, but I don't think he should be lynched today. Adam I'm not conviced my Blazinghand's cherry picked meta case, but his point about only taking a single stance via the mementoss case was valid. I don't think Adam is our best choice of lynch today though. If he continues to stay disinterested and passive, then we can talk again. Basically, the only person I would be willing to vote for aside from BKE at this point is gonzaw. BH pointed it out, but gonzaw tunneling one player all day without questioning/attacking/etc other people just isn't gonzaw's town meta. Reminds me a bit of Liar Game, honestly, where he spent so much time working on/sticking to the "plan", while tunneling Cephiro. Take a look at his filters here for Liar Game and here for Aperture 2. Notice how much more time he spends in Aperture 2 being suspicious of EVERYONE until he gets a firm town read on them. That doesn't feel like what he's doing here. @Chezinu/Djsingalong: Where are you guys? Seriously this is pretty ridiculous. Okay, I have an hour timeout now. Hopefully there will be some good discussion and consolidation before I get back. ^^The reluctancy to want to see Mementoss swing is more related to the company among the voters than the play of MMT himself. On November 02 2012 09:46 Keirathi wrote: Give me a little credit. Had something come up right at the end of my time out, and I had to leave for a while longer. I'll consolidate onto BKE, because I believe that the case against him is stronger than the "case" against you. Just to be clear, though, that whole post was me committing to my reads. ##Vote: BroodKingExe Keir did something very similar to what gonzaw did: Not voting while in Timeout, despite having articlulated clear intentions on who he would prefer to vote On November 02 2012 10:12 Keirathi wrote: lol @ gonzaw What did you expect me to do? I said 3 hours ago that I was going to vote for BKE unless people would consolidate onto you. Yea, my vote was at the end of the day, but its not like I didn't say I wasn't going to consolidate if I needed to. The only other option was to just not vote and get modkilled; is that what you wanted? I don't understand the faux anger. Spoilered quote below is the "3 hours ago" post. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 07:36 Keirathi wrote: Okay, its getting close to the deadline and we need to make a decision on who needs to be lynched today. Current (unofficial) vote count: I'll talk a bit about each of the candidates: BKE The more BKE posts about his joke vote and TL being down (which, even if the timing doesn't line up with twitter, doesn't really mean anything. I was getting 502's yesterday for 5 hours straight, and when I finally got TL to load again, there were posts that I had missed), and voting pet peeves, or whatever, the more suspicious of him I get. Because that's literally all that he has been talking about. His case and vote on Mementoss was pretty boggling and doesn't really make any sense. Why would he not unvote someone when he has a stronger scum read on someone else? Feels like BKE is just grasping at straws for a reason to move his vote onto someone that has more momentum (and actually put them in the lead to be lynched). Right now, I'm leaning pretty heavily towards a BKE lynch. Mementoss I'm still a little hung up on Mementoss changing his opinion on whether its scummy to break character or not. I feel like it was a bit of "say/do whatever the thread thinks is good!" to buy himself some...well, not really town cred, but just doing whatever other townies are doing so that he doesn't stick out. However, two of the three votes on him are extremely weak (Adam's does at least have some reasonable explanations, even if there are some bad justifications thrown in too (the Djsingalong stuff)), and I'm pretty hesitant to pile on top of them. Chez's vote with no explanation whatsoever, and BKE with a terrible explanation. I'll keep watching Mementoss, but I don't think he should be lynched today. Adam I'm not conviced my Blazinghand's cherry picked meta case, but his point about only taking a single stance via the mementoss case was valid. I don't think Adam is our best choice of lynch today though. If he continues to stay disinterested and passive, then we can talk again. Basically, the only person I would be willing to vote for aside from BKE at this point is gonzaw. BH pointed it out, but gonzaw tunneling one player all day without questioning/attacking/etc other people just isn't gonzaw's town meta. Reminds me a bit of Liar Game, honestly, where he spent so much time working on/sticking to the "plan", while tunneling Cephiro. Take a look at his filters here for Liar Game and here for Aperture 2. Notice how much more time he spends in Aperture 2 being suspicious of EVERYONE until he gets a firm town read on them. That doesn't feel like what he's doing here. @Chezinu/Djsingalong: Where are you guys? Seriously this is pretty ridiculous. Okay, I have an hour timeout now. Hopefully there will be some good discussion and consolidation before I get back. The red is what I'm referring to. That's a pretty weak attempt to get gonzaw's lynch moving. On November 02 2012 10:24 Keirathi wrote: That might actually be a reasonably explanation. If he wasn't restricted from voting during his timeout, why didn't he vote Mementoss earlier when it would have actually ensured Mementoss's lynch? He only waited until after I had already voted. Hmm... Why did YOU wait Keirathi?! On November 03 2012 00:23 Keirathi wrote: ##GivePoints: Strongandbig I mean, its not like the points matter anyways, right!? Wouldn't you like to know .Then again, DOES he know? A ploy for towncred by making this public? On November 03 2012 02:19 Keirathi wrote: Maybe you could lay out why you think he's scum in a well laid out case post? I'm just not seeing it, reading through his filter. Oohh yeah, BlazingHand, scumhunt the wrong player and derail the tread. I like that. On November 03 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote: Okay, I gave S&B 500 points. I can't do anything with them, and I think S&B is probably town. Or at least, nothing he has said this game has made me think otherwise. He's town, until I feel I can push a mislynch on him. And I'm feeling him right now. He earned those points + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 04:15 Keirathi wrote: Because I wanted to see if there was any support for lynching you instead. You still haven't responded to BH's case (or my addition points), btw. Why did you spent so much time tunneling day 1, when your townie meta is to be suspicious of EVERYONE while gradually making town reads? Also, I suggest you read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&user=265522 Hell, you should probably read Aperture again too, and compare it to Liquid City which was running at the EXACT SAME TIME. Aperture was an anomaly in my play style, not the norm. Super Bus!!+ Show Spoiler + For banging and stuff On November 03 2012 06:21 Keirathi wrote: Maybe tunneling is a bit strong of a word. But, the only person you questioned/accused for 90% of the day was me. Looking back through Not Themed, and Aperture, you were suspicious of everyone and questioning them constantly. You did finally settle on town reads on people and left them alone, but you didn't focus 90% of your attention onto one person at any point of day 1 in those games. Look in the mirror on this one. gonzaw and Keir have got a little something going on this game On November 03 2012 14:27 Keirathi wrote: Finally, a game that I can really dig in to, if you know what I mean. Also, huge night plays, if you know what I'm saying. I'd be pretty down with a Mementoss lynch today. The situation around the deadline was pretty fishy, if you know what I mean. Keir was part of the reason the deadline business was fishy On November 04 2012 06:41 Keirathi wrote: So Mementoss, you said that you still think I am scum. For the same reasons as your day 1 case? What about the fact that gonzaw was pressuring me all day? Or that, in turn, I wanted to get him lynched? Or that I was willing to hammer BKE, when I could have just voted gonzaw and not cared about which of you two died? There are a lot of things that happened since you made that case, and you literally haven't commented on any of them. Anyone else you find scummy besides me? Its like he's never seen anyone take a ride on (or under) a bus before On November 04 2012 09:30 Keirathi wrote: Stutters: Care to comment on anything? Between you and your predecessor, you have a total of 4 posts in 96 hours of game time. 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On November 04 2012 10:45 Adam4167 wrote: Trying to look active there Hopeless? Assuming Mementoss flips scum, which he will, you're my choice for the 3rd scum. That's fine, we'll get to that later. Let me know what you'd like to question me about in the meantime, if you're so inclined. I've got all the answers you're looking for. | ||
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On November 04 2012 10:57 Keirathi wrote: So, you ostensibly think that I am town, but you came up with a huge list of reasons why I could be scum to set up my lynch if Mementoss flips town? :o Yes. However, I wouldn't act on them tomorrow unless you did nothing to help town. Being apathetic today doesn't count because we're all looking a little limp, if you know what I'm saying. | ||
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On November 04 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote: I...uh...okay? Do I need to explain why that's scummy as hell? Nothing MMToss has done today makes me think that he is town, but you just moved way up my possible scum list. That's why I've voted him. I explicitly tried to tunnel you, and I do not agree with my own findings. I've ruled out 3 other players already as potential scum, which may have been wrong, but I am very very confident in those reads. Unfortunately you're not one of them. | ||
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On November 05 2012 03:18 Blazinghand wrote: I don't get how there was every any doubt that Mementoss = scum and Hopeless = town Sometimes people just want to see a 'good performance' @SnB - I was actually attacking Crossfire because I thought he was BKE's scumbuddy at that point. When you say MMT has claimed scum, you mean the way he's given up and is just spamming in-your-endo's? I almost 100% agree with Chezinu's painting, its very lifelike. On November 04 2012 09:53 Chezinu wrote: Just so you guys know, I can paint with pretty colors.. Mementoss Crossfire99 Hopeless1der Adam4167 BroodKingEXE gonzaw Keirathi Blazinghand strongandbig Chezinu We presumably know the number of scum = 3 3 Scum (1 confirmed) 4 Performers (1 confirmed) 3 Audience 1 Host =11 Players Total Potential for 4 Audience/No Host based on setup speculation That means its currently 7v2 or 6v2v1. Chezinu thinks he's got all the audience. I'm not convinced on Crossfire in that list but I am confident that MMT is either Black or Red. gonzaw's shenanigans makes him being red far more likely. Then again, what to make of this: On November 05 2012 00:05 Mementoss wrote: Lets just say I have some experience blowing Drew Carrey's horns, If you know what I mean MMT, don't pull a BKE if you don't have to. Open up a little more. I promise it won't hurt, much. | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:46 Adam4167 wrote: The final scum was voting BKE yesterday and this paragraph is exactly why. Any one of us on Mementoss could have switched off and prevented two scum from outing themselves, if scum. About those that were voting BKE yesterday: Its not Blazinghand, as he gave Gonzaw a lead lobotomy last night. Nor is it S&B, as he absorbed the night shot. Leaving either Hopeless or Keirathi. Keirathi was Gonzaw and Mementoss main mislynch target, I am confident that this wasn't some kind of double bus. Leaving Hopeless by the process of elimination. And what about our non-voting replacement? Well there's a chance its him, but Mementoss did try and swing attention onto his predecessor, plus right after he replaced in, he made a comment about gonzaw being a better target then myself. I'm willing to kill hopeless first over him . If I die before Adam, and he doesn't swiftly follow me to the afterlife, I'll be gravely disappointed. If you know what I mean. | ||
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