On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi
Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it.
Part I: Spreading AccusationsAll game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this:
On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.
Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him.
His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up.
He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind.
On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 23:13 Mementoss wrote:
Nooooo chezinu ninjad me good thing I checked, I cant do the alphabet very well I have to say it completely out all the time lol. Oh, I agree with that fact that purposely fucking up is scummy because it gives you a free pass not to post, however, BKE seemed to be not understanding the rules at first, and the second time the posts were 3 min apart so its possible for ninja post. Poop, just to clarify this doesn't excuse his ridiuclous joke vote/call out on a "scum slip", it seemed like a desperate attempt to put fault on someone, but he fucked up with the rules. Qonsequently BKE, so far is the only player that stands out to me as somewhat scummy.
Reading chezinus last post, I still don't agree with the mass claim idea. Sit will still end up with everyone claiming audience memebers. Tangerine, chezinu, why do you feeld it was nessecary to give the player list :S ?
On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:On October 31 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Love to. My reason is that at this point in the thread he is the scummiest. "No way," you say, "he hasn't posted yet!" Often, that is reason enough. Proof of his scumminess is that he is a general liability.
Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie!
Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things.
The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now.
I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum.
ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that.
Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far.
##Vote Crossfire Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make.
Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote.
On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully.
On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.
breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation.
I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives?
Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either.
Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point.
Part II - Doesn't fit the metaEvery game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case.
Part III - Active LurkerKeirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game.
He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses.
On October 31 2012 14:02 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 13:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Perhaps click on his profile and check for yourself?
Quite simple really.
Red he has never been.
Sure, I could have checked myself, but you already did the research
Totally easier to just ask you to share.
On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:Gosh, what have we here?
On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians.
How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything.
Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean.
He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting.
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##Vote: Keirathi[-]
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Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him
so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him.
Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him.
Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking.
When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply.
Bottom part is so scummy, because you basically say your vote for Keir isn't pushed by your case but by the lack of Xfire's scummness. Cause of this, it shows me that you have no confidence in this case about Keir, because you had to justify a vote change. Dingaling shouldn't even be included in this post as you already have two scum reads, why would you support a policy lynch when you have two scum?
Eyeing one of Hopeless posts, I noticed I hadn't unvoted and voted is that what you guys are saying Im am being hypocritical on?
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