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On November 07 2012 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
So if he provides a tenable reason, are you open to changing your mind? Do you have any kind of response you think you're likely to believe? (obv if ur town then don't say what it could be) Your vote is up there with kush's flavor voting... just doesn't make sense imo.
BTW: if there is a town jailer then they need to claim ASAP
We have a claimed jailor (mkfuba) who claimed to rb prom
We have release who claimed getting rb'd.
That means we have potentially up to 2 roleblocks last night.
If you are town jk and you rb'd release, you should claim.
edit ok wtf now kush is claiming rb. so that's 3 potential rb's. Anyone that rb'd either kush or release should probably claim, especially if you are 1 shot. (or just pretend you're 1 shot in order to wifom mafia)
sorting this out could end up leading to a 1-1 trade scenario
I don't really see how this helps today. If you look at the mafiascum site a 1-shot roleblocker or jailer doesn't make sense, unless you don't believe fuba (and I'll wait for Prom to tell us what's up before doing that).
That means any claim will out them permanently and with the risk of a scum roleblocker alive as well, that means he might not get to use his block tomorrow. I don't see how it will change our read on Drazak today, so why are you calling for a RBer to claim now? You trying to figure out whom scum should RB tomorrow night?
For now, I will speculate that either Kush or Release is the SK and scum hit Promethelax. That cleans up the KP nicely. If Prom was not RB'd then we'll rethink that story.
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On November 07 2012 10:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn obv it shouldn't be the only deciding factor. But it should be considered IMO.
Punch clock was a pretty bad claim. I just didn't have time to realize that then. If I have more time before the lynch I can think about the claim more.
You are either trolling or the most stubborn useless player ever. I am so glad I am busy convincing myself you're the SK and we get to lynch you at some point. In fact, I might even want to lynch you before Drazak if you keep up this bullshit.
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K, just checked the OP. JK protects from 1 KP, which definitively rules out Prom getting doublestacked. That leaves scum not shooting, SK not shooting or one (or both) of Kush/Release being the scum hitman or SK.
Anybody feel like claiming SK yet? I promise I'll hunt for the remaining scum before trying to lynch you.
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Hmmm, TL ate my post? Luckily it was short.
Risk: I want your opinion on pretty much everything that happened in the last 48 hours. Particularly I want to hear what you think of Drazak and Kush. I am keeping going round and round in circles about Kush. Have you managed to find anything sensible?
Prom: you're still alive, please come back to the thread and state whether you were RB'd or not.
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Muso: given the almost certain absense of a vig, does your theory work with a Thrawn/Kush scumteam. If so, where does that leave Drazak?
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EBWOP: Muso = Fuba. Sorry.
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On November 07 2012 09:54 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 09:46 Acrofales wrote:On November 07 2012 09:25 kushm4sta wrote:
I just noticed that I got a pm.
I was roleblocked
Why the fuck would anyone rb me?? Lol. You have to ask? Are you kidding me... people actually still think im scum or sk... LOL I was the first one to start talking about how vts had non character names. How would I know about that if i wasn't a vt.... When I get town I let you in me. I let you inside of me and I share all of myself with you. So it really upsets me when people retardedly think im not town.
Great. Then please tell us who you think is the scumteam and who you think is SK. In fact, I want a LIST post from you with a detailed read on pretty much everybody. Flavour theory is allowed, because I want your thoughts, not what you think will please me.
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Thrawn: I have seen quite a bit of your thoughts about Release and Kush. However, I don't really know what you think of anybody else. You seem to think Prom could be scum. What makes you lean scum on Prom at the moment?
Also, your thoughts on Drazak, please.
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On November 07 2012 07:19 kushm4sta wrote:
Sick post fuba.
Basically I trusted thrawn because I know I'm town and he said I was town.
But is there room for all these power roles?
I want acro to really come clean. Are you seriously Jessica rabbit vt? Because that would be very fucked up.
The thing is, the flavor is not as straight forward as heros and villians. People have claimed names from the movie who shot roger rabbit...Jessica rabbit, whatever acme . these are characters from that movie and they aren't villians.
fuba either the flavor is not as straightforward as you think or acro prome and thrawn are all scum or sk.
Okay, so you're town and therefore the DT check came up town. So far so good. However, scum already HAVE that info. Why did you trust the CLAIM? What made the claim believable to you? The rest of us have to doubt both the claim and the outcome. You only have to doubt the claim. Putting you in a unique situation to shed some light on it. Thoughts please.
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On November 07 2012 11:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Sup guys. I need to catch up on the lengthier night posts still. I am voting drazak today because I am 99% sure he is scum based on the play that has been analysed by several of us here.
There are too many blues in this game also. So I feel as if this game does not conform to C9++ as much as we thought. Matt and Zealos were roleblocker and Jailer. Mkfuba claimed Jailer. Thrawn cop. plus another 1-2 jailer/roleblocker.
all in all 5 roleblocking roles in the game so far.
My top scum reads are drazak for claiming scum in the thread. And Kush if he isn't the SK.
I think one of release/ kush are the serial killer.
ok. I have an exam this evening so I need to study but I will be checking the thread in my breaks.
##Vote: Drazak
You caught up yet? What are your thoughts on Thrawn and Fuba.
What do you make of Release's behaviour?
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Risk, have you rolled scum in any game other than bureaucracy? That setup was too weird to get anything useful out of it. Other than that I know you've rolled town in every game I've ever played in with you... and you always liked to brag that you're always town, never scum. Caller game Romanians were kinda scum too, but that game was also weird AND went to hell in D2.
I feel I am completely unable to draw a bead on you and that bothers me.
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@thrawn
On November 07 2012 21:13 Acrofales wrote:
Thrawn: I have seen quite a bit of your thoughts about Release and Kush. However, I don't really know what you think of anybody else. You seem to think Prom could be scum. What makes you lean scum on Prom at the moment?
Also, your thoughts on Drazak, please.
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I think 5 roleblockers is entirely possible. Due to the c9++ setup a 1-shot RBer will only exist if there is also an unlimited RBer. That is if 2 Rs are rolled.
I am assuming WBG replaced medics with JKs this game (I am too lazy to read WBG's previous games to figure out if this is likely). That means with an MM (one M is guaranteed by Zealos' flip) mkfuba could easily be telling the truth. I have some other stuff on mkfuba that gives me a not-scum read on him and this play would be basically impossible as the SK (high chance of scum gunning for Prom).
So that makes MMRR, leaving at most 3Ts. Go to the wiki and look up all setups with 3 or less Ts and you see scum gets a roleblocker. That makes 5 roleblockers, of which 2 1-shot. Pretty much as the numbers work out.
Now, on to why you didn't get shot: I think scum withholding KP is a completely ridiculous theory and should never be proposed EVER in a serious game. Scum don't do that. The wifom is simply not worth it, and even less so when the JK has already been killed and it looks like they have unopposed KP. In every single situation I have ever seen of a scum kill not happening it has been because of protection or scum being afk. Given all players' activity level this game, I think we can rule out afk, which leaves protection. I listed three options, however, there is a 4th, which I was withholding on the minor chance that an SK claimed (you never know, players be dumb yo).
Possibilities:
1. Scum shot Prom. One of Kush, Release, or Prom is SK.
2. SK shot Prom. One of Kush, Release or Prom is scum hitman.
3. Scum shot SK. One of Kush, Release or Prom is scum hitman.
4. Scum shot SK. SK shot Prom. Shots say nothing about Release, Kush or Prom.
I see no reason to suspect Prom as SK: the suspicions against him were due to too-much-knowledge, not a lack interest in the game. Prom's behaviour at lynch time and Hopeless' early case pretty much remove the possibility of scum.
I am currently not willing to read any more into this. I want Kush to give me that list and I want to analyze Release's posting better. However, I am currently in full-on information-gathering mode.
Oh, two objections to roleclaiming. One, scum almost certainly has a roleblocker and two, it seems too fucking easy to fakeclaim this game and it'll only fuel more retarded kush-like discussions. So I am against it. It is a fucking stupid way to play the game.
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Also, dibs on most pro-town SK ever. I wish I rolled SK. Never been 3rd party 
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Dude, I voted Drazak in my first post of the day.
But fine, here it is again:
##vote Drazak
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Ah, I see a problem. There is a roleblock missing in N1, even if Mattchew didn't use his.
3 possibilities:
1. Someone got RB'd but didn't claim. If this was Zealos' target we'll never know.
2. One of the RBers got RB'd.
3. Prom or I got doublestack RB'd.
I'm guessing number 3. I can see a scum RBing Prom and a town RBing prom. Scum bluehunting while enough of town had doubts about Prom being scum. However, rather a lot of wifom here.
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On November 08 2012 02:15 Promethelax wrote:
Fuba's theory of Kush=sk is possible if we assume that thrawn is town and he did get a green check on Kush but mafia framed him that night they would know 1)kush=sk and 2)he took bullet proof, this means that Scum could rb me tonight and, instead of holding their shot shoot off the SK's bullet proof.
Errr, why would scum have to RB you tonight? Don't you mean they could RB HIM and shoot his bulletproof off?
However, all of this is Wildly WIFOM.
Lets work with what we know instead of dreaming up hypotheticals. FIRST we need to find a framer.
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On November 08 2012 03:11 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 03:03 Acrofales wrote:On November 08 2012 02:15 Promethelax wrote:
Fuba's theory of Kush=sk is possible if we assume that thrawn is town and he did get a green check on Kush but mafia framed him that night they would know 1)kush=sk and 2)he took bullet proof, this means that Scum could rb me tonight and, instead of holding their shot shoot off the SK's bullet proof. Errr, why would scum have to RB you tonight? Don't you mean they could RB HIM and shoot his bulletproof off? However, all of this is Wildly WIFOM. Lets work with what we know instead of dreaming up hypotheticals. FIRST we need to find a framer. If Fuba is scum: he RBs me, scum shoot off SKs bullet proof and get town cred for being a confirmed JK. Wild WIFOM.
And where did Kush's kill go?
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On November 08 2012 03:13 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 03:12 Acrofales wrote:On November 08 2012 03:11 Promethelax wrote:On November 08 2012 03:03 Acrofales wrote:On November 08 2012 02:15 Promethelax wrote:
Fuba's theory of Kush=sk is possible if we assume that thrawn is town and he did get a green check on Kush but mafia framed him that night they would know 1)kush=sk and 2)he took bullet proof, this means that Scum could rb me tonight and, instead of holding their shot shoot off the SK's bullet proof. Errr, why would scum have to RB you tonight? Don't you mean they could RB HIM and shoot his bulletproof off? However, all of this is Wildly WIFOM. Lets work with what we know instead of dreaming up hypotheticals. FIRST we need to find a framer. If Fuba is scum: he RBs me, scum shoot off SKs bullet proof and get town cred for being a confirmed JK. Wild WIFOM. And where did Kush's kill go? Either hits a protect or he was RB'd (which Kush was).
You are REALLY not thinking straight, just to make this theory work. It doesn't.
If the kill was protected, are you adding a medic role into the process?
If he was roleblocked, who roleblocked him (or alternatively, who roleblocked Release)? Note, you can't use mkfuba, because he was busy roleblocking you and fakeclaiming in the process.
You are not only wifoming it up, but you are adding roles. Why do you want fuba to be scum so badly?
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I'm still in the process of elimination, but my town list corresponds quite a bit to Kush's. I have Kush down as scum or town, unlikely SK.
In any case, I don't see how we can get around flipping Drazak. He has pretty much claimed scum. The few theories I have left for solving this game revolve around his flip. If he's goon or roleblocker, I feel Kush is town. If he flips framer, then Kush is a likely scum candidate. If he flips town then my world is rocked, but even then I feel town wins this game.
Oh, and fuck you risk: I don't claim to people I think have a good chance of being scum.
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