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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 19 2012 02:56 GMT
#2301
On November 18 2012 10:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Props to debears, Kier and marv for figuring shit out in the obs thread.


Had you figured d1 son
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 19 2012 03:04 GMT
#2302
Oh, I was wondering during game and wanted to ask at the end.

Risk: do you really believe that someone of prp's caliber would replace out because he was scum under pressure? That seemed really dumb but made sense form a getting me lynched standpoint.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
November 19 2012 03:18 GMT
#2303
On November 19 2012 10:10 Promethelax wrote:
Because I hate sheep. I know that isn't a good reason. I made stupid plays trying to get people besides you playing the game. It went badly. I will not do so in the future. Believe me, I feel bad already, after I was dead Marv sent me a "we need to talk" message and after the game ended Kush sent me a "WTFWTFWTFWTF this game is 100 no 200 percent your fault" message.

lolno.

It was kush's fault.
The one time when his vote counted, he chose not to think (as he did when his vote didn't count).
☺
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 19 2012 03:26 GMT
#2304
On November 19 2012 12:18 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 10:10 Promethelax wrote:
Because I hate sheep. I know that isn't a good reason. I made stupid plays trying to get people besides you playing the game. It went badly. I will not do so in the future. Believe me, I feel bad already, after I was dead Marv sent me a "we need to talk" message and after the game ended Kush sent me a "WTFWTFWTFWTF this game is 100 no 200 percent your fault" message.

lolno.

It was kush's fault.
The one time when his vote counted, he chose not to think (as he did when his vote didn't count).


A lot of it was my fault. I was in the position to make the difference and I didn't. My fault. Kush managed to put himself in a position where his townieness was being questioned even though he had a green check.

Also: you played a pretty decent last few days. I wish you hadn't played so scummily the first few. Why did you fake-claim so much? It really hurt your credibility as town, even though you were being as paranoid as me about Acro and saying the crazy thoughts in my head I still found you pretty scummy.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 19 2012 03:29 GMT
#2305
On November 19 2012 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote:
You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections.


What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later.

They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play.

Your claim wa 100% impossible given the setup. I hadn't read the game and I knew you were scum the moment you claimed.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 19 2012 03:29 GMT
#2306
On November 19 2012 12:29 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote:
You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections.


What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later.

They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play.

Your claim wa 100% impossible given the setup. I hadn't read the game and I knew you were scum the moment you claimed.


Hye Sand, why was it 100% impossible? I get why it was unlikely but what makes it impossible?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
November 19 2012 03:31 GMT
#2307
Goddammit.
I need to play a game as scum one of these days.

I still do not know the difference between how scum and townies play.
☺
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 19 2012 03:39 GMT
#2308
On November 19 2012 12:29 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 12:29 sandroba wrote:
On November 19 2012 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote:
You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections.


What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later.

They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play.

Your claim wa 100% impossible given the setup. I hadn't read the game and I knew you were scum the moment you claimed.


Hye Sand, why was it 100% impossible? I get why it was unlikely but what makes it impossible?

There was a 1-shot JK, and a full JK (DD). For there to be another full JK, you would have to have 2 more D rolls (DDDD).

That would make the full roll CBBDDDD (0 T's). In a 0 T setup, there isn't a SK.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 19 2012 03:40 GMT
#2309
On November 19 2012 12:39 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 12:29 Promethelax wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 sandroba wrote:
On November 19 2012 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote:
You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections.


What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later.

They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play.

Your claim wa 100% impossible given the setup. I hadn't read the game and I knew you were scum the moment you claimed.


Hye Sand, why was it 100% impossible? I get why it was unlikely but what makes it impossible?

There was a 1-shot JK, and a full JK (DD). For there to be another full JK, you would have to have 2 more D rolls (DDDD).

That would make the full roll CBBDDDD (0 T's). In a 0 T setup, there isn't a SK.


oh. Me dumb.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 19 2012 03:40 GMT
#2310
Setup speculation does have its merits from time to time
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 19 2012 03:42 GMT
#2311
The caveat to that is, bugs setup is heavily modified. I think he actually allows SKs at 0 Ts.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 19 2012 03:52 GMT
#2312
On November 19 2012 12:39 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 12:29 Promethelax wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 sandroba wrote:
On November 19 2012 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote:
You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections.


What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later.

They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play.

Your claim wa 100% impossible given the setup. I hadn't read the game and I knew you were scum the moment you claimed.


Hye Sand, why was it 100% impossible? I get why it was unlikely but what makes it impossible?

There was a 1-shot JK, and a full JK (DD). For there to be another full JK, you would have to have 2 more D rolls (DDDD).

That would make the full roll CBBDDDD (0 T's). In a 0 T setup, there isn't a SK.


Wait, I thought the hosts changed the c9++ setup so that setup discussion couldn't be made?


I mean, in Can't Believe it was "supposedly" c9++ but it had nothing to do with the C's and BB's and TT's (which I figured out after spending like 3 cycles speculating about it >_> ).
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 19 2012 04:02 GMT
#2313
On November 19 2012 12:52 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 12:39 Keirathi wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 Promethelax wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 sandroba wrote:
On November 19 2012 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote:
You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections.


What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later.

They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play.

Your claim wa 100% impossible given the setup. I hadn't read the game and I knew you were scum the moment you claimed.


Hye Sand, why was it 100% impossible? I get why it was unlikely but what makes it impossible?

There was a 1-shot JK, and a full JK (DD). For there to be another full JK, you would have to have 2 more D rolls (DDDD).

That would make the full roll CBBDDDD (0 T's). In a 0 T setup, there isn't a SK.


Wait, I thought the hosts changed the c9++ setup so that setup discussion couldn't be made?


I mean, in Can't Believe it was "supposedly" c9++ but it had nothing to do with the C's and BB's and TT's (which I figured out after spending like 3 cycles speculating about it >_> ).

I didn't remember you speculating about the rolls in that game, but I just found this gem:

On July 13 2012 23:00 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, now that I think about it the more flips there are we can determine how many scum there are.
Like, each time a cop flips we add a "C" (or "CC", etc), if a VT flips we add "T", etc. In the end we can know (based on all the Ts,Cs, Bs and shit that flipped or are claimed) exactly how many scum/SKs are and how many of them are.


Lolol at the bolded.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 19 2012 05:58 GMT
#2314
On November 19 2012 12:39 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 12:29 Promethelax wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 sandroba wrote:
On November 19 2012 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote:
You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections.


What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later.

They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play.

Your claim wa 100% impossible given the setup. I hadn't read the game and I knew you were scum the moment you claimed.


Hye Sand, why was it 100% impossible? I get why it was unlikely but what makes it impossible?

There was a 1-shot JK, and a full JK (DD). For there to be another full JK, you would have to have 2 more D rolls (DDDD).

That would make the full roll CBBDDDD (0 T's). In a 0 T setup, there isn't a SK.


yeah, but even knowing that FUBA or thrawn could have been fake claiming also right?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 19 2012 06:20 GMT
#2315
On November 19 2012 14:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 12:39 Keirathi wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 Promethelax wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 sandroba wrote:
On November 19 2012 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote:
You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections.


What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later.

They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play.

Your claim wa 100% impossible given the setup. I hadn't read the game and I knew you were scum the moment you claimed.


Hye Sand, why was it 100% impossible? I get why it was unlikely but what makes it impossible?

There was a 1-shot JK, and a full JK (DD). For there to be another full JK, you would have to have 2 more D rolls (DDDD).

That would make the full roll CBBDDDD (0 T's). In a 0 T setup, there isn't a SK.


yeah, but even knowing that FUBA or thrawn could have been fake claiming also right?

Yes, one of them could have been fake-claiming, but not BOTH of them. Once risk and thrawn were dead, setup speculation would have told the thread that you HAD to be scum following standard C9++ rules.

But like I said, who knows what bugs does with 0 T's.

Oh yea, that reminds me of something else I wanted to comment on: 2 godfathers. No. Never. If you ever start thinking that in a c9++ base mini, you're just wrong. Again, maybe the host could change something to allow it, but no way should that ever be your first thought, and I wouldn't even consider it without seeing empirical proof that its possible.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 19 2012 06:24 GMT
#2316
On November 19 2012 13:02 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 12:52 gonzaw wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:39 Keirathi wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 Promethelax wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 sandroba wrote:
On November 19 2012 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote:
You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections.


What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later.

They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play.

Your claim wa 100% impossible given the setup. I hadn't read the game and I knew you were scum the moment you claimed.


Hye Sand, why was it 100% impossible? I get why it was unlikely but what makes it impossible?

There was a 1-shot JK, and a full JK (DD). For there to be another full JK, you would have to have 2 more D rolls (DDDD).

That would make the full roll CBBDDDD (0 T's). In a 0 T setup, there isn't a SK.


Wait, I thought the hosts changed the c9++ setup so that setup discussion couldn't be made?


I mean, in Can't Believe it was "supposedly" c9++ but it had nothing to do with the C's and BB's and TT's (which I figured out after spending like 3 cycles speculating about it >_> ).

I didn't remember you speculating about the rolls in that game, but I just found this gem:

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 23:00 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, now that I think about it the more flips there are we can determine how many scum there are.
Like, each time a cop flips we add a "C" (or "CC", etc), if a VT flips we add "T", etc. In the end we can know (based on all the Ts,Cs, Bs and shit that flipped or are claimed) exactly how many scum/SKs are and how many of them are.


Lolol at the bolded.



Yeah me heavily misunderstanding how c9++ works didn't really help me in that game >_> <_<
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 19 2012 06:26 GMT
#2317
On November 19 2012 15:20 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 14:58 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:39 Keirathi wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 Promethelax wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:29 sandroba wrote:
On November 19 2012 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote:
You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections.


What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later.

They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play.

Your claim wa 100% impossible given the setup. I hadn't read the game and I knew you were scum the moment you claimed.


Hye Sand, why was it 100% impossible? I get why it was unlikely but what makes it impossible?

There was a 1-shot JK, and a full JK (DD). For there to be another full JK, you would have to have 2 more D rolls (DDDD).

That would make the full roll CBBDDDD (0 T's). In a 0 T setup, there isn't a SK.


yeah, but even knowing that FUBA or thrawn could have been fake claiming also right?

Yes, one of them could have been fake-claiming, but not BOTH of them. Once risk and thrawn were dead, setup speculation would have told the thread that you HAD to be scum following standard C9++ rules.

But like I said, who knows what bugs does with 0 T's.

Oh yea, that reminds me of something else I wanted to comment on: 2 godfathers. No. Never. If you ever start thinking that in a c9++ base mini, you're just wrong. Again, maybe the host could change something to allow it, but no way should that ever be your first thought, and I wouldn't even consider it without seeing empirical proof that its possible.


SO only once fuba was confirmed town was I 100% fake claiming. Which is what I knew all along. The last day was always going to be the tricky one. It was the one in which I was confirmed scum. I just ahd to hope the town was useless on the final day and I could argue with whoever caught on. And it worked. All those people who are saying they knew I was scum as soon as I claimed are completely wrong. I was confirmed scum based on my fake claim due to set-up only on the final day.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 07:36:29
November 19 2012 07:30 GMT
#2318
No you should had been killed the day you claimed Jailor. It was the worst townplay I've ever seen that allowed you to live. Don't pretend yourself anything else.
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 19 2012 07:45 GMT
#2319
The way things added up, your claim made it 8 letters long. It had to be 6 letters long with one T so the only one that could be lying was you, because if it were the other dudes it would only subtract one letter. And even assuming wbg modified it heavily (he modified it slightly I think, changing docs to jks and innocent children to millers iirc), scum just NEEDED a role blocker for balance with this many town blues and DP's claim was the only verifiable extremelly convinient thing he could ever claim as one.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 19 2012 07:46 GMT
#2320
That said I respect that DP could pull it off, props to him.
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