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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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On October 20 2012 09:05 DarthPunk wrote: Well. This player list seems pretty strong so I guess we don't need to talk about policy lynches or lurker lynches... hey ZB, Long time no see. ^_^ Nonsense! I'mma gonna lynch me some lurkers bitchessss! In all seriousness, we should sort out some sort of policy for the instant-lynch mechanic. I feel that the inactivity, combined with the town's reluctance to throw around votes led to town's loss in GSL II. So I'd like to propose a couple of things I've been mulling since before the game started... 1) Vote vote vote vote! There's no point in withholding votes, and don't be scared about it. 2) While we should be eager to throw around vote, hammering is a different story. If someone doesn't have a good reason for hammering someone on the vote, I'll policy lynch them. 3) If you vote someone, be kind enough to update the vote count on the player - makes it much easier to keep track of things and makes it easier on the hosts. Being able to vote more freely will allow us to pressure more effectively, and I propose the above as policy for this game (or atleast for D1). | ||
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On October 20 2012 09:16 DarthPunk wrote: Hapa what do you mean by hammering? Do you mean pushing a lynch on someone? The "hammer" is the clinching vote in insta-lynch. i.e. someone has 4 votes on him D1 - whoever puts in vote #5 is the hammer (and better have some pretty damn good rationale for it). | ||
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Hapahauli
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I never role mafia T_T But when I do, I get confirmed scum within 6 hours via. blue actions. /still-bitter | ||
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On October 20 2012 09:20 DarthPunk wrote: Ok thanks for the clarification. Meh. I dislike policy lynches. But I agree. If you are townie don't hammer someone when you are not certain they are scum or the certainty you hold is not rational. The nice thing about policy is we can choose how strictly to enforce it or not. I just would like to set the stage for some discussion, and create an environment where people aren't scared to seriously pursue scumreads. | ||
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Hapahauli
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I hope you'll be more active this game - you were hesitant to post as town in your newbie games, and it'll be really difficult to read you if you do the same here. Will you be free enough to post frequently in this game? I'll be holding you to a higher standard. | ||
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On October 20 2012 09:28 DarthPunk wrote: To elaborate. Don't be scared TO hammer someone if you DO have a strong case and read on them. So what is the point of even discussing it if we may or may not enforce it at all and it comes down to the circumstances? I know that policy is the best way to start discussion. But honestly it is very easy for scum to hide in the midst of policy talk. I have never seen a policy lynch despite it being discussed at length at the start of every game. Goal isn't to find scum in the first few hours - goal is to give town something to talk about. But I haven't said anything about not enforcing the policy - after all, I'll be very tempted to lynch someone for an awful hammer vote, and I want that for the town to see. I might choose not to lynch based an awful hammer vote in the event of extreme/unusual circumstances. | ||
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On October 20 2012 09:30 DarthPunk wrote: Alas. Even though I much prefer League of Legends I am a SC2Progamer Policy lynch. GOGO. | ||
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Welcome to the http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=2#25 | ||
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On October 20 2012 11:42 vaderseven wrote: Sup what ya want to knows bout mes? Any experience playing mafia beyond GSL I? Also, describe yourself so we may form a scumhunting team of super-friends! Also also, respond to mundane policy talk plz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=2#25 That goes for you too Kei =D | ||
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Hapahauli
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Regarding DP If I'm getting his logic correctly, he used "role" instead of "allignment" when questioning Draz because scum will somehow be under more pressure if they fakeclaim later, correct? Well it doesn't make sense, but it's not scummy. The fact that he's sitting here and earnestly explaining incomprehensible logic away makes me think he's town tbh. Regarding Draz I coached Drazak in two newbie games, so I feel I should say something about his meta/playstyle. Drazak got mislynched in both his games (pretty early) for lurkiness/wishy-washyness as town. Nothing he's done is alignment indicative so far. I will say he's shown much more interest in this game than his previous games FWIW. Nothing to make a read on him yet. | ||
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On October 20 2012 13:19 DarthPunk wrote: Like even if they are 1% less likely to fake claim why the hell not? There is absolutely no difference either way but I thought that this way May have some small advatage of the other so I chose that way. I honestly don;t see what is so difficult to understand about this. It is not as if that scenario needs to occur or if it is even likely. I thought it may be the better play out of two otherwise equal options. So I chose it. I am baffled that no one understands that. geez. The point that people are trying to make is that it makes no difference. Scum aren't going to be deterred (or even remember) something like this. Anywho, I think it's best to agree to disagree here. It gave me a town read on you anyway so cool. Nao off to bed - peace out folks. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Yea, it doesn't make much sense. I don't think it's scummy, but I sure don't think it's townie either. A scum in his position would certainly have to justify himself as well, I don't see why you are taking this to be a town read this early on. It's one of those really over-thought-out plans that aligns very well with townie thought process. Not definitive by any means, but I do consider it a town tell. This meta read, however, makes me less suspicious of drazak for that vote alone. Whatever the meta read, he's posted more in this game already than his last town game (mislynched D1). He seems very eager to post, and that makes me think he's town. His defenses have been instant (and IMO honest), and mulling over his history, I'd be pretty surprised if that came from scum-Drazak. Right now I'm more interested in Keirathi. Made this one easy-to-make post, and didn't really stick around, made no other comments. This seems to me like too easy of a post for someone like Keir to make, and doesn't seem genuine. Yah I'm a bit surprised at how little Kei has contributed so far. Early D1 caveats of course, but I always had the impression that his town play was very active on the early days. | ||
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