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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 24 2012 22:30 GMT
#965
your contributions include:

a) weak vote on kei
b) tunnelling no-one because you've been shit
c) shit case on iamp and meta case on me, and i don't have a convenient blue claim
d) scumcase against someone who i think is scum

yes, it's town marv, you arrogant little shit.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 24 2012 22:33 GMT
#967
ebwop a) *weak vote on vader
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 24 2012 22:52 GMT
#972
so you'll waste a lynch now? that's bad.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 24 2012 22:55 GMT
#974
I'm being damned for past games and not this game, and it's very sad.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 24 2012 22:57 GMT
#977
On October 25 2012 07:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also, perhaps even more damning about you is the scumreads you've found after a day of searching. Your scumreads are 1) the person attacking you and 2) biggest lynch-bait in the game. That's optimal scum strategy in this situation, and there's no way its coincidence.


For emphasis for anyone hesitant to hammer marv.
...made even worse by the fact I'm basically confirmed town.


palmar attacked me last game and he was scum. and lynch bait can be scum.

terrible reasons.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 24 2012 23:00 GMT
#978
On October 25 2012 07:56 austinmcc wrote:
It's all I can do not to ask a dumb sherpa question.

marv, drazak.

you say bandwagony, lack of explanations, evades questions.

This was a peculiar post to me, in terms of you giving real reasons for finding him townie (actually speaking with him, about getting lynched for not pushing reads, etc.). This post came from a position of...more knowledge than we have in thread, and so should carry some weight.
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 08:26 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2012 04:50 drazak wrote:
Not to defend hapa too much, but I know when I've read things, I think different things whehter or not I'm hungry, or if other things are going on in my life, maybe he reconsidered after reading something again.


It looks like in his own way he's trying to defuse things.

On the flip side of this, it points to the fact he was present in the thread for a while and not making any actual further contributions of his own. Which should be scummy, except... after the last game he played when he was lynched Day 1, he spoke to me on IRC about his play and why he'd been lynched. And he got lynched because he wasn't pushing reads and contributing, although it seemed to me at the time when I was talking to him that for whatever reason he didn't *quite* grasp it; so it's possible to make the argument that he should have learnt from this, but I rather think that it's simply consistent with how he's played as town before. I don't want to lynch drazak today, I still lean town.


do you think that he grasps it, that he'd be playing differently if he were town this game? Especially given that one of the two reads you gave seems to be town, you still confident in the other?


I presume so. The thing about drazak though is that he blindly goes after some things but he seems to wilfully ignore others, and that's become more apparent with the issues surrounding my lynch.

I would be lying if I said I was as confident now as I was when I thought Hapa was scum. Because the two of them made a lot of sense to me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 25 2012 00:20 GMT
#983
gg.

didn't have the heart for it this game and knew i was playing awfully but could do nothing about it.

wish i hadn't bothered defending myself though, what a waste of my time.

##Vote: marvellosity
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 13:35:02
October 25 2012 13:25 GMT
#1116
wow this finished? Only noticed because I saw iamp conceding in scumQT

BH: told you so, read the game brah ^^

wp town. While losing is annoying, it was actually the spending time defending myself (and it took a lot of time) to no end at all that was the most frustrating. And as both defence and attack go, I thought I'd done quite well :/

I already spoke to Hapa/BH about it a bit, but having a really long string of scum games has been wearing me down, and getting into this game 1.5 days late was just fatal for me. I don't know if I mentioned in scumQT, but as the whole game was going along, I knew I was playing "scummily" (as per meta, rather than gameplay) but I could seemingly do little about it despite being aware of it. My enthusiasm I guess was just too low. Given the really high-involvement town style I have, it's a monumental effort every time I play scum to try to replicate it, and obviously I didn't have it in me this game... I mean, I actually had quite a lot of filter this game and no-one was really lynching me for doing scummy things, just... the meta too strong.

With a different playerbase I might have gotten away with it, but against Hapa/Keirathi/austin... not a chance
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 25 2012 14:19 GMT
#1119
austin, it WAS the dumbest thing ever. THAT wasn't alignment indicative.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 25 2012 14:20 GMT
#1121
annul was a wank-fiend. that wasn't dumb. it just happened to be an incorrect read.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 25 2012 14:24 GMT
#1123
It wasn't dumb, it was embellished. There's a massive difference.

What you said here was dumb. Really I think you should know me well enough that I will never, ever encourage scum partners to post LESS.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 14:28:10
October 25 2012 14:26 GMT
#1125
Why not? He comes back with irrelevant reads that did nothing to help the thread. Promising more shit later is easy to do.

In general I think players get too hung up on what scum would/wouldn't do. Scum players play suboptimally all the time, just as much as town players do.

edit: for example, Z-Bo found it really hard to believe VE was scum in Clothes because of his post at the start of Day 2 with the @ mistake. It seemed too obvious and "scum should never do that". But VE did do that, and it was totally bad. Of course he "shouldn't", but *shrug*
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 25 2012 14:29 GMT
#1128
On October 25 2012 23:27 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
It wasn't dumb, it was embellished. There's a massive difference.

What you said here was dumb. Really I think you should know me well enough that I will never, ever encourage scum partners to post LESS.

I get stuck thinking there are cases where someone posting less would be a good play.


I might tell someone to stop posting about certain stuff, but I'd make them post more about stuff I think they should be posting about. There really is about zero chance if I was scum with drazak I'd have made him lurkier.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 25 2012 14:29 GMT
#1129
On October 25 2012 23:29 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 23:26 marvellosity wrote:
Why not? He comes back with irrelevant reads that did nothing to help the thread. Promising more shit later is easy to do.

In general I think players get too hung up on what scum would/wouldn't do. Scum players play suboptimally all the time, just as much as town players do.

It wasn't suboptimal. It was suicidal.

v7 isn't participating/isn't giving reads, let's lynch him.

v7 returns to thread, gives out a few reads and promises participation later.

Way higher chance that he's actually crazy busy and trying to contribute what he can than just...doing exactly what people are finding him scummy for.


see VE example
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 25 2012 14:30 GMT
#1131
sorry, I edited my post a few above and you probably didn't see.

About Clothes Mafia. We lynched him on Day 2 off one post.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 14:37:37
October 25 2012 14:36 GMT
#1136
On October 25 2012 23:33 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 23:30 marvellosity wrote:
sorry, I edited my post a few above and you probably didn't see.

About Clothes Mafia. We lynched him on Day 2 off one post.

Gotcha gotcha. I think those are entirely different, and I dunno that I should keep clogging up postgame with this, lol.

VE made an "obvious" mistake, that highlighted the change in posting style with the @ and the italics.

v7 was called scummy for behaving a certain way, came back after a long absence and behaved in much the same way. Not that it was obvious or too scummy, but just that scum under suspicion for x doesn't come back after a long absence and keep doing x, at least in the vast majority of cases.


Yes, but in the context of that game, the one thing scum had to avoid was making obvious stylistic mistakes.

Apparently he had a 'strat' behind it, but it was just suicidal.

Obviously I can't really say what I would have done as town here, but in general lynching vader was fairly understandable. He flipped town here, but many scum in the past and in the future will flip for similar reasons.

Edit: not exactly the same, but slOosh and Shiao were called out pretty early for lurking/not contributing in Liquid City, and despite having days to fix it, they were still doing the same thing by the end of the game.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 14:41:20
October 25 2012 14:41 GMT
#1139
he was town in his last 2 games dear (Liquid, LVII)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 25 2012 14:44 GMT
#1141
poor Z-Bo t.t
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 17:09:16
October 25 2012 17:02 GMT
#1148
On October 26 2012 01:59 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 22:25 marvellosity wrote:
I knew I was playing "scummily" (as per meta, rather than gameplay) but I could seemingly do little about it despite being aware of it. My enthusiasm I guess was just too low. Given the really high-involvement town style I have, it's a monumental effort every time I play scum to try to replicate it, and obviously I didn't have it in me this game... I mean, I actually had quite a lot of filter this game and no-one was really lynching me for doing scummy things, just... the meta too strong.

With a different playerbase I might have gotten away with it, but against Hapa/Keirathi/austin... not a chance


aha! Now you know what it feels like :-)

ps wtf is up with you getting scum so much? I get the sense that hosts don't actually do things randomly around here.


I know what it feels like, the difference is I actually (mostly) put in the effort, dear

I know BH rolled randomly here (he said so, and he's a straight up dude) but in a couple of other games I know / have strong feelings that I was made scum (Death Note, Liquid City)

P.S. at various points of the game I did think of you, and I was waiting for you to come in here and comment, haha xD
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 25 2012 19:35 GMT
#1161
I had a hissy fit and called Hapa a dickhead on irc

it was bad enough going down but being antagonised at the same time pissed me off xD
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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