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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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On October 24 2012 10:04 drazak wrote: Can you provide me with evidence to the contrary then? Town games in your last 10 or so games where you play like you have this game? I've been asking him this for two hours and he's never provided. Don't count on it. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Probably because I still think there's no sane way that marv flips town in this one. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Please describe to me how it's scummy. Seriously, I don't get it. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Wow, that post, I skimmed it before, but reading it again,I'm really starting to believe it, it's pretty comprehensive and those signs are pretty exact. I think if we lynch marv and he's scum, whomever the medic is has to save hapa because that wouldn't be a bus, but if marv isn't scum, maybe lynch hapa the next day? ...which I don't see as scummy given that he talks about the possibility that marv flips scum as well. It's just an overall part of his analysis methinks. | ||
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Hapahauli
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There are 3 votes on marv atm, and there are still a few players who need to pop in. NO ONE HAMMER's MARV until we hear from EVERYONE on the subject | ||
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On October 24 2012 10:23 DarthPunk wrote: Hapa. Unvote plz. Why? If you disagree with my case, tell me, but I'm not lynching Drazak for that post. I understand the tell you're talking about (scum trying to predetermine a lynch knowing alignments), but I just don't see it there. It seems like very dumb logic - he works through both sides of things and seems to be part of the structure of his analysis overall. If marv flips town, we'll have some questions to ask about Drazak, but for now, I'm very comfortable lynching by far my strongest scumread. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On October 24 2012 10:28 austinmcc wrote: There is more to Drazak than that post. I would still like to hear thoughts on the quotes that felt scummy to me. Which post are you talking about? I'd look, but I've been filter diving through marv's meta for hours >> | ||
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On October 24 2012 10:27 DarthPunk wrote: Look at that Vote count. Scum are highly unlikely to bus. Look at who is voting for marv off the bat. 2 of the scummiest players IMO. Unless the keir- marv thing was manufactured I don't see keir being buddies with him. nor austin. Maybe ZB. but honestly shit is looking far too easy. Since when did you have a scumread on iamperfection? Or are you talking about me and drazak? | ||
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On October 24 2012 10:33 DarthPunk wrote: Hapa. Seriously ask yourself. Would Scum bus at this point? and if not who out of the 4 not voting for him is likely to be his buddy? I had 2 candidates for marvs scum buddy. They both voted for him straight off the bat. I can't see any of the others being buddied with marv aside from ZB who you think is town. We'll cross that road when we get there. I can see anyone being mafia #2 with marv with the exception of Kei. And no I don't think bussing is unreasonable here. I think my case is strong, and I think it's worth it for scum to bus here. However, I don't want to go down that road of analysis until I see marv flip for myself. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Regarding those two quotes by Draz - I initially found them scummy, but honestly, he is very very capable of doing that as town. Furthermore, comparing Draz's scumplay to posts by Node and Sinesis (two more veteran players) is kinda ridiculous. He's not a veteran, and needs to be held to an appropriate standard. But really, I'm starting to have a huge town read on him from his recent posting/defense. Look how quickly he's responding - this is dead on with his town meta, where he lurklurklurk's then is really open to defending himself (and instantly defends himself at that) the second he's called out. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On October 24 2012 10:42 Z-BosoN wrote: hapa, I thought you wanted to lynch him at lylo? shit just got real. going to evaluate when I get home tomorrow (small trip) but atm I dont want to lynch marv. will read the case more carefully. I agree strongly on how he "seems detached from thread" and I did not like his reaction. the rest ill have to see more carefully. don't hammer him until tomorrow please. I mentioned that "lynch marv at lylo thing" in case I died and/or for some reason people ignored my case. I still can't see him flipping town after the shit he pulled in his defense. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On October 24 2012 11:14 drazak wrote: You mean his lack of defense and his scumstall? I could go into all sorts of reasons why, but mainly his emotional stance. When marv is accused of being scum for reasons he perceives as bad, he flies off the handle. These are his posts near instantaneously after Palmar votes Marv early in Rockband Mini: On September 19 2012 01:53 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar fuck you On September 19 2012 01:54 marvellosity wrote: don't care On September 19 2012 01:57 marvellosity wrote: Palmar is being awful he should die he read my alignment correctly in NMM3 and I refuse to believe he'd so arbitrarily get it so wrong here straight OMGUS, deal with it On September 19 2012 02:28 marvellosity wrote: Palmar's play so far: 1. lol call 3 people scum for no reason 2. give out townreads to make self look townie (wow I can do this too, does this actually give town credit around here now? I should have known) 3. vote someone for no reason na, piss off Palmar. ... quite angry no? Marv is VERY pissed off at Palmar, and it wasn't like Palmar had some complete bullshit case on marv either. A couple of townies really bought into it. Now look at his reaction this game: On October 24 2012 08:22 marvellosity wrote: Well, I have a lot to answer for, apparently. I'll make a detailed defence if/when I'm still alive tomorrow. One small tidbit I would note right now - my filter in Death Note over 7 cycles (taking out post-game talk) is as long as my filter is here during Night 1. That's a whole different level of investment. On October 24 2012 09:07 marvellosity wrote: That wasn't the question, and I haven't been god-damn lazy. I've been doing my best. Quit fucking saying that. Lol what? This is a completely different person. Apparently he thinks my case is a shitty tunnel-vision case. Well he's certainly not treating it like one. He's not angry, he's not pissed - he's whiny. | ||
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On October 24 2012 11:17 austinmcc wrote: I don't think of the comparison as something based on ... veterancy. I view it as just this weird thing that ALL scum players can fall victim to. Scum knows Player X is town Player X gets attacked Scum chooses to defend Player X Scum KNOWS X is town, rather than has a town read So scum's defense is not fully based in-game, on things the thread can draw a read off of, but on assumptions/exaggerations/weirdness I don't think falling into that pattern is a result of being a vet or not being a vet, it's just a result of being scum and knowing someone's alignment without having to follow along and develop an actual read on them for reasons. That sounds fair, however, I still stand by the fact that I think he's capable of this as town, and that his defense is extremely forthcoming - too much so to be scum given his experience IMO. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On October 24 2012 11:24 drazak wrote: He did say fuck off to you hapa, but yeah, he doesn't seem to be as angry as those other games, not sure if whiny, but certainly not as angry. Yeah, but that was waaaaaaay later in his argument. His "fuck off" type posts read as pathetic rather than aggressive. I mean seriously, compare it to his reaction to Palmar. Crazy different. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Still want to hear Z-Bo's more complete thoughts on all of this. | ||
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On October 25 2012 01:32 Keirathi wrote: I don't think Hapa has a particularly strong "town" read on me, just a strong "not-scum-with-Marv" read? Presumably because I made the same case points he did, before he did. Yeah it's not so much your play - it's associative. Bussing is horrendously risky with only 2 scum-members, and if marv is scum, I doubt he'd spend so much time putting heat on you throughout D1 and D2 - ESPECIALLY since you were a target of suspicion. | ||
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On October 25 2012 01:45 Keirathi wrote: That's a risky way of thinking. In GSL 1, I spent quite a lot of time being "suspicious" of prplhz, and relying on townies (mainly marv) to shut me down and keep him from getting lynched. But, I would have bussed him in a heartbeat :o Perhaps, but the problem here is that townies weren't really shutting marv down - especially early N1. I may or may not reconsider after marv flips with new analysis and all of that, but that's where I stand right now. | ||
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Hapahauli
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That's probably something I'll deal with more tonight or after marv gets lynched. | ||
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