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On October 24 2012 08:43 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 08:35 marvellosity wrote:
I read the fucking case. I don't have massive emotional over-reactions every time I play town (see palmar omgus) nor do I very often play in a game with smurfs where I'm devoid of a lot of information I normally have.
How am I disinterested?? I don't think you're disinterested in the game, but you have been less interested in scum hunting than you normally are (yea yea, I'm being a hypocrite. Doesn't mean I'm wrong though.) Hapa was right, as town you are all over te place unless you have a damn strong read. When you aren't dead set on someone, you waver around jumping on little things until you're satisfied that that person is town, even if that person isnt your strongest scum read.
Taking out your usual 'meta', how easy did you find it to make progress this game? You made a few posts during the DP thing when I was away, but apart from that you struggled to make anything happen.Can you not see my perspective ??
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On October 24 2012 08:58 Hapahauli wrote:That statement was accurate about your gameplay so far: true or false?
Mostly true. I leant town on quite a few players.
The closest comparison game is Dwarf Fortress, where I made 2 votes all day - first on Custos for not caring about town and secondly on prplhz for not caring about town. I thought a lot about the other flavour of the day in that game (forumite), decided I didn't want to lynch him, and then did remarkably little to stop him getting lynched.
My last scum game, Liquid City - how many people did I express suspicions/scumreads on? Many. Let's meta my last scum game and this game then?
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That wasn't the question, and I haven't been god-damn lazy. I've been doing my best. Quit fucking saying that.
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yes thanks for the vote count. Totally necessary right there.
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Just for all those who can't read four posts and count to 1.
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On October 24 2012 09:08 Hapahauli wrote:
So if you want to attack my meta case, find one of your town games and show me why I'm mistaken. I believe that none of these tells apply to your town games. I also believe they are exclusive to your scumgames - not all of your scumgames follow these tells, but your lazy ones do.
Like I said, Dwarf Fortress is the closest one. Your disinterested point is just flat out false. You discount my last scum game because it suits your stupid narrative about 'lazy' scum games (again, to repeat, my filter is now longer than that game at the start of Day 2). You're cherrypicking meta in a way that I can't defend myself because this game is unique to any other and I've picked up more town tells than scum tells.
This makes this whole lynch extremely dumb indeed because I'm not scummy, because I'm town and trying. You're wrong because I've been trying to discern alignments (even Kei earlier said "no-one has been trying to actually figure out my alignment except you, and maybe hapa"). I questioned austin on his optimal/suboptimal stuff earlier because it was my way of picking at his alignment and he came up well.
I wanted to wait for vader to post more (this is in my filter) because I wanted to hear what he had to say and whether it strengthened or weakened my read. I've also been trying to get drazak to post more so I can flesh out a read on him.
I am trying to get to the bottom of what's what and who's who in this game and you leave all this shit out for your cherrypicked meta read. It's just bullshit.
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EBWOP: "that game" being Death note
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well done for ignoring the rest of my post, hapa.
I love how my play that isn't scummy is scummy because of meta.
Whereas your play which is actually scummy, with your total misrepresentation of iamp's filter, is townie because of meta.
Give me a break.
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On October 24 2012 09:39 Hapahauli wrote:
I already addressed the rest of that post previously.
You still haven't shown me how you are capable of this behavior as town. I'm convinced that your filter can't come from town-Marv.
But I'm not expecting you to disprove my case. Are you town? Stop saying you're "trying" and convince me. Dump your reads, give the town some good stuff, and there's a small chance I'll reconsider.
Also, I'm curious if you still think I'm scum? Because that earlier "scum-Hapa" bravado of yours disappeared real quick.
you never addressed at all how I've been trying to figure out alignments this game. stop bullshitting.
glad you wanna kill off a strong townie with only a 'small' chance you'll reconsider with whatever happens with my play. real townie-like.
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On October 24 2012 09:49 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 09:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2012 09:39 Hapahauli wrote:
I already addressed the rest of that post previously.
You still haven't shown me how you are capable of this behavior as town. I'm convinced that your filter can't come from town-Marv.
But I'm not expecting you to disprove my case. Are you town? Stop saying you're "trying" and convince me. Dump your reads, give the town some good stuff, and there's a small chance I'll reconsider.
Also, I'm curious if you still think I'm scum? Because that earlier "scum-Hapa" bravado of yours disappeared real quick. you never addressed at all how I've been trying to figure out alignments this game. stop bullshitting.glad you wanna kill off a strong townie with only a 'small' chance you'll reconsider with whatever happens with my play. real townie-like. Oh please do tell me how you've been trying. I've pointed out specifically how different you "trying to figure out alignments" is completely different in this game from other townie games. And lol, you're straight-up claiming scum with that vote.
No, you're just being an arrogant douchebag. I don't really care if I'm not figuring out alignments to your satisfaction, but it's clear I am doing so.
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Reads will come tomorrow when I'm calmed down and it's not 2am.
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On October 24 2012 09:53 drazak wrote:
Wow, that post, I skimmed it before, but reading it again,I'm really starting to believe it, it's pretty comprehensive and those signs are pretty exact. I think if we lynch marv and he's scum, whomever the medic is has to save hapa because that wouldn't be a bus, but if marv isn't scum, maybe lynch hapa the next day?
so you have nothing to say about my actual play this game??
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On October 24 2012 09:55 drazak wrote:
To me, your play is pretty neutral, but based on the meta evidence? I think you're scum. I have no problem voting youbased on the meta evidence.
##vote marvellosity
of course you don't.
you with the fine knowledge of how i play and hapa's cherrypicked case.
fabulous
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Kei, I'm around and still reading the thread, but right now I don't want to half-arse anything. I'm going to have to take 2-3 hours at home this evening to collate everything that I need to in both defence and scumread terms.
For now I will tell you you are not in my top 2 reads. Your explanations on Z-Bo were sincere and at some points compelling, and you were willing to admit you were backing off him a little.
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iamp, since when were you Hapa's lapdog? it's a bit pathetic.
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On October 25 2012 00:46 drazak wrote:
marv bro, where are your reads? you promised them in the morning, and you're not making good.
I promised them today, and I work Monday - Friday. Normally I am able to post reasonably often at work because every post only takes some minutes. The posts I need to require are not 5 minute jobs.
You hypocritical little nub.
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On October 25 2012 00:55 drazak wrote:
yeah man, ad hominem is certainly the answer, I was open with my reads when people asked me, try again please.
No, you were absent for long periods and you're now chasing me for something which is yet to come, and will come.
But I'll deal with you later.
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Hokay I'm home. Proper post coming in however long it takes me to research it properly and write it.
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