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On October 25 2012 10:22 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone want to comment on marv outing ZB as his scum buddy? DarthPunk for tabloid headline writer of the year. Yes, you are correct. Marv didn't hammer v7. I don't think you canshould take things as far as you did though.
The hammer into followup play of Z-BosoN gives me a sizeable town read on him. It's going to take a lot more than "marv made a mistake for this reason and not that reason" to get me on board with scumZ-BosoN.
Where are you on drazak right now?
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On October 25 2012 10:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:29 austinmcc wrote:On October 25 2012 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Austin I'm curious - have you ever played a scum game? Aperture 2 is the only scum game I've played. Ruined my streak of townieness. Oh fuck you were scum in that game? Well shit that terrifies me. Will have to look into that.
Once you read it, you won't be so terrified, lol.
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On October 25 2012 10:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:29 austinmcc wrote:On October 25 2012 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Austin I'm curious - have you ever played a scum game? Aperture 2 is the only scum game I've played. Ruined my streak of townieness. Oh fuck you were scum in that game? Well shit that terrifies me. Will have to look into that.
I looked back through it a bit, and its just hard to draw parallels because of how different the setup was, but one huge difference that I remember: while austin's scumbuddy iamperfection was being wagoned on day1, austin spent a ton of time making cases on other people and trying to round up support for a counterwagon, which he never got. Pretty starkly different from marv dying, here.
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On October 25 2012 10:32 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:22 austinmcc wrote:On October 25 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone want to comment on marv outing ZB as his scum buddy? DarthPunk for tabloid headline writer of the year. Yes, you are correct. Marv didn't hammer v7. I don't think you canshould take things as far as you did though. The hammer into followup play of Z-BosoN gives me a sizeable town read on him. It's going to take a lot more than "marv made a mistake for this reason and not that reason" to get me on board with scumZ-BosoN. Where are you on drazak right now?
Probably not scum. But this is subject to change depending on the outcome of certain things.
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I find scum austin to be unlikely. He says he is going to hammer soon and marv freaking kills himself.
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Yeah my first impressions of austin's play is actions around the marv lynch were really townie. He was really indecisive like I'd expect a townie to be when reading a meta case he's not comfortable with.
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Hapa, a thought for later. You found marv's scumreads to be awful because he chose his attacker and "lynch-bait."
Now that you KNOW marv is scum, 100%, do you think he's the sort of person to strategize with that post? If he knows he's going down 100%, how does he structure his town/scum reads to best help his buddy?
I cannot step around the thought that if he's scumbuddies with drazak then putting drazak as a scum read is the best play. scummarv gave a read on drazak, who feels mislynchable, therefore we don't trust that and we go lynch other players. You can argue that marv was choosing the player he thought most likely to get lynched instead of him, but it was late enough that momentum was swinging so hard against marv, there was no way things were going to swing to drazak based off marv's post.
Since you're now stuck being the knower-of-things-marv in thread, with real-marv gone, do you have any thoughts on how he'd play out those reads and does my thought above make sense to you?
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On October 25 2012 10:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 09:15 austinmcc wrote:
Z-Bo and DP (as noted ^) haven't been active since marv posted, I'm holding off to give them a chance to speak their minds if there's anything crazy they want to say.
Otherwise, I'm willing to hammer. I live in australia. I was asleep :/ but GJ
i knew this lame as excuse was familiar
On October 18 2012 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 06:23 iamperfection wrote:On October 18 2012 06:19 risk.nuke wrote:
No, Please let it be me. what you think of darth punk and zbos guys that have had a lot of activity and now all of sudden seem to have disappeared today. Maybe like a rational human being he thinks I live in australia and only just woke up.
Guess the alignment
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I dont think a town player should assume he is going to live and his remark here instantly reminded me of liquid city. Even if its true it has the same tone and feel as liquid city.
I think dp is the final scum.
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Austin: you 100% ignore everything marv said about Drazak and decide if he's lynchable for the things hes done on his own.
WIFOM wars about shit like that isn't going to help anything.
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On October 25 2012 10:45 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:01 DarthPunk wrote:On October 25 2012 09:15 austinmcc wrote:
Z-Bo and DP (as noted ^) haven't been active since marv posted, I'm holding off to give them a chance to speak their minds if there's anything crazy they want to say.
Otherwise, I'm willing to hammer. I live in australia. I was asleep :/ but GJ i knew this lame as excuse was familiar Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 06:23 iamperfection wrote:On October 18 2012 06:19 risk.nuke wrote:
No, Please let it be me. what you think of darth punk and zbos guys that have had a lot of activity and now all of sudden seem to have disappeared today. Maybe like a rational human being he thinks I live in australia and only just woke up. Guess the alignment + Show Spoiler +I dont think a town player should assume he is going to live and his remark here instantly reminded me of liquid city. Even if its true it has the same tone and feel as liquid city. I think dp is the final scum.
##vote iamperfection
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On October 25 2012 10:45 Keirathi wrote:
Austin: you 100% ignore everything marv said about Drazak and decide if he's lynchable for the things hes done on his own.
WIFOM wars about shit like that isn't going to help anything.
You can see my thoughts on drazak last night and also today. You can see me poking at him and trying to figure things out.
Yes, that last post is WIFOM-heavy, but I'm not going to push a lynch based on "marv had drazak as scumread gogogogo." But it's something to consider.
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On October 25 2012 10:46 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:45 iamperfection wrote:On October 25 2012 10:01 DarthPunk wrote:On October 25 2012 09:15 austinmcc wrote:
Z-Bo and DP (as noted ^) haven't been active since marv posted, I'm holding off to give them a chance to speak their minds if there's anything crazy they want to say.
Otherwise, I'm willing to hammer. I live in australia. I was asleep :/ but GJ i knew this lame as excuse was familiar On October 18 2012 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 06:23 iamperfection wrote:On October 18 2012 06:19 risk.nuke wrote:
No, Please let it be me. what you think of darth punk and zbos guys that have had a lot of activity and now all of sudden seem to have disappeared today. Maybe like a rational human being he thinks I live in australia and only just woke up. Guess the alignment + Show Spoiler +I dont think a town player should assume he is going to live and his remark here instantly reminded me of liquid city. Even if its true it has the same tone and feel as liquid city. I think dp is the final scum. ##vote iamperfection
wat
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I think it's a WIFOM bomb really. I don't want to know how many layers he went down there. My gut reaction is that Draz is not scum though, both on my meta read and that marv was really seriously trying to defend himself (and presumably get someone else lynched, like Draz).
On the subject of marv, that's one of the reasons I think Kei is town. Marv will bus for two reasons as scum:
1) as a calculated risk (i.e. with townie support against the bus) - This is like his bus of Node early in Liquid City
2) liabilities to his team (usually later in the game) - like Talismania in Normal Mini III
He was very aggressively pursuing Kei on D1 and was his top lynch target for a while. I can't see him doing this to his only other scum member (given what I know about marv anyway). Kei was neither a liability, nor a calculated risk at this point (since there was much suspicion on him for his 99.9% comment).
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Anyways, on a serious note:
On October 25 2012 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
gg.
didn't have the heart for it this game and knew i was playing awfully but could do nothing about it.
wish i hadn't bothered defending myself though, what a waste of my time.
##Vote: marvellosity
Marv seems to have known he was going to be lynched, or at least come damn close to being lynched, for quite some time. I feel like one of the people on his vote is probably scum, bussing for that bit of town cred. iamp and drazak both jumped on with weak explanations, so they're who I'm particularly interested in right now.
ZB as an outside shot 3rd option.
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On October 25 2012 10:49 Keirathi wrote:Anyways, on a serious note: Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
gg.
didn't have the heart for it this game and knew i was playing awfully but could do nothing about it.
wish i hadn't bothered defending myself though, what a waste of my time.
##Vote: marvellosity Marv seems to have known he was going to be lynched, or at least come damn close to being lynched, for quite some time. I feel like one of the people on his vote is probably scum, bussing for that bit of town cred. iamp and drazak both jumped on with weak explanations, so they're who I'm particularly interested in right now. ZB as an outside shot 3rd option.
All 3 of those options were on the v7 lynch as well, along with marv.
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What? I'd have to have been jumping on really quick to the bus, I was the first vote after hapa. Besides, based on everything Ihear about marv, I'd think he'd be more likely to bus me than get bussed himself.
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On October 25 2012 10:52 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:49 Keirathi wrote:Anyways, on a serious note: On October 25 2012 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
gg.
didn't have the heart for it this game and knew i was playing awfully but could do nothing about it.
wish i hadn't bothered defending myself though, what a waste of my time.
##Vote: marvellosity Marv seems to have known he was going to be lynched, or at least come damn close to being lynched, for quite some time. I feel like one of the people on his vote is probably scum, bussing for that bit of town cred. iamp and drazak both jumped on with weak explanations, so they're who I'm particularly interested in right now. ZB as an outside shot 3rd option. All 3 of those options were on the v7 lynch as well, along with marv.
That looks like I'm vaguely egging someone on.
I still don't think Z-BosoN is scum. But I do like the thought process here (Especially because it turns up drazak as an option).
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so here are my current thoughts
Hapa - Town
Austin - Town
Keir - Town
Drazak - Probably town Aww fuck it. I was already stupid enough to mention this when it was so WTF I didn't believe it. It's in my filter like a retard. Anyway I think this guy is the medic and his crumb was really weird looking so I pushed him on it and then realised what I was looking at. My bad.
Myself - Town
That leaves Iamp and ZB as scum candidates in my mind.
Both have pretty good cases against them already (Perfection not so much but he has been acting generally scummy)
ZB there was a lot of discussion on before. His meta etc. Which still stands as far as I am concerned. People's town reads of him have been based on activity and that's about it. He was still my number one read before the hapa case and with Draz probably townie He is the My largest scum read by far. He was the only one aside from myself who didn't vote marv. I was asleep. I don't know what ZB's excuse is.
Add to that he preaches caution and reading when telling everyone to delay on hammering marv. And then throws caution to the wind and says he is going to tunnel his previous solid town read for no fucking reason. In his very next post.
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On October 25 2012 10:53 drazak wrote:
What? I'd have to have been jumping on really quick to the bus, I was the first vote after hapa. Besides, based on everything Ihear about marv, I'd think he'd be more likely to bus me than get bussed himself.
After my thoughts + Hapa's case, marv was in a really bad spot. There really was very little chance he was coming back from that, tbh, unless he was actually town. Scum marv was caught.
It would have made sense for him to say in scum QT: "Bus me now. I'm dead."
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